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[Xtoxm]

NO

HASD SHOULD HAMMER. NO ONE ELSE. ZWET, DO NOT HAMMER

[Tarhalindur]

Alright, well I guess it's time for me to claim huh...

I am a Super-Saint. When I am lynched, the person who cast the final vote dies as well.

Now that I got my claim out of the way, I think the basis of this wagon is bad. I think I have a right to defend myself, but if I have no idea what post makes him (Kscope) think I am scum, then how am I supposed to do that?

DGB: You accuse me of leading the town, but how many wagons have you led the town on now? I am also still not comfortable on the fact you "Deduced" that animorph was killed by a townie as opposed to scum. Your comment wreaks of either inside information or a sudo claim of the kill. I also find it funny that when you and tubby ask kscope for reasons it isn't considered scummy, but as soon as I ask, I get wagoned. Mind telling me why this is the case?

zwet: Is it just me or have you been pretty much coasting this game since you have claimed? I would like some more analysis from you.

Also, I am pretty sure Kevy and rofl are paired together somehow given the crumb Kev left in Post 73 and the one rofl left now. I'm not gonna go and call them town and cleared, but you can be sure if one flips town then the other sure as hell is town as well. Same for one flipping scum.

@The whole town: One thing I have noticed is that there is a lack of any analysis from just about everyone here. As tubby put it, this has been the game of one liners. I really wouldn't mind sme more active prodding of the inactives.

So, lynching you gains a second lynch if you're telling the truth or a scum lynch if you're not. (Or both, if you're a scum Supersaint.)

So, time to put the Supersaint action plan into place.

Point 1) We lynch the claimed Supersaint today.
Point 2) We fakevote to decide who hammers the Supersaint, effectively granting us a second lynch if he's telling the truth about his ability (and if he's not, we got a scumbag).

Tubby hammer is decent, but I think we can do better.

Fakevote: Empking's Alt

for the hammer - see the PBPA earlier for reasoning.

[Xtoxm]

So... Xtotm is pretending to be defending me so as to appear more town and attack me later for attacking him. He's so scum and we need him to die tomorrow.

Uhhh, yeh, my role is kinda already confirmed

[Xylthixlm]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (8 to lynch) |||
||| MAFIABOT || DrippingGoofball - 2 (Kevy Empking's_Alt) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Empking's_Alt - 2 (tubby216 Tanarin) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Tanarin - 7 (KaleiÃ

[Kevy]

Things I want to point out:

1. Xtoxm is not a confirmed green goo. Phate could have just as easily been the green goo and Xtoxm took the opportunistic claim (assumingly to coast through the game as a claimed survivor).
2. The person who hammers Tanarin SHOULD be someone who was already on his wagon prior to the claim. Mainly because the Tanarin wagon was the most contrived BS I've ever seen and that anyone on that wagon from my POV is misguided town or scum. Kscope was apparently rolehinting that he had info on Tanarin being scum. Wagon ensued.
3. @Tarhalindur: a super-saint cannot be scum. Only a mad gunman can, but that's not a super-saint (rather, it is LIKE a super-saint, except a RANDOM player dies, not the person who hammers). And yes, I agree with you, the SS should be lynched today rather than later.
4. In IRC, it is common play for the claimed survivor to choose who hammers him. Even though this is a forum game, I still think that this would be the best idea. The "fakevoting" idea gives scum another opportunity to lynch another townie.

With that being said, I am ADVISING that Tanarin chooses his hammerer out of these people:

||| MAFIABOT || Tanarin - 7 (KaleiÃ

[Tanarin]

Ok, well I was planning on picking someone on the wagon to hammer me, so that is a non-issue. I still dunno who exactly I am going to ask to hammer, but rofl was not even on my mind as the hammer.

As far as Xtoxm is concerned... Re-read post 17:

*hugs Xtoxm*

!vote kevy

obvscum. lynchlynchgo.

Fairly obvious Phate targeted Xtoxm, because if Phate was the original goo, I highly doubt he would have said that.

[DrippingGoofball]

Fakevote: Empking's Alt

for the hammer.

[hasdgfas]

NO

HASD SHOULD HAMMER. NO ONE ELSE. ZWET, DO NOT HAMMER

I'll gladly hammer if that's the town's decision, but I'd much prefer a tubby hammer

@Kevy:

4. In IRC, it is common play for the claimed survivor to choose who hammers him. Even though this is a forum game, I still think that this would be the best idea. The "fakevoting" idea gives scum another opportunity to lynch another townie.

With that being said, I am ADVISING that Tanarin chooses his hammerer out of these people:

||| MAFIABOT || Tanarin - 7 (KaleiÃ

[Kevy]

This is just insane. If Tanarin is an SS(which is possible, but I have found him rather scummy), we got ourselves a 2nd lynch opportunity here. Saying that Tanarin should choose is ridiculous and I don't see how that's any better than the town choosing.

"If Tanarin is an SS":

1. He is cleared.
2. He is TOWN.
3. The person who hammers him will also die.

"If Tanarin is an SS, and he chooses who hammers":

1. He is cleared.
2. He is TOWN.
3. Whoever he chooses will also die, be it scum or town.

"If Tanarin is an SS, and town votes on who hammers him":

1. He is cleared.
2. He is town.
3. Scum can influence who town votes to hammer.

Do you see the problem here? With Tanarin picking who hammers him, town is guaranteed that the person who hammers will be chosen by someone who is completely, 100% town. There is no downside to this because if Tanarin is scum, he dies and the hammerer doesn't.

From my experience with Tanarin, he is generally a very good player when he is both alive and town. I have faith in his judgment, and I can't say the same for the rest of you. It's better to let the "cleared" town decide who the second lynch is.

[Vir4030]

I'm not hinting, I'm just talking in code to roflcopter. He's the only one that really understands me. We're on the same wavelenght. His posts are short but that's only because his mind works too fast for anyone to catch a glimpse of it but me.

How do you know roflcopter is town?

I thought the biggest slam dunk case against me is that I participated in the run up of players to claiming, then when they claimed something believably townie, I backed off from lynching them. I'm getting flak for it, but I don't care, because I'm right.

Could you give me an example of a claim that wouldn't be believably townie?

Fakevote: DGB

for the final vote.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm town, I'm not hammering. Roflcopter doesn't want me to hammer.

[DrippingGoofball]

How do you know roflcopter is town?

I totally know, without a shadow of a doubt, that roflcopter is town.

I thought the biggest slam dunk case against me is that I participated in the run up of players to claiming, then when they claimed something believably townie, I backed off from lynching them. I'm getting flak for it, but I don't care, because I'm right.

Could you give me an example of a claim that wouldn't be believably townie?

UROE's claim was believable to me because he had results on me that were true, and for which chances were small that he would have guessed this result.

Tubby's results are also seem genuine.

UN-fakevote

- I have to think about this some more.

[Xtoxm]

Tan choosing doesn't work.

For example. If Tan chose me, i'd be like, fuck you. It only works if whoever has to hammer will be lynched if he refuses. So it's basically town consensus again.

[roflcopter]

at this point i'm against a dgb hammer

tanarin choosing the hammer seems like best play here. tanarin choosing xtoxm seems like it would be pretty stupid and he won't do that, and if anyone else he chooses refuses to hammer, we just lynch that person instead.

[DrippingGoofball]

For example. If Tan chose me, i'd be like, fuck you. It only works if whoever has to hammer will be lynched if he refuses. So it's basically town consensus again.

Worse still, whoever Tanarin is choosing will be cornered into claiming, if that player doesn't want to be the hammer. If Tanarin is fakeclaiming, that gives him too much room for anti-town shenanigans.

[DrippingGoofball]

Can Vir4030 hammer? He might as well make himself useful.

[tubby216]

well i don't mind hammering, for these reasons

1) it will help move this game along

2) since i already claimed an investigative role i will either be blocked or killed from here on out

3) if i continue to live the more suspicious i become and fall victim to more scum driven wagons

all in favor say

AYE

[Xtoxm]

That works fine if Tan is scum, but I don't like the potentially losing an investigative, and with 2 pro-town players.

[tubby216]

well here is what we have


zwet claimed MUP
tubby claimed Gunsmith
tan claimed ss

so either someone hammers or we simply don't lynch tan.


alternative wagons i will support at this time
are hasdfgas, empkings alt, vir

[Xtoxm]

I do not support you or zwet hammering/dying. If zwet really wants to be an idiot, he can go ahead and target me, and lose his role.

I can probably go with any of those 3 named alternatives. Not looked in any real detail at Emp yet, though.

[roflcopter]

vir would be a good hammerer

[Empking's Alt]

Fake: Tar

[armlx]

Fake Vote Zwet

I've stated stuff on this earlier.

[tubby216]

this is retarded i doubt just because we fake vote for some one to hammer or not or if tan picks that person they will infact hammer, this is just dumb and unhelpful,

either we lynch tan or we don't its that simple,


now tans claim could be true but i also believe tan to be an accomplished irc player that facing a lynch would claim ss to make everyone back off.


so i pose the question do we hammer tan or not
if you want tan hammered then i will do it and just get it done with.

[Xtoxm]

Oh, let's just go with the Tan choosing option, atleast that's quicker.