Sorry im reading now. Apparently when a cruise says the dates are 9-13th, it means you don't get back until the morning of the 14thPlum wrote:populartajo wrote:Mod: prod afatchic.He said his V/LA would run from Monday through Friday (today) of this week. Hence I'm not prodding him at this point.Plum wrote:Afatchic is noted V/LA.
. So i just got home an ill be catching up soon.
I did not read his games as town but I did notice more often than when he is scum that he stayed in the game much longer. As scum he gets early attention. He even gets it when he replaces in almost immediately.tajo 199 wrote:Juls, did you check his play as town too?
Can afatchic be town playing poorly? Sure...but of the people in this game I think he is the most scummy. Why can'ttajo 199 wrote:From my perspective I think afatchic is prob town playing poorly. Why from your perspective he cant be doing that, or at least have a neutral behaviour in this game?
I have given you several reasons why I think afatchic is scum and I am not going to keep rehashing them. Nothing has changed on my opinion of him in the past week because he has been gone. I don't know why you want to continue to have the same conversation. I think he is scum; you think he is town playing poorly. Why aretajo 199 wrote:Why are YOU so sure he is scum? Ive given you reasons to make you rethink afatchic behavior and that Ive seen a bazillion of townies playing poorly being lynched D1 all the time. Have you?. The thing that really bugs me is WHY are you so blind to that possibility?
Crazy is my wildcard. I see a couple of things from him I don't like. For instance, I thought his argument on Artem was reaching. When he was trying to say Artem was scum because he thought you were godfather even though he put his suspicions on afatchic. It felt like he was just looking for a weak excuse to latch onto. Another thing was when he unvoted after defending his vote on you. It seemed like he kinda caved when he was getting attention for it. I can, however, rationalize town doing those two things. If we lynch you are afatchic and you flip town then he would definately seem like the next best option.tajo 199 wrote:What are your current thought of Crazy?
A large part of it is you defending him but it also comes from him defending you as well. He called you pro-town real early and it just felt weird. I still don't see how he thought you were scum-hunting more than anyone else. So I see some connections from each of you independently. Also, you are completely dismissing my points so I don't really get good feelings about you on that point. It doesn't feel like you are trying to work with me, it feels like you are trying to work against me despite every effort I am making to work with you.tajo 199 wrote:Why do you think I am scum with afatchic? Just becuase Im defending him or there is anything else?
1. He is legitimately scum-hunting.tajo 199 wrote:Why do you think Artem is town?
Can you read any game he plays as town, specially the ones I played with him?Juls wrote:I did not read his games as town but I did notice more often than when he is scum that he stayed in the game much longer. As scum he gets early attention. He even gets it when he replaces in almost immediately.
I am considering that possibility. I just dont find it more probable than he playing poorly. Im explaining you why.Juls wrote:Can afatchic be town playing poorly? Sure...but of the people in this game I think he is the most scummy. Why can't you open your eyes up to that instead of having me bend to your will?
I appreciate your effort but you dont have a case other than null-tells and thingsJuls wrote:I put forth a lot of effort to try to show you where I am coming from and all I see from you is excuses for him. And being that I think you are the other scum, why would I trust your instincts on afatchic?
I am not blind. I have already explained why I think he is more probable town than scum. You are ignoring my points.Juls wrote:Why are you so blind to the possibility he is scum?
The game would be over, genius.Juls wrote:If we lynch you are afatchic and you flip town then he would definately seem like the next best option.
Could be the questions I made at the beginning, couldnt be?Juls wrote:A large part of it is you defending him but it also comes from him defending you as well. He called you pro-town real early and it just felt weird. I still don't see how he thought you were scum-hunting more than anyone else.
Like you are doing?Juls wrote:Also, you are completely dismissing my points so I don't really get good feelings about you on that point.
So, Im trying to prevent a potential mislynch and Im the one not working with you in lynching the obvscum you "catched"?Juls wrote:It doesn't feel like you are trying to work with me, it feels like you are trying to work against me despite every effort I am making to work with you.
Listen, Juls, I think you are scum for a simple reason.Juls wrote:So now a question for you...is the only reason you think I am scum is because we disagree on afatchic?
Do you think you are playing poorly?Juls wrote:I'll address the rest when I have a little more time but just a quick question...why is afatchic "town playing poorly" and I am "scum". If you disagree whole heartedly with my arguments why am I not "town playing poorly"?
Do you disagree with this?Tajo wrote:We are trying to lynch scum here. If we dont lynch scum we are closer to losing the game. The possibility of someone being townie playing poorly should primate in your reasoning more than the probability of he being scum.
I know that the game wouldnt end if we never lynched someone but I am giving reasons to reconsider your position about her and you are just ignoring them. I have no idea why.
The fact that you think Im scum because I AM considering that possibility is just confirming my theory. You know how I play as town. You know that I have done this before. I love how you ignored my question about Cybele.
First, I have not forgetten about your big post with lots of questions. I will answer that soon but I am really not in the mood for writing a big long response right now so I am just going to quickly address this.populartajo wrote:Clearly I think you are town playing poorly? Where did you get that?
Of course you are not playing poorly. Everybody in this game realizes that. You are telling me to compare apples with oranges.Do you disagree with this?Tajo wrote:We are trying to lynch scum here. If we dont lynch scum we are closer to losing the game. The possibility of someone being townie playing poorly should primate in your reasoning more than the probability of he being scum.
I know that the game wouldnt end if we never lynched someone but I am giving reasons to reconsider your position about her and you are just ignoring them. I have no idea why.
The fact that you think Im scum because I AM considering that possibility is just confirming my theory. You know how I play as town. You know that I have done this before. I love how you ignored my question about Cybele.
Where are you getting this ideas from? I DONT think you are playing poorly. Playing poorly would generate a lynch regardless of alignment, example: afatchic suspected by 3 people. You are not playing poorly.Juls wrote:More specifically, you think I am scum playing poorly. So, my question is...why do you think it is more likely that I am scum playing poorly than town playing poorly.
But I AM scumhunting too. I usually play that way and you and Crazy have an idea how I play as town. If I think someone is town (even worse, if I peg him as town playing poorly) then its very probable that there is scum in the attacks. Doesnt this make sense to you?Juls wrote:Your comment suggests that we should be looking for townies and not scum-hunting.
You see? This is my problem with you. There is not the possibility of me town preventing a potential mislynch of someone I think its town?Juls wrote: You are defending her with all your might (which now is making me think maybe she IS the godfather and you are trying your best not to get an insta-loss).
Nothing. Why do you think I am not scumhunting? Just because we disagree?Juls wrote: So what is wrong with town-hunting AND scum-hunting concurrently?
Waiting for that.Juls wrote:And I am not ignoring your question about Cybele btw but that game lasted like 1.5 hours and for the most of it I was trying to figure it out so in order to see what you are talking about I am going to have to reread. Add that to my todo list. And just so there is no question of my sincerity in my promises (to respond to your question-filled post and go back and read the war in heaven game) I will unvote until I have finished those two things.
I'm subtle? I'm actually more assertive here than I am in most of my games. I don't think Artem is really subtle either.Tajo wrote:I suspect everyone that jumped against afatchic. I assume one scum was aggressive (Juls) and the other is trying to be subtle. Thats why its hard to decide between you and Crazy. There is some subtle defending of Juls in some posts. Im not too sure about that arguments that have been far-reaching. Could you point me to them?
Umm, yeah. Trying to appear like scum usually doesn't help you regardless of alignment. (And yes, finding scum is a higher priority, of course, but who says you can't do both?Artem wrote:I still think Crazy is trying to appear townie like he would in a non-vengeful game.
He's there... I see both him/you and him/Artem as likely scumpairs. Him/Juls is not, for obvious reasons. Just because I think Artem/Juls make a really likely scumpair doesn't make them my top suspects (Juls in particular, since tbh it's hard to see her as scum with anybodyafatchic wrote:What happened to afatchic?
I see your case on afatchic. But why the vote on Tajo? That's what's not making sense to me.Juls wrote:Can afatchic be town playing poorly? Sure...but of the people in this game I think he is the most scummy. Why can't you open your eyes up to that instead of having me bend to your will? I put forth a lot of effort to try to show you where I am coming from and all I see from you is excuses for him. And being that I think you are the other scum, why would I trust your instincts on afatchic?
You'll see I commented on this as soon as he posted it. What bothers me is that Artem thinks a vote is going to be more effective than a prod. When Slicey was replaced, he unvoted. Well,Artem wrote:Because there was nothing particularly scummy about his response, and because you and Tajo became more interesting with your "It's worthy to note...". It's almost like you're hinting at something I've done being suspicious, without explicitly stating that it is. The fact that you haven't said why something is interesting or noteworthy worries me.
It also bugs me that Slicey doesn't post. In my experience, lurkers tend be the godfather.
Unvote; Vote: Silcey to get him participating.
This is giving me a funny feeling because it's coming from a guy who is unsure how to read me or Crazy because we are experienced (and therefore don't play poorly). Yet, here you are saying that Juls is not playing poorly, but you definitely feel like you've nailed scum.Tajo wrote: Where are you getting this ideas from? I DONT think you are playing poorly. Playing poorly would generate a lynch regardless of alignment, example: afatchic suspected by 3 people. You are not playing poorly.
Really? You think there's scum among theTajo wrote: But I AM scumhunting too. I usually play that way and you and Crazy have an idea how I play as town. If I think someone is town (even worse, if I peg him as town playing poorly) then its very probable that there is scum in the attacks. Doesnt this make sense to you?
If one is trying to appear townie, I'd say that they go about it a certain way in a normal game, and a different way in a vengeful game.Crazy wrote: Umm, yeah. Trying to appear like scum usually doesn't help you regardless of alignment. (And yes, finding scum is a higher priority, of course, but who says you can't do both?
Juls definitely have less experience than you both. If I am right about her he made the typical scum mistake of going against the easy target,Artem wrote:This is giving me a funny feeling because it's coming from a guy who is unsure how to read me or Crazy because we are experienced (and therefore don't play poorly). Yet, here you are saying that Juls is not playing poorly, but you definitely feel like you've nailed scum.
Seriously I still think that you are hard to read. I wouldnt call you obv town neither obv scum. This is the first time I play with you, Artem, and I feel you would be terrible as scum but also helpful as town, so Im really pondering now which is the most probable. You had a townie response when you were the only one that considered afatchic playing poorly, but you are really looking to every thing I say and tunneling it into scum actions which is no town-thinking, IMO. I still cant understand why you think Juls is town with a weak indicator. I at least would put her as neutral.Artem wrote:Tajo, would you mind giving a detailed description of what you think of me and Crazy? Thus far, you've only been giving two-sentence blurbs about anybody who is not Juls or afatchic.
Whats wrong with that theory?Artem wrote:Really? You think there's scum among the other three players in the game that are suspecting afatchic? No offense but "No !@#$". (from a townie point of view)
Juls exaggerated her case. You didnt. Period. You are ignoring my reasons, why?Artem wrote: still don't understand why you think Juls's attacks have less merit than mine or Crazy's. You'll notice that the other two players suspecting afatchic (me and Crazy) think her case is fine.
Your vote on Slicey was crap. Why didn't you just ask for a prod?Artem wrote: @Crazy: I'm having a hard time understanding your distancing/strong connection argument.
Also, Crazy, if you were to be lynched right this second, who would you viggie?
Oh, Tajo, my scum-meta is absolutely horrible. I've only won as scum twice, and neither of those I came even close to deserving. (But thanks anyway, though I'm not sure when you ever saw me as scum.)Tajo wrote: About Crazy. I have played games with him and I know I should be careful with him if scum. As town he is helpful but until now I cant feel that I could call him obv town or slightly town. His attacks to afatchic didnt help and Im willing to hear more from him.
You'reTajo wrote:Just for you all know here are the current possibilities I have in mind. We are starting with the premise that I know Im town and that there are big probs that afatchic is town, too.
1. Juls is scum. Still deciding weather Crazy or Artem is the other pair. Im leaning to this prob right now.
2. Juls isnt scum, just hyper agressive townie. Crazy and Artem are using her as a way to get afatchic lynched. Afatchic vigs Juls. GG. Remote possibility but still possible.
Can you ALL show your current possibilities?
This.afatchic wrote:Okay so lets all pretend i get hammered, and i'm a vig. who would you want me to vig?
Why would scum ask us something like that?Crazy wrote:Yeah, I didn't see that as anything remarkable. What makes you think that has to come from town?