Xylthixlm wrote:You know, just before I answered roflcopter's post, I was thinking about how hard Shinnen_no_Me had fought against concentrating fire. I remembered that some other people had taken the same stance... and lo, one of them is Kinetic.
Whoa Bullshit? I've been catching up, but this is the biggest load of bullshit that I've read yet.
I supported SPREADING OUT DAMAGE day 1. Really. That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I supported.
Hell, quoted in your OWN POST TO NAIL ME TO THIS is the opposite of this....
Kinetic wrote:By making sure we're not spreading damage we can make it so rage dumps are few and far between. [...]
By making sure we are NOT SPREADING DAMAGE!!!! READ THAT AGAIN. IT IS the DIRECT opposite of your claim against me. I don't even need to go back and re-read myself to find what I know is obvious and prove it. You've done it for me.
I'm starting to think the rest of this wagon might be bullshit too.
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As for Fonz: You're trying to nail hypocrisy to me. Not so much. You're comparing early day one mind frame against my current mind frame. Some things have changed in my mind since then. I used to hate macaroni and cheese when I was 11, now I love it.
Is it hypocrisy that my thoughts and feelings have changed and evolved over time to something else? If I made a dramatic change, that might be hypocrisy, but that isn't how it is.
Plus, my feelings haven't changed as drastically as you've indicated.
The Fonz wrote:We have had two players today hurt a previously injured player with no support. Kinetic and Zwet. Kinetic looks like an enormous hypocrite to me for this, since Kinetic is second only to Tajo in counselling about the dangers of 'just hurting who you think is scum.' I want to know why Tajo, if he really is opposed to 'random damage' is ignoring this.
I've been pushing for Viq for a while. My scumdar has pretty much locked in on him. I looked over the list of people who were "already hurt", and I found Viq scummier than all of them. I have said this multiple times, since 'Day 1'. I still find him enormously scummy.
The fact is though, that on and off I've had support from other players for this, but it has wavered a little bit. It got to the point where I felt that the scumdar of certain players (rofl, yourself, ABR) I felt might not be as strong as the three of you are feeling.
Don't forget, I was on the Shinnen lynched very early, and it wasn't until my hurt that it became a landslide to lynch, and pushed it with all of you, just as much, if not more. You all took enormous credit for the lynch, but for the most part I stepped back and started looking for another scum. You all locked onto Hoopla and quick-lynched him. I didn't step in and say anything because I wasn't sure on Hoopla.
If he came up scum, I would have thought one of two things. Either A) You three were REALLY on your games, and I'd be watching. or B) One or more of you are scum lynching buddies for town cred.
Since he came up town I think one of two things has happened, either A) You're town and just in the euphoria of a good lynch you trusted your instincts too much and over extended, or B) One or more of you is scum and are thinking since you've lynched a scum you have enough cred to push through a couple mislynches and not have to worry about how it makes you look.
Based on the way ALL THREE of you reacted after the Shinnen lynch, since the Hoopla lynch I have felt maybe one of you could be scum. I'm still unsure though. DGB had brought up some interesting points on ABR, but at the same time this is not the DGB I'm used to seeing. The problem with that is most games I've played with DGB have been when she is scum. So seeing a different side of her may indicate townie-ness...
Another thing I have noticed about town lead mis-lynches, they don't give very much information. The less people who hurt someone, the more the scum can hide away from mis-lynches. Hell, Hoopla was killed before I even cool downed from my last hurt on Shinnen. That was quick.
Anyway, I still intend to continue against Viq. It is important to me to see if my own scumdar is off or not right now.
I'm sure if Viq will come up scum some people will say it is a bus (maybe that is what this is setting up for now). I'm sure if viq comes up town I'm going to be pushed toward lynch (maybe that is what is being set up now).
I don't know what the case against me is coming from and why it is being picked up like it is. But I am town and I know tha I feel ViQ is scum. So before I'm killed I'm going to push for his death.
Bleh this is a long post, and I've had a difficult last day or two, so I'm sure I should re-read this and edit it, but I'm too damn tired.
