Ok, now back to my main point. What made roflcopter such a prime target for scum? The first thing rofl did was want to vote empking.
Roflcopter's posts (at least some of them which may be useful).
Post 12:
so lets lynch empking today guys
vote: empking
the next time he posted wasn't until post 60 (after emp had 5 votes, and millar had three).
cephrir wrote:
2. It's not really a good idea to point out who you think is protown, IMO.
you are wrong. and in this setup, its especially a good idea to say who you think is pro town. if enough townspeople agree on the same person being town, it almost forces the mafia's nightkill, because there is zero chance of that person being mislynched. and hey, look what the only power role we have is?
empirical evidence for why stating your opinions on who is town is a good thing: crackers! mafia
if emp is scum, either giuseppe or zwets is his partner
lets hurry up and lynch the guy
Note: he accused empking as scum, and Hos'ed zwet and giuseppe (giuseppe has more evidence on him at this point in time).
Post #62:
by the way, this lynch isn't just because empking displays a pattern of being a particularly hard headed and useless player.
this:
Empking wrote:
Vote: Grimmy - For self-voting.
is a cop out, and something that is more likely to come from scum than from town. therefore, emp has a higher than random chance of being scum, making him a good lynch.
note: Providing actual evidence against empking. Backing his vote up.
Post #65:
grimmy and zachrules are town
yes, millar, you are also more likely than random to be scum, you would be my second choice for a lynch today, but i think empking is a better lynch, and i'm hopeful that i won't have to compromise
Note: Aknowledges millar's actions. Decides that he is just being random, and still persists with empking. Furthermore, declares two people as town faction.
Post #69:
grimmy because self voting comes from town much more often than scum in my experience, and because both of the people who voted him were really scummy and opportunistic
zachrules is a gut read
note:He believes that the people who voted millar were scum. Also makes his belief that zach is town faction now has no real evidence.
Post #76:
look at it this way - self voting, in the current meta environment, draws a shitload of negative attention. there will always be somebody willing to vote you just for doing it. mafia don't want any attention drawn to them, let alone negative attention, especially in a setup like this where the best thing mafia could do is blend into the background because there aren't any investigative roles to suddenly out them. therefore, self voting is not something i expect to come from mafia in this game.
sure, in future games enough people could pick up on this fact and the meta could shift, but in this instance i am willing to totally write grimmy off as a suspect based on his self vote and the reaction to it from empking and millar.
note: asserts that people who self-vote are town, backing his claim that grimmy is town faction. And that people who didn't do anything about the self-lynch are probably scum. not really clear on if he accuses empking or millar.
Post #77:
millar13 wrote:
Quote:
roflcopter
"because both of the people who voted him were really scummy and opportunistic"
Can I just say, that I don't think two mafia members would actually vote like that. And directly piggy back the other....wouldn't be the wiser move.
However, townies often piggy back each other.
Scum not so much.
which is why i didn't list you as a likely empking partner
Note: still thinks empking is scum, but doesnt believe that millar is his scum buddy.
Post #79:
giuseppe wrote:
Any real reason you're setting me and Zwet up to be lynched? I hardly say that stopping a quick lynch of Empking qualifies as defending him overtly. Let him actually have a chance to be scummy before you lynch him, at the very least.
setting you up to be lynched implies that i stated i would bet you are scum regardless of what emp turns out to be, which is not true. my phrasing was deliberately conditional, because you are overtly defending emp and directly trying to stall his lynch, which is what i expect to see from a scumpartner in a two man scumteam.
zwets on the other hand joined the wagon, but suddenly lost his nerve for it when it hit lynch minus one, which, based on meta, is very unlike him, so it reads like he was distancing from emp.
Note: still pressing that emp is actually scum, no meta involved. Asserts that giuseppe is his likely partner, due to him defending empking. The post right after, millar claims scum, and giuseppe says:
Vote: Millar13
Don't claim scum if you don't mean it. Lynch all scum, lynch all liars.
Back to the rofl posts:
Post #83: (on the subject of giuseppe defending emp):
this is not what i accused you of, and this is not what you're doing. you're not backing out on any lynch, you're actively trying to prevent a lynch..........he has posted enough to get a read on him, his vote was not random, so it has bearing on his alignment. if town, you shouldn't out and out defend a player, especially based on so little, because if he is scum you're doing the town a great disservice by setting up your own future lynch.
then he switches to millar is post 84....then in post 88, back to empking....and post #90:
i am willing to lynch either empking or millar today
Post #101:
Giuseppe wrote:
roflcopter wrote:
Giuseppe wrote:
By your logic, if Empking comes up scum, I can't be town. Which couldn't be true, from my perspective, because I am a pro-town player. Thus, if I'm to agree with you, Empking must be town.
please show me where i said if empking comes up scum you CAN'T be town
oh, wait, that didn't happen
your point fails
So, what was your initial point in setting all that up? If you're going to assert that I'm scum if Emp is scum, at least be absolutely convinced...
my point was that you are VERY LIKELY to be scum if emp is scum.
zwets is also LIKELY to be scum in this case. i was stating my belief that if we lynch emp-scum, the final scum is one of you two. that is all.
your level of concern with my interest in you is far disproportionate to what i was actually saying, since it wouldn't even matter if emp were to come up town.
its almost like you know that emp won't come up town, and that if we lynch emp today you're totally, unconditionally fucked
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Note: pressing for emp vote to find if giuseppe is buddy.Also accuses zwet. points out that giuseppe feels pressured by rofl, and gets worried and acts out just a little too much.
i say everything i suspect when i suspect it, rather than possibly taking it to the grave with me
Note: Yays!
post 110:
piggybacking emp's vote on grimmy and then trying to argue with no basis that such an action is unlikely to come from scum, defending with appeal to emotion, attacking with burden of proficiency, and oh yeah, claiming scum
we're lynching millar today
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note: thought millar was scum.
Alright, this post is getting way too long with the post, so im gunna cut it short here and summarize it as best I can. Rofl was pointing the gun at emp, then identified giiuseppe and zwet as scum buddies. Giuseppe gets nervous and starts counterattacking.
Rofl was on to something, I believe that this was the reason that the scum killed him. This, along with Dejkha's massive post, seems like a good enough reason to think that giuseppe is scum.
Vote: Giuseppe
