War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[populartajo]

/Im here flying over your heads.

[populartajo]

Wow, so many people and I only recognize zwet.

Don't worry, half the people I recognize -which make half the player list- I wish I didn't know so I could start over with a blank slate.

Who are you?

[populartajo]

Cybele beat me to it. Rage points. Last time I forgot and it lost the game for town.
Some things you should know.

1. Scum have rage points. After some days scum can acquire additional secret damage. That punishes town for not getting a quick consensus and for dragging the game too long.

2. There are fallen angels that mirror our current roles. There is a Fallen Arel, a Fallen Seraph etc. You get the idea.

3. I was an Ophan (aka tracker) in the last game and trust me it was very hard to spot any action, since the only possible actions you could get is another Ophan watching someone or some random scum using rage points. There could possibly be a Fallen Ophan in this game, too. You know that you cant hurt/heal after you use your ability, so dont be too obvious.

4. As it is easily inferred, the Cherubs were the vanillas of the game.

Here is the distribution in the previous mini-game.

In Memoriam (9):
Coron, a loyal Cherub, was cast out during the first Æon.
populartajo, a loyal Ophan, was killed in the second Æon.
Max, a loyal Cherub, was killed during the third Æon.
kabenon007, a loyal Cherub, was driven out during the fifth Æon.
Musher333, a loyal Arel, was cast out during the sixth Æon.
Firestarter, a loyal Cherub, was driven out during the seventh Æon.
Mellowed Man, a loyal Ophan, was killed in the eighth Æon.
q21, a loyal Cherub, was driven out during the ninth Æon.
goborage, a loyal Seraph, was killed in the tenth and final Æon.

Vis Vires (3):
vIQleS, a Fallen Arel
pojedinac, Fallen Seraph
Natirasha, a Fallen Cherub, was cast out during the fourth Æon.

[populartajo]

Oh and here is the scum PM from the other game

In addition to your usual powers, the force of your betrayal and anger give you strength. Every Sunday at noon (server time), you will receive 1 Rage Point that you may use in a secret attack by PMing me with a player's name. This damage will be reflected in the next damage tally, but not associated with your name. You may store them up, to a maximum of 3. If you are killed/cast out, you lose any remaining points.

You begin the game with 8 HP. You win if all loyal angels are killed, and at least one fallen angel survives. You may talk to your fellow (living) fallen angels outside of the game thread at any time, since this game is Nightless. If you are killed/cast out, stop talking.

[populartajo]

Finally.

OK First off, don't be an idiot and hurt too quickly.

Kills/Lynches need to be decided before the first hurt. We cannot allow players to build up hurts, because especially in late game if we let this get out a hand it won't matter what sort of majority we have because without order the scum will win.

This game is less about majority and more about coordination. We need to coordinate our actions or else we will be forced to react.

As it stands, I'd like to propose the first rule of this war: Heal anyone who is Hurt unless we have decided to lynch/kill them, much like Cybele has done.

Random/reactions need to be reigned in.

Second rule, you MUST be active. In this game where a coordinate assault by a minority can cause a kill the town MUST be active to prevent an active minority from taking this game.

Quick days will only HELP the scum, so I intend to draw out their intentions and actions and refuse to let them cause chaos and push the town into hasty actions.

This is not a game you can sit back and win. If you are not active, leave and be replaced now. I refuse to allow you to ruin it.

After all that has been said, do you still think this?

[populartajo]

Sorry for the fourth post but I think this is also important:
1. Town lost last time because town's HP were already low for random hurtings. I dont agree with random hurting but I also dont agree with long days (more rage points). We have to find a balance.
2. So I propose we do a mass healing of everyone to take them to one more point of their current HP before we start hurting. This could be beneficial someday.
3. We also could manage to have a fake votecount instead of having people hurting and/or healing. Like a normal game when someone is majority fake voted we could mass hurting him and "lynch" him.

[populartajo]

Everyone:

Whats wrong with a fake voting system?

I can keep up with the fake votecounts.
We treat this game as a normal game and we avoid hurting someone that could be town.

Vote : Kinetic.

[populartajo]

You are, again, trying to take advantage of future indecisive players. Don't you know how difficult it is to gain a consensus,

especially with 5-7 scum counter-acting us?

Stop trying to stall the game. If someone doesn't have an input, we carry on and kill off the scummy player without them. We don't have all day to wait for sporadically active players to weigh in.

ABR, I think you're being particularly harsh considering how early we are in game. Discussing our options and the possibilities of the game isn't a bad thing - infact we'd probably stupid not too. I think most of us don't really know what to expect yet, or the ideal approach - don't create arguments just for the sake of it.

The last game only had 3 scum, and they happened to win convincingly, I don't think 5-7 is a reasonable figure.

The last game was totally lost for MM's fault.
Also, its safe to assume that scum have rage points or a secret way to deal with confirmed townies. Rage points is the most logical conclusion since they have been used in the only two games.
Actually I like the way ABR is playing the game.

[populartajo]

Votecount.

Kinetic. 2(Tajo, ABR)
Hoopla 1(q21)

Not voting 17 (Cybele, Drench, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Hoopla, Juls, Kinetic, Nuwen, roflcopter, Seraphim,Shinnen_no_Me,Tenchi,The Fonz,vIQleS,WaltWishbone,Xylthixlm,zwetschenwasser)

Kinetic why did you heal ABR? Heal someone else, plz.

[populartajo]

Kinetic why did you heal ABR? Heal someone else, plz.

Even though it won't do anything, I think it still counts - if so, then there is a 24 hour recharge wait.

I think it fizzles.

Flay, Tally?

[populartajo]

healing everyone to one above starting hit points seems like its just going to drag this day out. didn't we already establish that long days in this game are extra bad for the town?

hurt: kinetic

die fallen angel scum die

NO, NO, NO.
Rabbit, read the thread before doing retarded stuff.
The recharge is 24 hours, I dont think a first mass-healing is going to drag the day.
Town lost the other games because people like you started hurting other people, never healed them and scum distributed rage points to finish them off.
If you think Kinetic is scum, VOTE FOR HIM. If there is a reasonable consensus, we start hurting him like crazy.

[populartajo]

Heal : q21.

[populartajo]

Normally Id agree with rolf you but this game is different.
EVERYBODY READ THIS.
If everybody acted like you, rolf, we would have everyone at -4HP at day 3 with rage points ready to finish the loyal part of the angels.
Hurting/healing in a disorganized way is not the way to go.
Voting fits the same objective. You think someone is scum. You vote that person. You change your mind. You unvote. You think someone else is scummier, you vote again.
If we change the word

vote

with the word

hurt

we achieve the same thing but we dont help scum with this retarded "hurting someone I think is scum"..
Topping everybody (24 hours recharge) is not a waste of time and could be helpful.
HURTING WITH NO ORDER WAS THE REASON WHY TOWN LOST THE FUCKING GAME LAST TIME.

[populartajo]

Votecount.

Kinetic. 4(Tajo, ABR, Shinnen, Cybele, )
Rolf 1 (Hoopla)
Xyl 1 (viqles)
Hoopla 1(q21)

Not voting 13 (Drench, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Juls, Kinetic, Nuwen, roflcopter, Seraphim,Tenchi,The Fonz,WaltWishbone,Xylthixlm,zwetschenwasser)

Lurker count 6 (Drench, Giuseppe, Fonz, Waltwishbone, zwet (WTF?)

[populartajo]

hoopla is also scum...

people voting xyl should get over it because he's clearly town. abr is town too.

I really don't like people who make definitive statements like these - especially if there's no way that they could have any info.

If you have suspicions, then present your argument. If you don't think people are convinced, then present it again - expand and clarify. Just repeating declaritive statements does not further the game...

FOS:copter

Acyually, whats wrong with making definitve statements? We know that town has no additional info. There are some actions that tell you that someone is more prob town or more prob scum. Or gut. I usually play like that.

[populartajo]

Acyually, whats wrong with making definitve statements?

We know that town has no additional info

. There are some actions that tell you that someone is more prob town or more prob scum. Or gut. I usually play like that.

This is the point completely. Unless people are fishing for reactions, claiming definitives is something only scum can truthfully do.

No. Ive done this as town a million of times and it has worked. The idea is to start clearing people from your point of view and pressuring the people you simple dont like.

[populartajo]

Here is a list already in page 6.

Prob Town

ABR
Rolf
Cybele
q21
Seraph

Neutral

DGB
Tenchi
Xyl
The rest.

Prob scum

Hoopla
Viqles
Shinnen
Kinetic

[populartajo]

Acyually, whats wrong with making definitve statements?

We know that town has no additional info

. There are some actions that tell you that someone is more prob town or more prob scum. Or gut. I usually play like that.

This is the point completely. Unless people are fishing for reactions, claiming definitives is something only scum can truthfully do.

No. Ive done this as town a million of times and it has worked.

The idea is to start clearing people from your point of view and pressuring the people you simple dont like.

I would probably consider myself a gut player too - but a fundamental part of mafia is the ability to quantify your gut into plausible arguments, and persuade others. 'Hurrrrr durrrrr, ur scum !!!!1' type posts that merely offer a definitive statement backed up by nothing are only good for slandering smear campaigns.

As for the part I've bolded - I think that's a dangerous way to approach an early game scenario when there is

no

information available - it's the first step toward tunnel-vision.

You may have a point. But as you say its too early with not much information available. As the game progresses Ill confirm my thoughts or correct them. This means that I can change my mind about people.

[populartajo]

Votecount.

Kinetic. 5(Tajo, ABR, Shinnen, Cybele, rolf)
Rolf 2 (Hoopla, Tenchi)
Xyl 2 (viqles, zwet)
Hoopla 2(q21, Tenchi)
Viqles 1 (ABR, Kinetic)
Cybele 1 (Kinetic)

Not voting 10 (Drench, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Juls, Nuwen, roflcopter, Seraphim,The Fonz,WaltWishbone,Xylthixlm,)

Lurker count 3 (Drench, Giuseppe, Fonz)

[populartajo]

This game is pretty much vanilla nightless with a strange voting mechanic. As long as we don't bring people down to low HP without killing them, or take so long that the scum get enough "rage points" to kill someone with lots of HP, the town can completely control the order people die in. Vanilla nightless is usually biased towards the town; there's no reason we should lose.

It looks like the once-per-24-hours limit isn't enough to seriously slow down the speed at which the town can kill people, but if there are a lot of people sitting around doing nothing or (even worse) healing everyone who gets hurt, it might be a problem. Automatic healing is a

horrible

idea and will just slow the game down, which gives the scum an advantage.

While I'm at it,

Hurt: Juls

Xylthixlm draws his shiny golden Hammer of Justice. He waits until Juls's back is turned, then flies up and bops him over the head. SQUEAK!

Why Juls?
Also why did you choose to ignore what Ive been posting so far?
Prove how automatic healing is more advantageous for scum than for town.

[populartajo]

@Kinetic: of all possible candidats, why did you choose to heal ABR?
I told you to heal someone else.

[populartajo]

Fonz, rolf and Xyl

WHATS SO FUCKING WRONG WITH TREATING THIS GAME AS NORMAL GAME WITH VOTING INSTEAD OF HURTING?

We dont random hurt anyone that could be town and we dont start healing him when its too late and you realize, omg he could be town.
General consensus in votes(number required for a lynch) = massive hurting. Nobody heals anyone besides the mass healing I proposed earlier.

You wanna know something? Read the other game. There were people like you. People like you were the reason why town lost the game the other time. RANDOM HURTING IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS?

[populartajo]

Now start scumhunting like your other games. Its not different.

Vote : Shinnen.

Die scum die.

[populartajo]

I wouldnt call them obv town or obv scum. Kinetic is kinda right that is a valid strategy for scum to appear agressive.
In all scenarios they are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game.

[populartajo]

WHATS SO FUCKING WRONG WITH TREATING THIS GAME AS NORMAL GAME WITH VOTING INSTEAD OF HURTING?
We dont random hurt anyone that could be town and we dont start healing him when its too late and you realize, omg he could be town.
General consensus in votes(number required for a lynch) = massive hurting. Nobody heals anyone besides the mass healing I proposed earlier.
You wanna know something? Read the other game. There were people like you. People like you were the reason why town lost the game the other time. RANDOM HURTING IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS?

[populartajo]

Next people that hurts anyone for whatever stupid reason should be hurted to death.

[populartajo]

It should be noted that DGB, ABR, and rofl are all attacking different players despite the numerous calls for town consensus.

Remember that by hurting a player, you are endorsing their death. Unlike votes, which can be taken back, health is not so easily replenished.

waaaa

more seraphim hurts plz

Seraphim is town, duh.

[populartajo]

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
In all scenarios PEOPLE HURTING WHOEVER THINK THEY ARE SCUM are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game
THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE USED THE VOTING SYSYEM

[populartajo]

The alpaca speaks the truth.

Oh Yeah? And why did you hurt someone else?

Vote: DGB.

[populartajo]

Votecount.

10 to massive hurting

Rolf 4 (Hoopla, Tenchi, Shinen, Nuwen)
Xyl 4 (viqles, zwet, Drench, Juls)
Shinnen 3 (Fonz, Tajo, ABR
Kinetic. 3(Shinnen, Cybele, rolf)
Hoopla 1(Tenchi)
Viqles 2 (Kinetic, Nuwen)
Cybele 1 (Kinetic)
ABR 2 (Hoopla, q21
Walwishbone 2 (Xyl, DGB)
Seraphim 1 (rolf,

Not voting 4 (Giuseppe, Seraphim,The Fonz,WaltWishbone)

Lurker count 1 (Giuseppe)

[populartajo]

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
In all scenarios PEOPLE HURTING WHOEVER THINK THEY ARE SCUM are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game
THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE USED THE VOTING SYSYEM

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
In all scenarios PEOPLE HURTING WHOEVER THINK THEY ARE SCUM are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game
THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE USED THE VOTING SYSYEM

Spread the word!

Hehehehe, good idea.

[populartajo]

Fixed Votecount.
10 to massive hurting

Rolf 4 (Hoopla, Tenchi, Shinen, Nuwen)
Xyl 4 (viqles, zwet, Drench, Juls)
Shinnen 3 (Fonz, Tajo, ABR
Kinetic. 3(Shinnen, Cybele, rolf)
Viqles 2 (Kinetic, Nuwen)
ABR 2 (Hoopla, q21)
Walwishbone 2 (Xyl, DGB) --> This case is retarded and I would expect more from DGB and Xyl.
Cybele 1 (Kinetic)
Seraphim 1 (rolf)
Hoopla 1(Tenchi)

Not voting 4 (Giuseppe, Seraphim,The Fonz,WaltWishbone)

Lurker count 1 (Giuseppe)

[populartajo]

Flay, tally please.

[populartajo]

Next people that hurts anyone for whatever stupid reason should be hurted to death.

No.

Im giving you IMPORTANT reasons to avoid this stupid "Ill hurt whoever I like" idea. Its DETRIMENTAL to town in the long game when we are going to have all people at L-2 and scum distributing rage points for winning the game. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
We should be in control of who gets hurt and healed. That means that we DONT hurt anyone until we reach majority. If you are town, you are giving scum the free pass to hurt anyone they like.

[populartajo]

I know that town loses if we dont get to fast decisions. (more rage points).
The voting system doesnt delay the game as it has the same power of a hurt but with no damage of possible townies. What I dont want is a hurt-fest. We need to be in control of the hurting. How do we do this?: with a voting system like any other game. Lycnh majority. Massive hurting.
Nobody else gets hurt. Nobody else heals anyone.
The scum want an sceneario of all people hurting each other and people with low HPs. I know that we can catch scum in the disorder but at this point of the game the odds are low as shit.
Really, is that so hard to understand?

[populartajo]

Kay. Replace voting with intent to hurt. Better?

[populartajo]

Fixed Votecount.
10 to massive hurting

I wouldn't wait that long. I'd rather have a deadline, and see who has the most votes by then. Getting a majority with 10 people usually ends up with a lynch that "everyone agrees with". And you know what happens when "everyone agrees"...

...Townies get lynched.

Let's agree on a deadline. Better if somebody does the math.

I agree with a deadline. 48 hours? Why is that? We know that scum possibly gets rage poitns after a week.
Also, if my calculations are right, scum can only

kill

someone (Ophan with 7 HPs) with rage points after 2 weeks. Assuming 4 scum, every scum gets 1 rage point every week.
If we control the random hurtings, scum wouldnt even have a chance to hurt secretly people since everyone but the current suspect would be at their toppings and we could heal everyone attempted to get hurt. They will have to waste all their rage points in someone to kill it.

[populartajo]

And while we argue about this stuff, I'm going to help DGB with WaltWishbone.

2 hours until I recharge.

Kay, Im talking to a wall here.

[populartajo]

Xyl, just a hint, not everyone can post as much as you do. What is the case on Walt again?

[populartajo]

Xyl, just a hint, not everyone can post as much as you do. What is the case on Walt again?

Every word he's written has been scummy and noncommittal.

With 1 post, wouldnt hurt to hear more about him, dont you think?
Thoughts about viqles, Shinnen, Kinetic and DGB?
I like your math. Doesnt mean that we should take hasted decisions.

[populartajo]

With 1 post, wouldnt hurt to hear more about him, dont you think?

If Walt is scum, we kill a scum.
If Walt is town, we kill someone who is slowing the game down.

Seems like win/win to me. And I think Walt has a pretty good chance of being scum.

Thoughts about viqles, Shinnen, Kinetic and DGB?

I haven't looked at Shinnen. Kinetic and DGB are both posting enough that I don't want them to die too early. vIQ is vaguely scummy but there are better people to kill.

Which is exactly my point.
I dont want this posterior scenario:
Oh, yeah, Shinnen is scummier than Walt. Lets start hurting her. Walt is already hurt. He could be scum but could be also town.
Rinse and repeat.
Final result : majority of people hurt. Scum smiling with their rage points.
BEFORE WE HURT, WE HAVE TO BE SURE OR GET A GENERAL CONSENSUS.
Voting Intent to hurt is the way to go. Vote someone else you think is scum. Show why he is scum. There are probs that townies get what you are saying and vote with you.

[populartajo]

OMG WLC!!! Welcome to the game, dude!

Updated scumlist

Town
Seprahim
ABR
q21
Cybele
Nuwen

Neutral
Walt
rolf
Xyl
Kinetic
Fonz
zwet
Juls
Drench
Giusepee
Hoopla

Scum
DGB
Tenchi
viqles
Shinne

Walt is at least neutral. I dont see the case on him nor the necessity to hurt him to death like Xyl is proposing.
I would like more from viqles and Shinnen. Tenchi is a bad feeling. DGB is scum, btw.

[populartajo]

xyl, seraphim first, then i'll help you with walt wishbone

the threat of a detailed, thought-out omgus looms over my head

YOU ARE NOT READING THE THREAD, RABBIT.

[populartajo]

Heal Seraphim

[populartajo]

Fixed Intent to hurt count.
10 to massive hurting

Rolf 5 (Hoopla, Tenchi, Shinen, Nuwen, Seraphim)
Xyl 4 (viqles, zwet, Drench, Juls)
Shinnen 3 (Fonz, Tajo, ABR)
Kinetic. 3(Shinnen, Cybele, rolf)
ABR 3 (Hoopla, q21, Shinen)
Viqles 2 (Kinetic, Nuwen)
Walwishbone 2 (Xyl, DGB)
WLC 1 (Kinetic)
Seraphim 1 (rolf)
Hoopla 1(Tenchi)

Not voting 3 (Giuseppe, The Fonz,WaltWishbone)

Lurker count 1 (Giuseppe)

[populartajo]

Walt is at least neutral. I dont see the case on him nor the necessity to hurt him to death like Xyl is proposing.

Someone needs to die first. Walt is not obvtown. What's the problem?

I dont see the case on him.
Id go with someone more obvious like viq or Shinnen. Maybe DGB.

[populartajo]

You are not making any sense, rolf.

[populartajo]

Oh, we can all play the same game of grouping people under groups without good bases (in your case, with no bases at all):

Scumgroup: rofl, tajo, xyl, abr.

I find it funny that you (rofl) say that Seraphim doesn't give reasons for saying which players he want dead/find scummy, yet you do the same thing. Hypocrite. I don't like people who point out things in other players, while they are doing the same under lame excuses.

Im actually interested in why I AM in this list?

[populartajo]

THANK YOU FONZ AND OTHERS THAT DONT SUPPORT Y WAY OF THINKING.
FUCK YOU ALL.
IF YOU ARE TOWN THEN YOU TOOK THE MOST RETARDED DECISION AND SCUM ARE RIGHT NOW LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF.
DID I TELL YOU WHY TOWN LOST THE OTHER GAME?

[populartajo]

ALSO, FOR THE RECORD, MY PLAN IS NOT SYNONIMUS OF LAGGING THE GAME. I DONT KNOW WHO FUCKTARD THINKS THIS. I AGREE WITH DEADLINES.
WHAT I DONT AGREE IS THAT EVERYONE CAN HURT WHOEVER THEY THINK IS SCUM. HURT FEST ONLY BENEFITS SCUM.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
THE VOTING SYSTEM IS A WAY TO ESTABLISH WHO THE TOWN SHOULD HURT. ITS NOT STALLING THE GAME.
THE HEALING AT THE BEGINNING WAS NOT A STRATEGY OF STALLING THE GAME. ITS A STRATEGY OF TOPPING THE HPS OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS WHICH WE KNOW ARE TOWN. WHO BENEFITS MORE OF HAVING MORE HPS: 4-5 SCUM OR 15-16 TOWNIES?
FONZ AND SUPPORTER ARE EITHER RETARDED OR ARE OBVSCUM GOING AGAINST A`PLAN THAT GIVES TOWN THE CONTROL OF THE GAME.

[populartajo]

You've presented your opinion on why town lost many times, you miserable self-centred piece of shit. That doesn't change the fact that you're wrong, and your plan is incredibly scum-benefitting because it will slow the game down and allow the scum to rack up more rage points.

I REPEAT FOR THE HARD OF THINKING: TAJO'S PLAN = HANDING THE GAME TO SCUM.

I am SO fucking angry right now.

HAHAHA. DONT GET ANGRY. THIS IS A GAME.
Tell me in few words how my plan slows the game?
Also show me why "slowing the game" trying to get town consensus is more detrimental to the town than any random fucktard (who could be scum) hurting whomever they think.

[populartajo]

I dont need to remind Fonz who was right the last time we played together...
Whatever. I really dont understand why my ideas are benefiting the scum when Im giving BIG arguments why town lost the other game. DAMAGE ANARCHY. Saying that only scum would agree with my plan is a something I totally disagree. Scum actually want what is happening right now:

everyone is hurting whomever they want to hurt

. There is obvscum hiding in this agressive stance but hey if you are blind I cant give you more eyes than you deserve.
Actually, the only flaw in my plan is that it needs everyone to cooperate but yeah that is never going to happen...

[populartajo]

NEXT PLAYER TO HURT A PLAYER WHO IS NOT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: XYL, ROFL, SHINNEN, ZWET, WALTWISHBONE, OR HOOPLA WILL BE KILLED.

Finally, some order in this mess.

We have more than 25% of the town under normal HP. Can we please try to not let that happen again in the future?

Try to convince the tard townies and scum hiding in this aggressive stance.

[populartajo]

XYL, ROFL, SHINNEN, ZWET, WALTWISHBONE, OR HOOPLA

Maybe we could do a intent to hurt count and analyse the wagons.

Intent to hurt Votecount.

Xyl
Rolf
Shinnen 1 (Tajo)
Zwet
Walt
Hoopla

Intent to hurt : Shinnen.

[populartajo]

So, Rolf and Shinnen are proven Seraphs?
Ok, this has happened before. If there is another Seraph in the game its time to claim now, since THERE HAS to be a Scum Seraph.

Hurt : Shinnen.

Too soon. Flay
If nobody else claims and Shinnen comes up town (which I doubt but still possible) rolf has to be the next one to go.

[populartajo]

I dont need to remind Fonz who was right the last time we played together...
Whatever. I really dont understand why my ideas are benefiting the scum when Im giving BIG arguments why town lost the other game. DAMAGE ANARCHY. Saying that only scum would agree with my plan is a something I totally disagree. Scum actually want what is happening right now:

everyone is hurting whomever they want to hurt

. There is obvscum hiding in this agressive stance but hey if you are blind I cant give you more eyes than you deserve.
Actually, the only flaw in my plan is that it needs everyone to cooperate but yeah that is never going to happen...

tajo is still RAGING AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT instead of actually participating in this game. thats not exactly the pro-town sticking your neck out that fonz seems to think it is.

Shut up and start making sense.

[populartajo]

i endorse the killing of shinnen and then hoopla (and then i will reexamine my case on seraphim, then poptajo etc)

I support this motion.

Answer my question, kaythxbay.

[populartajo]

sorry tajo, let me stop your attempt to out any other town seraphs right there.

yes, this is a large game, so multiple town seraphs is possible right? but we're still working under the assumption that there is almost definitely a scum seraph. well, if you're an unclaimed town seraph, and you're reading this, weigh how likely it is that there are two other town seraphs in this game.

answer: not at all likely

so one of me and shin still has to be scum, and you don't have to claim at all. don't listen to tajoscum. no matter how many times he says "start making sense rofl" he's still a fallen angel.

What about if you are both Seraph town?
Calling me fallen angel until you dont have a voice, its not going to work, rabbit.

[populartajo]

DGB I doubt the scumbags have any rage points yet.

I don't know how the rage points work, but I can't take action for a fairly large number of hours. If I could, I would have healed roflcopter.

/facepalm.

[populartajo]

sorry tajo, let me stop your attempt to out any other town seraphs right there.

yes, this is a large game, so multiple town seraphs is possible right? but we're still working under the assumption that there is almost definitely a scum seraph. well, if you're an unclaimed town seraph, and you're reading this, weigh how likely it is that there are two other town seraphs in this game.

answer: not at all likely

so one of me and shin still has to be scum, and you don't have to claim at all. don't listen to tajoscum. no matter how many times he says "start making sense rofl" he's still a fallen angel.

What about if you are both Seraph town?
Calling me fallen angel until you dont have a voice, its not going to work, rabbit.

if we are both seraph town, then any other seraph is a seraph scum, and they're not going to claim right now anyway, they're gonna let us kill each other. you are not this stupid tajo, so stop trying to get any other town seraph to claim.

Thx for saying the scum seraph (if you both are not) the way to play right now. Really.

[populartajo]

you can always be an optimistic and hold out hope that all of the scumbags are as dumb as shinnen and hoopla have been so far

[populartajo]

tajo, shh, since you know who all your other scumbuddies are, you know that shinnen is the scum seraph, and you were just trying to get any other town seraphs out in the open.

i was giving you an out in case shinnen comes up town but hey not my problem anymore.

[populartajo]

Intent to Hurt counts at least give us information on who has an opinion on who.

OMG, did zwet just make sense?

[populartajo]

Intent to Hurt counts at least give us information on who has an opinion on who.

OMG, did zwet just make sense?

Yeah, it couldnt last that much...
Being an Ophanim doesnt mean obvtown, btw.

[populartajo]

this is the part where tajo does his best to undermine more power role claims

Ive said this before, so FAIL.

3. I was an Ophan (aka tracker) in the last game and trust me it was very hard to spot any action, since the only possible actions you could get is another Ophan watching someone or some random scum using rage points. There could possibly be a Fallen Ophan in this game, too. You know that you cant hurt/heal after you use your ability, so dont be too obvious.

[populartajo]

this is the part where tajo does his best to undermine more power role claims

Also, do I need to remind you how many times have you been wrongly tunnelvisioned on someone?

[populartajo]

this is just a general observation about the game of mafia, but has anyone else ever noticed that when scum are under an intense amount of pressure from one person, the first thing they do is yell OMG TUNNEL VISION

I dont need to bring the games where I have done this as town, do I?

[populartajo]

Flay, Tally?

[populartajo]

There is the possibility of secret damage, yes. That is what all the talk about rage points is about... -.-;

I didn't play the mini. I need to adjust to the mechanics.

Why did ABR ask me to hurt Shinnen to test whether I was telling the truth about my inability to inflict damage, if there's secret damage? I can be framed by secret damage. If he's able to inflict secret damage, then it would be really easy. No?

Please reread the game and come back with your typical scumhunting techniques.

[populartajo]

WOOT.

Heal : rolf.

This really puts viqles and some I need to reevaluate in a very bad position and confirms many players.

[populartajo]

Oh, we can all play the same game of grouping people under groups without good bases (in your case, with no bases at all):

Scumgroup: rofl, tajo, xyl, abr.

I find it funny that you (rofl) say that Seraphim doesn't give reasons for saying which players he want dead/find scummy, yet you do the same thing. Hypocrite. I don't like people who point out things in other players, while they are doing the same under lame excuses.

I could bet all my money that there is no scum in that list.

[populartajo]

Scumgroup: rofl, tajo, xyl, abr.

I could bet all my money that there is no scum in that list.

Funny, I would bet ABR is the scum. There's no way Shinnen didn't bother with distancing.

Considering how fast Shinnen become pressured it can be a possibility but I really dont think she bussed anyone in that list. It was totally unnecessary.
Goofball you are better than this. Time to reread the game.

[populartajo]

Actually, considering how early scummy and how inevitable was Shinnen lynch I think the majority of scum (2-3 mafiosi) bussed her (intensity depends of the meta of the player). The rest (1-2) prob had a neutral stance on her.

[populartajo]

I would take viqles into account too.
There is secret damage in the last tally? This could confirm if Shinnen used rage points and how many before her death.

[populartajo]

This discussion about who catched Shinnen first is laughable. Just for more polemic, I WAS the first to call her scum.

Using my scum detection powers Im damn sure that viqles has to be scum too. DGB should also be under heavy scrutiny. There are SO many people right now that I would call almost confirmed since Shinnen was obv newb scum.

Also, Seraphim, the player, dont get frustrated for listening to rolf. Trust me. The best idea is to ignore him completely until he realizes how wrong he is in some things.

Dont get overconfident, though. Scum can still win. Hard road but they can still do it if we make the same mistake we were about to make yesterday: DAMAGE ANARCHY. Yesterday consensus was easy only because we had to decide between rolf and Shinnen.

The plan now is to ONLY hurt people heavily suspected. We are lucky to have a down scum that gives us so many players to trust. Anyone hurting players that are not heavily suspected and prob town should be hurt to death.

[populartajo]

Updated scumlist

Prob Town

Seprahim
ABR
q21
Cybele-WLC
Nuwen
Xyl
Rolf
Kinetic
Fonz

Neutral

Walt
zwet
Juls
Drench
Giusepee
Hoopla

Prob Scum

DGB
Tenchi
viqles

Shinne

- YEAH, BABY.

[populartajo]

Xyl can we have a hurt/heal count?

[populartajo]

Using my scum detection powers Im damn sure that viqles has to be scum too.

demonstrate, please, everything that shinnen wrote about him is pointing straight to town

Do you forget that scum can daytalk? The attack against viqles (75%) was shit. Wanna take a guess how viqles reacted against her?

[populartajo]

ok tajo, also please explain why hoopla is neutral on your list

I dont have a read on her. Yes, I know she posts a lot but I dont remember anything obvscum that would lead me to put her in the third group. What is the case on her? Ill need to reread her to evaluate her.

[populartajo]

Also, Seraphim, the player, dont get frustrated for listening to rolf. Trust me. The best idea is to ignore him completely until he realizes how wrong he is in some things.

You know, there are other players this applies to more but....GAAAAAH JUST CAN'T DO IT!

Dont get overconfident, though. Scum can still win. Hard road but they can still do it if we make the same mistake we were about to make yesterday: DAMAGE ANARCHY. Yesterday consensus was easy only because we had to decide between rolf and Shinnen.

There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start.

GOGOGOGO.

[populartajo]

And it is KINETIC, no E, I am not one of Barbie's plastic friends.

Dude - you think you've got problems?

While I haven't by any stretch of the imagination cleared any of the people on your list, I'm at least looking at all the possibilities. Honestly, by this point in the game I'm tired of looking at the more active side. I've fenced directly with ABR, and indirectly with Xyl and Rofl. You, on the other hand, have pretty much tried to stay out of any arguments and have made bupkis but OMGUS and some mild pointing out of things you thought might help you...

Now reading you in isolation I'm more concrete about my suspicions of you.

[snip]

Anyway, you've already made your case why this isn't scummy, so I'll ask you not to reiterate it and focus on the other points I bring up, I'm just putting it here so that the entirety of your play is obvious.

(Last game, it took a week before rage started to accumulate).

Excellent timing. Last time I heard from you, you were going to tell us why Shinnen was town to you. Im still waiting.
Same post... but I hadn't realized you were in the last game... This piqued my interest because of something you tried to nail me on later in the game...

Assuming everything that is said about rage mechanics is true in this game, that means at most scum can only hold up to 3 rage points.

Did someone say that? Because I don't remember anyone else saying that... I'm going to bed - can someone check this please.

My question here was not about the last game, but (and you yourself answered this) "had this been mentioned in the thread or did you have some inside knowledge"....

I later re-posted the role PM that was posted earlier... but it didn't hit me until I re-read you and realized you were SCUM in the last game...

You knew this was true. Knew it without even needing to look it up... So I wondered, why on earth would you need someone to look it up for you?

I knew it was true (although I hadn't remembered the exact number to be honest). What I wanted to know was how did

you

know it was true. This has now been answered to my satisfaction.

I don't think I've mentioned the last game at all (other than the example above) - there has been a couple of questions where I was all set to answer, but in each case someone else beat me to it. (this is a very swift game)

blah blah

And now it begs the question:

Begging the question... At least try and get your logical fallacies right...

I'll be the first to admit I haven't contributed much yet. I don't have the sort of time that some of you seem to have, and after my assesment of shinnen, I really don't trust my abilty to pick scum.

I do think that it would be an extraordinary coincidence (or some sort of superhuman abilty) if the other suspects at the moment turn out to also be scum. However as I've just mentioned, I think I'm going to have to learn to trust my instincts less and maybe go with the majority.

Oh, we can all play the same game of grouping people under groups without good bases (in your case, with no bases at all):

Scumgroup: rofl, tajo, xyl, abr.

I find it funny that you (rofl) say that Seraphim doesn't give reasons for saying which players he want dead/find scummy, yet you do the same thing. Hypocrite. I don't like people who point out things in other players, while they are doing the same under lame excuses.

I could bet all my money that there is no scum in that list.

My guess would be at least 1, maybe 2. FWIW...

[populartajo]

Last time I heard about you, viq, you were going to tell us why Shinnen was town to you. Im still waiting.

[populartajo]

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen x2, The Fonz, roflcopter x2 (13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

THERE HAS TO BE SCUM HERE.

[populartajo]

ok tajo, also please explain why hoopla is neutral on your list

I dont have a read on her. Yes, I know she posts a lot but I dont remember anything obvscum that would lead me to put her in the third group. What is the case on her? Ill need to reread her to evaluate her.

see this is why you shouldn't just put me on /ignore, since i just fucking posted a case against hoopla

Im reading it now. Its hard to find a decent post of you with all the random attacks against me and Seraphim.

[populartajo]

you should try reading everything posted in the game, its a good way to play mafia

Im reading it now. Its hard to find a decent post of you with all the random attacks against me and Seraphim.

[populartajo]

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen x2, The Fonz, roflcopter x2 (13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

THERE HAS TO BE SCUM HERE.

Since that list contains 14 of the remaining 19 players... you're probably right. Well done.

Maybe because taking out the players that are prob town would help?
I have no idea who do you think is scum. Share, plz?

[populartajo]

This for q21 that thinks he is too funny.

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen x2, The Fonz, roflcopter x2 (13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

Prob town : ABR, Fonz, Kin, Seraph, Xyl, Nuwen, rolf, q21.
Who is left?
Prob scum: DGB, Juls.

[populartajo]

Actually, where is Juls?

[populartajo]

Oops. I think Shinnen_no_Me had 14 damage when he died, not 13. I must have forgot to add something.

No, I got it right, DrippingGoofball's attack didn't count. She really shouldn't be in that list...

She tried to, though.
About Hopla, yes I can see there is some merit on the case against her. Since I havent found anything that would incline me to believe she is town, I have no problems with her death.

[populartajo]

I disagree with lynching Walt.

What protown things has he done?

I keep asking this and nobody actually answers.

Gut.

[populartajo]

I don't know how to stop my lynch, particularly when hurt comes from players not even trying - but I'll be dead quite soon, so I'm going to try and post some final thoughts in the hope my words mean something when I'm gone. Don't finish me just yet!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
town reaction

I partially agree with this. It will depend entirely in the content of that post.

[populartajo]

Also, Hoopla would you mind giving us an analysis (short) of all players here?

[populartajo]

You know, I don't know why the personal stuff is necessary. I'm not being rude to any of you so there is no need to be rude toward me. I did not say I am an awesome player Xyl.

Please, try not to be total douche bags.

Yep. I'm terribly disappointed by the douchebaggery demonstrated by DGB and Xy in the last couple pages.

said the ABR.

[populartajo]

You shouldn't necessarily but you shouldn't try to hang him because of me. When I come up town you will know that my motivations were pure. Then, if you find him scummy at least it will be for the right reasons.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
scum reaction

Actually, I disagree with this. Knowing Juls and how competitive she is, I feel that she is telling the truth.*

[populartajo]

@Jules you rawk!

Look I may be examing this in too much of a simplistic manner, but I think town won with the first lynch! If we finish the game smart, no matter what happens over the next few weeks, if Nuwen, Rolf, and one more person who we really feel is town (ABR, Tajo, Kinetic or maybe even Xyl) in the end game, we should win! This should be smooooooth sailing from this point forward.

There is no way they have three Seraph? Right?

Its official. The dog is town.

[populartajo]

OMG, if Juls is prob town then it means that DGB became confirmed scum!!

[populartajo]

This for q21 that thinks he is too funny.

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen x2, The Fonz, roflcopter x2 (13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

Prob town : ABR, Fonz, Kin, Seraph, Xyl, Nuwen, rolf, q21.
Who is left?
Prob scum: DGB, Juls.

That or I need to reevaluate my prob-town list.

[populartajo]

What about if we let Hoopla survive a couple of aeons more?
Hoopla, I asked for a short opinion of every player here.
Another scummy target we could start hurting?

[populartajo]

I think I have an idea in case Hoopla is town.

[populartajo]

I think I have an idea in case Hoopla is town.

Tell us your idea now or scrap it dude. She's going to die, there's no escaping it. She messed up one too many times.

We put her at L-1. We control (prob rolf or Nuwen, still deciding) her hurtings or healings. We let scum take care of her.
And we can kill her when she is not useful anymore or its time to kill unconfirmed.
There should obv be an Ophanim on her right now in case she decides to use rage points.

[populartajo]

IT WAS JUST A FUCKING IDEA.
Hoopla is scummy as hell but she could be town.
Im just trying to find a way to abuse the fact that we only need one hurt to kill scummy player.

[populartajo]

I think I have an idea in case Hoopla is town.

Tell us your idea now or scrap it dude. She's going to die, there's no escaping it. She messed up one too many times.

We put her at L-1. We control (prob rolf or Nuwen, still deciding) her hurtings or healings. We let scum take care of her.
And we can kill her when she is not useful anymore or its time to kill unconfirmed.
There should obv be an Ophanim on her right now in case she decides to use rage points.

This might be the worst idea you've had all game.

Oh wait, the voting thing.

It's still a really awful idea.

The voting thing NEEDED everyone agreeing with it. It failed only because it assumed that everyone would contribute.

[populartajo]

Agree that pop's plan re: Hoopla = fail and possibly scum.

You mean I am possibly scum?

[populartajo]

Poptajo irks me a little - he spent his early game providing the role of concerned townie. I think it was a clever way to evade committing to active scumhunting or splid opinions, when town strategy was up in the air. He periodically updates his scumlist, but I think he slips under the radar a little. I don't know - I just get a bad vibe.

hey, this is exactly what i think of tajo in this game. if you are town this has been the most important thing you've said, because maybe people will actually stop false clearing tajo.

Actually that comment from Hoopla is totally false. It doesnt surprise me from rolf, though.
How the hell am I sliping under the radar when I have CLEAR opinions of almost everyone in the game?

[populartajo]

clear opinions tajo? all i've seen from you is arbitrary scum lists, and you spend most of your time yelling about your failed voting plan and strawmanning every player who laid down a hurt before getting the ok from you.

They are not arbitrary. I have my reasons.
I stopped yelling about my plan some time ago. You cant imagine the frustration of trying to help town and see it totally destroyed for the fault of 2-3 yelling anarchists. Day 1 was a extremely lucky day and luckily we now can hurt and heal now with more security (based on interactions and clearance in some key players)
Just answer this sincerely, can you say that my ideas (except the Hoopla thing) although not the greatest, are blatantly anti town?
Ive told you that repeating OMG, Tajo is so obv scum is not going to make me scum. Saying that is only going to get the support of scum and people not reading the game.

[populartajo]

DON'T HAMMER HOOPLA. FOLLOW TAJO'S PLAN

Actually no. It overestimated the importance of rage points. Why exactly do you agree with it?
Im still trying to find a way to abuse the idea of needing only 1 hurt to kill scummy players that could be town. There has to be something there.

[populartajo]

Keeping a player at 1 hp is basically giving the scum the choice of how long they live. Bad idea.

Yes, but they are not precisely the most protown players in the game. See my point?

[populartajo]

So, who is going to take credit for the Hoopla lynch? Anyone? ANYONE?

Hurt: viqles

Too soon. Flay
If you dont see it, then fail.

[populartajo]

Shit. 1 more hour.

[populartajo]

Also, the case on ABR is shit and confirms my suspicions of DGB.

[populartajo]

As usual, theory of 1scum per wagon indicates its probable there is a scum in this list.

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter x2, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone, Juls, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9)

TBH, Im not sure. Hoopla's case was interesting. Hoopla was inherently scummy but scum knew he was going to come up town so after the Shinnen debacle they should be acting more carefully. So this could be a potential town-wagon fueled with the possibility of not having a scum on it.

ABR and Seraphim are still town. Rolf still town but posting drunk to avoid public shame. If we should suspect someone on the wagon, it could be someone between Walt, WLC and Juls. But I think these players are at least neutral, so I dont know if the Hoopla wagon could be as informative as Id have expected.

[populartajo]

drunk posting for the win get ready -

fucking stop hurting viq he is not scum

i'd like an opinion from the following people: xyl, abr, fonz
on this question: which of seraphim and tajo deserves to die more?

i ask because one of them is getting a beatdown as soon as i'm capable, and i'm not stopping til they're dead

BE WRONG LESS!!!

[populartajo]

i'd like an opinion from the following people: xyl, abr, fonz
on this question: which of seraphim and tajo deserves to die more?

tajo duh

You, you are supporting him hurting me?

[populartajo]

Case on ABR.

PART 1

Not all scumtells are in the Wiki. I'm know I'm going to have a hard time convincing people, but it was strong enough for me to be the catalyst event that changed my view from ABR-town to ABR-scum. See, you can fake your town meta only so long until your scum slip starts showing.

ABR demanded that I prove my inability to hurt, and I complied. Then I found out that players can hurt in secret. I was alarmed, because it felt like a set up. If the scum put a hurt on me, then it would appear as if I lied. I would expect ABR town to apologize, or at least mention this casually as an error on his part. But he did not. He totally ignored it. From that moment it became clear to me that he was very cavalier about the possibility of townies dying over false pretenses. And that was the turning point for me.

Yeah, DGB is not the usual DGB.
Think for a second, DGB, before it becomes too obvious.
Can you compare ABR's town meta (all this game) with this action?
Also, has ABR apologized or admitted he is wrong any time?

[populartajo]

drunk posting for the win get ready -

fucking stop hurting viq he is not scum

i'd like an opinion from the following people: xyl, abr, fonz
on this question: which of seraphim and tajo deserves to die more?

Seraphim.

No, not even Seraphim.
Please, tell the reabbit to hurt anyone else.

[populartajo]

Also, has ABR apologized or admitted he is wrong any time?

He ignored the whole disaster. Swept it under the rug. A normal person would show some sign of embarrassment. From ABR, a simple mention that demanding that players show their inability to hurt, when other players can do secret hurt, is not a valid strategy. It was as if he doesn't want the town to play smart.

Also, a town with half a brain would have picked up on ABR's failure, and grown a pair.

I dont understand you, DGB. You say ABR is scum for setting you a "trap" that only 5 years old would fall for and for his relations with "this game is too much for me" Juls, even when his meta tells he is town?

[populartajo]

I dont understand you, DGB. You say ABR is scum for setting you a "trap" that only 5 years old would fall for and for his relations with "this game is too much for me" Juls, even when his meta tells he is town?

No. I'm saying he's scum for not acknowledging he's giving the town dangerous advice.

I'm saying he scared the living daylights out of poor Juls in the QT.

Thanks for twisting my words, pop. Tell me the truth, were you laughing and typing?

When did I twist your words? I asked for clarification. I still dont get it.
Its interesting how your first reaction is to attack me when you think I am town. Bravo, DGB.

[populartajo]

drunk posting for the win get ready -

fucking stop hurting viq he is not scum

i'd like an opinion from the following people: xyl, abr, fonz
on this question: which of seraphim and tajo deserves to die more?

i ask because one of them is getting a beatdown as soon as i'm capable, and i'm not stopping til they're dead

Seraphim, clearly. Nontheless, DO NOT HURT WITHOUT SUPPORT ONE ELEVEN!

We have had two players today hurt a previously injured player with no support. Kinetic and Zwet. Kinetic looks like an enormous hypocrite to me for this, since Kinetic is second only to Tajo in counselling about the dangers of 'just hurting who you think is scum.' I want to know why Tajo, if he really is opposed to 'random damage' is ignoring this.

Im opposed to random damage coming from anyone who is in my neutral/scum group from my recent scumlist.
Today is a different day, though. Lynching Shinnen and she coming up scum really changes the way how the game should be played from now. We have a nice pool of players I would call prob town. Xyl's theory of the maximum number of mislynches should be applied now that we have heavily reduced the amount of suspects and that we can win if we hurt fast, aka consensus.

Intent to hurt: viq

Anybody with me?

[populartajo]

Updated scumlist

Prob Town

Seprahim
ABR
q21
Cybele-WLC
Nuwen
Xyl
Rolf
Kinetic
Fonz

Feel Town, but still neutral.

Walt
Juls

Neutral

zwet
Drench
Giusepee

Hoopla

- R.I.P.

Prob Scum

DGB
Tenchi
viqles

Shinne

- YEAH, BABY.

[populartajo]

Hurt: viqles.

hoopla is also scum...

I really don't like people who make definitive statements like these - especially if there's no way that they could have any info.

We know, specially rolf, how much scum hate this type of statements.

If you have suspicions, then present your argument. If you don't think people are convinced, then present it again - expand and clarify. Just repeating declaritive statements does not further the game...
FOS:copter

Nice FOS there.

Random anything at this point has a 75% chance of hitting town.

How can you be so sure? That's a pretty solid number, you know. The only way you would know that is that you know how much scum there are, hence, you must be a scum as well.

Based on a standard mafia setup - 1 scum to 3 town. i.e. (as has already been mentioned) in a 12 player game you get 3 scum.
But that's ok - I forgive you...

Please, tell me Im not the only one seeing there is something stinky in this conversation. Considering that was the only comment Shinnen made about viq and how he suspected Kinetic, xyl and rolf/ARB later.

I really don't like people who make definitive statements like these - especially if there's no way that they could have any info.
If you have suspicions, then present your argument. If you don't think people are convinced, then present it again - expand and clarify. Just repeating declaritive statements does not further the game...
FOS:copter

How hypocritical. Why are you taking it out on copter, but not DGB?

OMG!

I did notice DBG, but I didn't see it as quite so pernicious. If it makes you feel better - FOS:DBG. I'm still not attacking either of them

Actually, I think that scum tried to concentrate efforts on rolf. DGB's bussing is possible, though.

Why are you defending roflcopter?

Lies.

Assuming everything that is said about rage mechanics is true in this game, that means at most scum can only hold up to 3 rage points.

Did someone say that?Because I don't remember anyone else saying that... I'm going to bed - can someone check this please.

Weren't you scum in the last game?

I'm not going to argue the 75% crap anymore. I've answered the question and if you really need to grasp at straws at this point then you're out of your tiny little minds.

SO, ITS CRAP NOW? WHY WASNT IT WHEN SHINNEN BROUGHT IT?

Neither shine nor hoop are on my radar scum-wise.
At this point it seems the best option is to hurt one of them, and I expect I shall do so when I have ability back.
I will have to read carefully to see which of them I can build a case for. (If I can at all. If not I'll probably have to hurt Xyl)

Oh, yes, would it be too obvious if I hurt Shinnen?

I read something that made me think that Shinnen was more likely town then hoopla (who seems fairly neutral at the mo.) but I can't remember what it was. I need to do some more reading.

I AM STILL WAITING.

Scummy to me at the moment:
Xyl
Kenetic
Rofl
ABR
I'm thinking DGB is less scummy then my last post - although my reasoning here could be flawed...
Reading to be done, then post more. Then hurting. Possibly Shinnen, just to see the kill and hence results. Then examine the bandwagon...

The fact that 4 of the players he thinks are scummier are players I think are town is strange.

Fair call - if anyone thinks it still relevant, I'll try and have a look. Unfortunately I also have to work, as I've spent a considerable amount of time over the last few (work) days doing this instead of working and I don't want to get in trouble.
I'll try and do a read tonight. (I have a feeling that there was something that seemed like such a scummy thing to say that no one who was scum would say something like that. So it may turn out to be a bit WIFOM...)

LESS EXCUSES, PLUZ.

Just checking in (skim read to catch up) to say that i'd really like to see a Juls lynch next.
That whole "when you kill me you'll see ABR...", and "don't kill ABR..." really bothers me.

It shouldnt. Explain why. What happened to your other suspects, huh? Why didnt you hurt Hoopla?

Well I don't. But then I didn't think Shinnen was scum either - and apparently there was some really huge scumtells that everyone else picked up on...
You raise a vaild point tho, so I'm going to be decisive and:
Hurt:Juls
Just because of the ABR following / defending. Just doesn't seem right to me.

Such a weak reason.
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[populartajo]

Viqles claimed Ophan?
Please give us your targets and timestamps plz.

[populartajo]

Since many people seem to be hiting Kinetic, I should prob reread him. At first glance, when I reread Shinnen, though, I really didnt see her bussing (she fake voted) Kinetic so early when the pressure wasnt too high. Considering also she was newb scum.

[populartajo]

Hurt: Drench

Hey, cant we get a consensus of who to hurt?

[populartajo]

The idea is to kill the major amount of suspected players as soon as possible, isnt it?

[populartajo]

The idea is to kill the major amount of suspected players as soon as possible, isnt it?

4 main suspects:

Kinetic
Walt
Tajo
Seraphim

These are your main suspects?

[populartajo]

I thought I was on your intent to hurt list, ABR. What made you change your mind?

That wasn't

my

list, it was the town's list.

According to who?

[populartajo]

Also, no one really said anything about meta until poptajo brought that up. I don't like his defense of me.

I didnt bring that up. DGB did and I never defended you. I think you are town. Get your facts right.

[populartajo]

Official Lurker List

Drench
Tenchi
Giuseppe
Juls
Tenchi
Viqles

[populartajo]

Poptajo, please respond to my observation.

What observation?

[populartajo]

See last page.

There is nothing directed to me. What are you taklng about?-

[populartajo]

For instance, you shone the spotlight on every possible ophan.

No, because not all the Ophans were stupid enough to observe in the first week of the game.

Hey - screw you...

You never know - all we needed was for a scum to start the game with rage points, or to talk to each other or something... In hindsight I probably would have saved it up...

Now I'm going to watch scummy people at random times (or maybe non-scummy - no one will ever know who I'm watching).

There's probably not going to be any rage damage for ages yet - they'll be wanting to save it up for a definite kill. The only possible exception is if we get a townie down to 3 and then decide not to continue...

So I won't be watching anyone for a while... (Or will I?)

I'm not lurking. I'm reading the thread again from the beginning. hopefully I'll be able to glean something worth commenting on.

Hey, viq, I asked for targets and timestamps.
You might as well answer my post.

[populartajo]

I'm going to start watching tomorrow, folks. I'd like to know what Juls has done or said to move her into the "sheepish" category, tajo, and I'm disturbed that no one has called out Walt on his uncalled for annoyance of ABR and spamminess.

P.S. I was listening to Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings at the exact time I read the last death scene with God saying goodbye... Really crazy feeling of actual grief. You should try it!

You mean this? This wasnt in the last page, you zwet.
Juls feel town to me because I know how competitive she is. Its more probable that she cant keep up with the pace of the game, got frustrated, and decided to trust her powers to someone who trusts.

[populartajo]

Why should she trust ABR? Has he done something ultra-productive besides cursing at everyone and bitching at everyone for pointless things and contributing to a mislynch?

Scum would usually target whoever they want or can get a benefit of and wouldnt ask ABR for a target..

[populartajo]

Again, why should she trust ABR?

You trust anyone, zwet?

[populartajo]

I typically trust DGB, tajo.

Why would you trust DGB?
Im talking about this game. Anyone you trust?
.....
Also, IIRC, Juls asked for a target, she couldnt decide which target. So she would hurt anyone that ABR would say to.

[populartajo]

Hey, viq, I asked for targets and timestamps.
You might as well answer my post.

You mean the people I've watched?

Xyl. At 1440 Sun (my time)

Twas 24 hours after: 143

Does that help you somehow?

Can we test our current Ophans?

[populartajo]

Why Xyl, huh? Did you think that scum would use rage points when it was too early?

[populartajo]

Why Xyl, huh? Did you think that scum would use rage points when it was too early?

That is directed to viqles.

[populartajo]

Why Xyl, huh? Did you think that scum would use rage points when it was too early?

That is directed to viqles.

Yep.

I thought I might as well, just in case. I don't have a good solid logical reason. I didn't sit and agonise over the decision for hours. I just thought I had a power and so I should try and use it as much as possible.

Answer my big post of accusations, plz. We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case. Just because you claimed Ophan, that doesn mean you are town.

[populartajo]

I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

Yes, he prob is. That doesnt mean he is town, though.
Wait, when?

[populartajo]

I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

Yes, he prob is. That doesnt mean he is town, though.
Wait, when?

Couple of RL days ago. I realize this doesn't bear on his alignment, but I did receive a result saying that ViQlEs was gazing on another player.

Flay said gazing?

[populartajo]

Answer my big post of accusations, plz. We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case. Just because you claimed Ophan, that doesn mean you are town.

Didn't say it did. Although it's more likely than if I was a Seriphim...

I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

I figured that was what you meant.

We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case.

Hang on - you're criticizing me for using my powers when it was unlikely that scum would be doing anything, and now you want me to do the exact same thing again, only this time telling the scum first so they know exactly when it's not safe to do stuff?

Seems a waste to me...

You realize it was unlikely that scum would be doing anything early. Why would you do it?
And right now its different. Actually, all Ophanims should be working now in watching the heavens to tell the scum that using rage points now is a terrible idea.

[populartajo]

I'm paraphrasing, but yes, it was a gaze. What's the significance?

Can you tell me the exact word?

[populartajo]

3 town seraphims against 1 seraphim makes sense to me. 2-2 Seraphims is probable but could be imbalanced, IMO. I dont know where I read it (maybe from the other game, will need to hunt for that quote) but IIRC scum accrue rage points accordingly to their range. That means, Seraphims accrue them more quickly.

Here is a fact: Town lost the other 2 games. Flay thought the game was swingy and needed a little bit of balance. Could be that, without knowing it, Flay balanced the game towards town's faction. 2-2 Seraphims goes against this theory.

Having said that. I dont support more hurting against Walt. His bye post feels town and the case on him was weak since the beginning. This doesnt mean he cant be scum but we have to use this advantage (1 scum less) we have wisely and not going crazy hurting like the end of the world. Call it stalling or whatever the hell you want. We need some order here, specially when rolf is going again with the "Im drunk" excuse and everybody is hurting the FUCK they want..

You already know why town lost the other game, right? Maybe, its time you listen.

[populartajo]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

[populartajo]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

[populartajo]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

I'm waiting for a damage count to confirm or disprove his claim before I finalize my judgement. I kinda think keeping him alive and using his double damage ability as a town tool would be the best play. If he really is a Seraph, we can use his damage to burn through a few other suspected scum and then use their flips for more confirms. If he doesn't damage as ordered, we kill him. The same type of theory is used when a vig/SK is discovered and the town can't confirm that player's alignment.

Where have I seen this before?

[populartajo]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

[populartajo]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

That requires leaving him alive another day.

Why do you want to kill him when we can control him and use his powers (he prob is a Seraphim) to kill scummy people. Yeah, yeah. rage points. You know something?, actually, at this point, and thinking it coldly, scum can help us to reduce the pool since no one is screaming confirmed town right now.

[populartajo]

The biggest problem with leaving him alive is

we don't learn his alignment

.

That information is much more valuable than an extra one-third damage.

What would we learn from his alignment?
Do you think its more probable 3-1 Seraphim or 2-2 Seraphim ratio distribution?

[populartajo]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

I'm waiting for a damage count to confirm or disprove his claim before I finalize my judgement. I kinda think keeping him alive and using his double damage ability as a town tool would be the best play. If he really is a Seraph, we can use his damage to burn through a few other suspected scum and then use their flips for more confirms. If he doesn't damage as ordered, we kill him. The same type of theory is used when a vig/SK is discovered and the town can't confirm that player's alignment.

Where have I seen this before?

I said something similar in one of my other ongoing games?

Actually, I kinda proposed this earlier with but I was treated like shit. This idea has to be improved somehow since if we suspect the player we are controlling is scum and we leave him at L-1, it will only take 1(ONE) player to finish him.

[populartajo]

What would we learn from his alignment?

... you know, for scumhunting purposes. By looking for interactions?

Like Hoopla much?
This only works if Walt is scum which Im sincerely starting to doubt.

[populartajo]

I think people are overestimating the importance of Seraphim (the role, not the player).

A Seraph has 1/3 hp than a Cherub.
A Seraph does 1/3 more damage per day than a Cherub.

That is not much of a power role.

It is still more powerful. Specially in a possible situation of 2 Seraphim scum left.
Ill have to hunt the quote where Flay explained that Scum Angels accrue rage points also in relation to their roles, making the Seraphim role even more powerful if scum.

[populartajo]

Yep, Nuwen, that is. Still something to think about regarding balance of the game.

And we want to leave Walt alive why?

Because he could be town?
If rage points work as the other game, scum will have only 4 rage points by tomorrow. (assuming 5 scum max), right?
In the case he is scum, we treat him as a SK directed by the town.
I really dont think Walt is obvscum. Do you?

[populartajo]

All this discussion does not make want to kill Walt less.

Why is he scum?
Do you realize you are treating him like rolf is treating you?

[populartajo]

I really dont think Walt is obvscum. Do you?

I'd agree with you if Walt hadn't claimed scum. I guess I'd rather keep a claimed scum alive than a hypnotized monkey like Juls. I know, I know. It's catty.

Did he?

[populartajo]

With townies like [Xyl] who needs to worry about scum?

Isn't he admitting to knowledge of Xyl's alignment?

kick in the shin: Juls

Isnt he being sarcastic?

[populartajo]

I am a Seraphim, thats whya few of my posts were vague and elusive. I didn't want to tip my hat so early in the game with a role claim.

I have to work all day tomorrow and the next day so I dont think I will have time to get back on the computer before I get eliminated. I will posts my final thoughts now. I have no doubt anymore Xyl is scum, at what first came across as just possible stuipd town play is in reality to overwhelmingly scum. His constant bandwagonning, rolefishing, wifom, etc has proved to me through the first few days of the game that he is scum. He dangerous to the town and will be repsonsible for more town deaths if he is allowed to continue in this game. He should really be your next matter of business before he lynches another townie. With townies like him who needs to worry about scum?

HURT: Xylhixlm

*With his flaming long sword Walt swings ripping across xyls torso and inflicting double damage.*

After Xyl is dead, I would suggest looking into Seraphim and anyone else who believes xyl is town. I get strong town vibes from Tajo and Kinetic and we all know that Nuwen and rofl are more than likely town. Xyl and for when I flip town, (Way to go guiness, your instincts were brilliant huh? )That's it, good luck town!

I really dont see Waltscum doing this post.

[populartajo]

Thats what Im asking. Who thinks he is scum?

[populartajo]

Also, why are you so afraid of rage points?
Am I right when I am saying that scum only will have their first 4 max rage points tomorrow?
Scum killing could also help.

[populartajo]

Walt is either scum or totally blinded by omgus. See the whole "before he lynches another townie" thing. I haven't lynched a townie so he must be talking about himself. That's omgus. He isn't even scumhunting past me - totally tunneled.

Either way I want him dead.

From my iPhone

Its possible when
Look, the discussion is not weather Walt is town or scum. It is how can we optimize the play in case he is town and in case he is scum. There is no need to kill him when rage points are so low right now and in case he does something crazy it only needs 1 player to kill him (assuming we leave him at L-1)

[populartajo]

EBWOP
Its possible when all the cases against him are weak.

[populartajo]

Who thinks Walt is scum besides Xyl?

[populartajo]

Also, why are you so afraid of rage points?
Am I right when I am saying that scum only will have their first 4 max rage points tomorrow?
Scum killing could also help.

I thought it was just 1 per week per scum? Or do you mean 4 points between 4 scum?

4 points between 4 scum. This is correct, right?

[populartajo]

Also, Xyl what did you learn from Hoopla lynch other than she was town?

[populartajo]

Also, why are you so afraid of rage points?
Am I right when I am saying that scum only will have their first 4 max rage points tomorrow?
Scum killing could also help.

I thought it was just 1 per week per scum? Or do you mean 4 points between 4 scum?

4 points between 4 scum. This is correct, right?

I think there are more than 4 scum in this setup. There were 3 scum to 9 town in the mini, making 5 scum to 15 town most likely in a large. What gave you the impression that 4 was the sweetspot?

And why did you use the word "max" in your sentence?

I assume 5 maximum scum in this setup. Since one is already dead, 4 max is the logical choice.
Kay, if there is consensus then I dont have anything else to say other than the case on Walt is weak and that there has to be a way to optimize him regardless of alingment.

[populartajo]

Viqles, what q21 is saying is true?

[populartajo]

FYI, here's how the activity level went for this game - you can see the spike when scum started using their Rage Points (marked in red at the bottom every time they accrued).

According to this graphic, q21 is apparently right.
My mistake. I still think Sunday is such an arbitrary day, taking in count this game could have started any day.

[populartajo]

I so hate the Walt hurting right now. You guys have no idea how to play this game.

[populartajo]

It tells the scum who is an Ophan, in case the town is trying to keep it secret.

Also, there may be other town roles which aren't listed in the second post.

Maybe to the first.
NO to the second.

[populartajo]

OMG HAI FIRESTARTER.

[populartajo]

It tells the scum who is an Ophan, in case the town is trying to keep it secret.

Also, there may be other town roles which aren't listed in the second post.

Maybe to the first.
NO to the second.

Nothing in the second post says that the roles listed are the only ones possible.

In the other two games this didnt happen.
So No.

[populartajo]

At ABR and TheFonz: what do you think of Walt? Seems today you guys kept more quite than usual.

@tajo: why exactly should we leave Walt alive? He claims at a strange time, he makes an awkward series of posts where he goes into the number of scum and then says he disappears for one and a half day in which he (logically) assumes to be eliminated.

I think Walt is already dead, so I dont see why this should be important anymore.

[populartajo]

Walt has 11 damage by my count.

Mmmkay.
So, anyone is going to listen me or should I not waste my time trying to explain why it

could

be useful that we keep Walt alive regardless of alingment for a couple of days, specially before Sunday?

[populartajo]

At ABR and TheFonz: what do you think of Walt? Seems today you guys kept more quite than usual.

@tajo: why exactly should we leave Walt alive? He claims at a strange time, he makes an awkward series of posts where he goes into the number of scum and then says he disappears for one and a half day in which he (logically) assumes to be eliminated.

Oh yeah, WLC asked it.

Im going to assume the worst case scenario. Walt is scum.

Imagine a normal game. 3 scum, 8 town, 1 SK.
We are in D2, there has been 2 kills and WaltSK is pressured to claim at L-1. The case is weak but the players pushing his lynch are vocal and aggressive. He finally claims vig.
What does the town do?
Agressive route: lynch him.
Non-agressive route: we control his kill that night, take advantage of it killing a scummy player, and we lynch him tomorrow.

I know the situations arent the same but we can optimize the use of Walt even if he is scum. There are advantages and disadvantages in each of the routes we could take but you all know that we can take care of the probable SK with only 1 HURT in this game.

No need to explain the downside of hurting Walt right now if he is town.

[populartajo]

In the other two games this didnt happen.
So No.

I don't know why you are so definate.

It might be unlikely, but I can see how it could happen. (Mr Flay did mention the possibility of different roles at the end of the last game...

There has been 2 games of WIH before. Both games were extremely similar. There is nothing that indicates that this game should be different.
Following your logic, we might as well discard rage points too...

[populartajo]

@tajo, if Walt's scum, why leave him alive to let him gain rage points? why are you specifically mentioning sunday? (I highly doubt you would be that obvious if you're scum)

According to the graphic I just posted (!) the last game scum got rage points in every Sunday.
Do you think Walt is scum?

[populartajo]

I think he's saying that there may be more town roles than the last game. And I'm not sure why that is such a stretch to imagine.

Please check the first page of the game. Flay is not Tar.

[populartajo]

At ABR and TheFonz: what do you think of Walt? Seems today you guys kept more quite than usual.

@tajo: why exactly should we leave Walt alive? He claims at a strange time, he makes an awkward series of posts where he goes into the number of scum and then says he disappears for one and a half day in which he (logically) assumes to be eliminated.

Oh yeah, WLC asked it.

Im going to assume the worst case scenario. Walt is scum.

Imagine a normal game. 3 scum, 8 town, 1 SK.
We are in D2, there has been 2 kills and WaltSK is pressured to claim at L-1. The case is weak but the players pushing his lynch are vocal and aggressive. He finally claims vig.
What does the town do?
Agressive route: lynch him.
Non-agressive route: we control his kill that night, take advantage of it killing a scummy player, and we lynch him tomorrow.

I know the situations arent the same but we can optimize the use of Walt even if he is scum. There are advantages and disadvantages in each of the routes we could take but you all know that we can take care of the probable SK with only 1 HURT in this game.

No need to explain the downside of hurting Walt right now if he is town.

Tajo... the "chain the scum and use them" strategy only works on an

SK

, because they will lose if they die. It doesn't work on mafia, not even in a regular game.

You are not geting the most important part. If Walt uses his rage points, meaning he is scum, we kill him.

[populartajo]

@tajo, if Walt's scum, why leave him alive to let him gain rage points? why are you specifically mentioning sunday? (I highly doubt you would be that obvious if you're scum)

According to the graphic I just posted (!) the last game scum got rage points in every Sunday.
Do you think Walt is scum?

No, I think Walt is town, that's why I hurt him yesterday, and arguing against him now..

And why exactly do you want to keep Walt alive especially until Sunday to gain a rage point? From my perspective that's a bad thing for town.

And why do you think he is scum?
I said before Sunday, that means, before he gets a rage point if he is scum.

[populartajo]

Xyl, we are assuming this game is similar to the both last games.
If we are not assuming that, then we might as well assume that there are no rage points in this game and that scum have other way to kill.
Also, talking about possible roles other than is retarded and doesnt have any importance.
About, Walt do what you want. Im wasting my time here. His case is weak.

[populartajo]

I dont need Flay here to know that Walt is indeed town.
Fucking told you so.
Why exactly are we healing people again?

Hurt : Tenchi.

Die lurking scum die.

[populartajo]

Heal: Xylthixlm

. Before we start hurting the ones already hurt now, I think we have to wait exactly how the Walt-thing turns out. I think scum was on the sideline with the whole Walt-wagon.

You know, this kind of comments really pisses me off.
REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

[populartajo]

WaltWishbone: Have you even taken a close look at anyone but me this game? I'm not the only person on your wagon, I'm just the most vocal. Your main argument against me has always been that you're town and I'm attacking you so I must be scum, which is

complete

OMGUS; why not use the same logic for the people on the Hoopla wagon? Your other arguments are weak and you wouldn't even bother with them if I wasn't attacking you.

You know?, you argument against him wasnt

that

stellar. This doesnt mean you are scum, only that you, along with rolf, should be a little less arrogant.

[populartajo]

Xyl can I see a hurt count?

ARE YOU GOING TO PLAY THIS GAME NOW OR I SHOULD LET PEOPLE KILL YOU?

[populartajo]

People on the WaltWishbone wagon bolded.

Nice to know that you think your wagon was entirely scum-driven. Unlikely to be true, but still, nice to know.

I really cant blame him. No one on his wagon, except you and I wouldnt even call that a case, had a case against him.

[populartajo]

Uh, DrippingGoofball was on the wagon before Nuwen.

Who are you suspecting right now?

[populartajo]

Juls still isn't playing. She's just kept on being a puppet, hasn't contributed anything relevant, and I'd like to hurt her, because lurker + helping ABR mindlessly isn't something I like.

I'd prefer, with my current feeling in the game on ABR, that he only have the weight of one player, not two, especially one that doesn't question anything he does.

Intent to Hurt Juls

You have contributed anything?

[populartajo]

I told people I had a test today and I would catch up after the test...it is likely I won't get anything up of substance until tomorrow because I won't be able to catch up. Stop threatening to kill me and just do it if you are going to. If you are I won't catch up. There is so much attitude in this game I really don't give a shit if I get killed or not.

ASK FOR A REPLACEMENT NAO.

[populartajo]

Hurt Swet

I really don't think zwet is scum. There is no positive evidence of him being scum.

Also, the number of times that ARB has called intent to hurt someone and never followed through is starting to get to me.

Nice catch.

q21 is gut wrenchingly town.

Juls and ABR are scumbuddies. People that can't see that, are hung up on 'wikitells.' They should open their eyes to less conventional, and sometimes unique tells. Think beyond the wiki.

Would they be too obvious? /WIFOM.

[populartajo]

Ok. That's too many people with damage. And what do we do with WaltWishbone? I think I believe he's not scum now.

roflmao, I was wondering why I wasn't dead yet????

Look, my only act of scum was being argumenative and a smartass in my opinion... and probably getting drunk and posting was not smart. So, yeah, sorry I was just trying to keep up with everyone else's wit.. I dont want to be eliminated, I think its a mistake (since 2 of the 3 seraphim have to be town) and the scum will go after me with their first rage points anyways I would think. I would like to stick around until my next turn (3pm tomorrow) so I can heal rofl (as I promised) and get him 1hp above where we started if the town agrees. Anyways, I was suppossed to be sleeping tonight not playing here. lol.

I'm almost willing to heal you walt.

Here is the catch: Hurt yourself after 3 am. I will then heal you. If you are seraphim than the hurt will not go through and I will then heal you. If you aren't seraphim the hurt will kill you and my heal will fail.

Ah very good idea, I can do that before I got to work tomorrow. We cant hurt ourselves according to the rules but I can hurt you and it wont count because I have to wait 36 hours between hurts. Which will be 3pm tomorrow.

So here it is...

Hurt: Kinetic

Too soon. Flay

This will

NOT

count because I am a seraphim and have not recharged for 36 hours. I'll be back nine or so hours to heal rofl.

OMG, SAVE THE DOG.

[populartajo]

I cant really post anything useful right now. Browsing the thread there has been a lot of people campaigning against other people and I can't make a dedicated decision right now (aside from what I've said early in this game).

I'll catch up next week. (Sunday)

WTF? Sunday?
I also hate the Firestarter wagon. His first post felt town and Im waiting for his posterior analysis.
Just FYI, Drench had limited access the previous weeks.

[populartajo]

... I'm still interested in Walt's flip. Why are we healing a wagoned player during the damage phase, wasting both cooldowns and time? Xyl was not the sole supporter of his lynch.

You really dont know Walt's flip?
Really?

[populartajo]

I'm just laying down prophecy. One day, there will be a player named Neo. DBG will go on a crusade and he will be scum, therefore making him The One.

On that note, seeing as my Drench hurt is a dead-end, I'm hoping that it doesn't count as I certainly don't want a replacement attacked right out the door.

I don't like the way you, and Fonz, went on a lurker hunt against Drench. The lurker hunt idea was fine, lurking is, to a degree further than normal, scummy in this game, but one of you should have picked up on the fact that he had been replaced.

That whole incident smells bad.

I feel that Walt is town from his response when he'd "died".

Hurt Swet

Being trying to get him killed for a while, unless someone can give me good reason why he's town I'm going to focus on that.

Also, the number of times that ARB has called intent to hurt someone and never followed through is starting to get to me.

I like your 148, Kinetic.

Call intent to hurt vIQleS

By now Kin, you must realize that the grand majority of my case against you constitutes of trying to stall the game and not being able to come to a swift decision. You have but to support me in killing this vIQleS player whom you also suspect, and you tear the whole case down, providing you also act in a coherent manner afterwards. I await your response.

I don't care that both Fonz and copter don't want anything to do with a DGB bandwagon. I will find my support elsewhere.

Call Intent to hurt DGB

She was the main detractor from the Shinnen lynch, and its about time for you to see it.

Intent to hurt: zwet

Yet, on the FIRST lynch, You, Fonz, Rofl, and ABR danced and claimed responsibly for killing Shinnen like it was all you guys.

No.

Call intent to hurt Kinetic

I dont remember why I thought q21 was town but this post, I dont like it for some reason.

[populartajo]

Sorry about the delay in posting, I didn't expect my meeting tonight to last Five Hours.

Hurts on Drench count against Firestarter, as they're targeting the same role or 'spot' in the game. zwet's hurt on WWB does NOT count, as it was too early.

FOURTH DAMAGE TALLY OF THE FOURTEENTH ÆON

Albert B. Rampage, Nuwen, populartajo, q21, Seraphim, The Fonz, and WeyounsLastClone are at 1 HP above their normal maximum.

DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, and roflcopter are all at normal HP.

Tenchi and vIQleS have 1 damage each.
Xylthixlm has 2 damage.
Kinetic and zwetschenwasser have 3 damage each.
Firestarter and Juls have 4 damage each.
WaltWishbone has 11 damage.

If calculations are right, scum can kill at least 3 people from this hurt list (red) if we assume no one is scum.
DAMAGE ANARCHY FTLOSE.

[populartajo]

Seeing as my new hurt against Juls didn't count...

Mine will! Woo-hoo!

melt: Juls
declare financial ruin: Juls
deep fry: Juls
flesh eating disease: Juls
mouse trap: Juls
can't open parachute: Juls
not in Kansas anymore: Juls
wilt: Juls
raise cholesterol: Juls
turn to stone: Juls
mow: Juls

and since the above doesn't seem like quite enough:

hurt: Juls

So, Juls is scum why?

[populartajo]

hurt: kinetic

with mah fire blade

Dude. Get some support or stop hurting.

+1

[populartajo]

Xyl, Kinetic, zwet and Firestarter should NOT be on this list.

Im thinking that Juls shouldnt be in this list also.

[populartajo]

Firestarter's damage was an accident which may have cost the town a player. Dammit, stupid player replaced *grumble grumble*

What, tajo, has Juls done that is pro-town in the slightest?

Not giving a shit about this game. Being polemic when the logical play as scum is to try to win survival points. Getting frustrated for the speed of the game and for not having time.
I would put her at a neutral position, knowing that she has promised to catch up soon.
Your turn. Tell me anything obv-scum.

[populartajo]

I told people I had a test today and I would catch up after the test...it is likely I won't get anything up of substance until tomorrow because I won't be able to catch up. Stop threatening to kill me and just do it if you are going to. If you are I won't catch up. There is so much attitude in this game I really don't give a shit if I get killed or not.

This for example. Scum would provoke people like that