Open 124 (2:10 Bugs Bunny -- GAME OVER) before 761

[Cephrir]

Yeah it is, could call Zackrulez and picking up on stuff like that is very townish

1. No, it's not.
2. It's not really a good idea to point out who you think is protown, IMO.

C:\>votecount

Running VoteCount

TM

Empking - 4 - roflcopter, dejkha, Giuseppe, Cephrir
Grimmy - 3 - Grimmy, Empking, millar13
millar13 - 1 - Zachrulez

zwetschenwasser - 0
Pablo Molinero - 0
Giuseppe - 0
dejkha - 0
Zachrulez - 0
Cephrir - 0
roflcopter - 0
AndyTony - 0
madeofphail - 0

Not Voting: zwetschenwasser, Pablo Molinero, AndyTony, madeofphail

With 12 players, it takes 7 to Lynch.

[Giuseppe]

Oh, xoops, my bad. I was only counting town players in the player count. Please disregard my stupid mistake.

[madeofphail]

Vote: millar13

Reason:
Millar13 said in post 6:

Hate people that self vote.

Often a trait of either someone with a power-role or mafia.

Therefore.

Vote: Grimmy

Millar13 said in post 17:

However, voting for yourself is never a good stance in Day one. Can often be effective in the day 3 though.

Contradiction: Millar13 states that self-voting is a scumtell, then says it is helpful.

Self-voting is never useful to your faction. Millar13 is encouraging self-voting to the common faction,which is town. In conclusion post 17 is encouraging anti-town acts, and is therefore anti-town.

[madeofphail]

Oh, xoops, my bad. I was only counting town players in the player count. Please disregard my stupid mistake.

If we disregarded mistakes, we would be throwing away evidence

[Zachrulez]

Often a trait of either someone with a power-role or mafia.

My problem with this, other than the fact that it's completely unsound as a reason, is that Millar reasons that a self voter is likely to either be a power role or mafia.

Now... we only have 1 power role in this game, and it's a doctor. I see potential doc hunting with his pursuit of this vote.

Right now, I would like to know more about why Millar thinks a self vote is a trait of anything... other than the fact that it's generally considered bad play.

[Giuseppe]

@Phail- the only evidence you'd be discounting is that I can't count. *XD, pun*

On Millar's behavior: I too agree that self-voting doesn't indicate anything other than a comical or self-destructive attempt at discussion-sparking this early in the game. It's simply not good play, nothing else is really associated with it.

[madeofphail]

@Giuseppe: I was just making a side comment, I realise that a slight numerical error in this case does not make one scum.

@Zachrules: I am confused as to how self voting will help in hunting the doc.

Side note: Doc should never out himself in this game. He/she is the only pro-town power role in this game (or power role at all for that matter). If he/she reveals himself/herself that practically assures that person to be nightkilled.

We do not want the doctor to die. The doctor helps us. The scum want to kill the doctor. Thus, it could be said that attempts to root out the doctor are anti-town.

[Zachrulez]

@Zachrules: I am confused as to how self voting will help in hunting the doc.

*Sigh*

I think you should re-read post 29. Do it more carefully this time.

[millar13]

I meant self-voting is not good on Day 1.

But can be considered to be a better stance to take later on in a game.

There is no contradiction there.

It doesn't elicit that I am anti-town, as the fact remains no one who is Mafia would actually divulge such a stance at this moment in time.

[Zachrulez]

I meant self-voting is not good on Day 1.

But can be considered to be a better stance to take later on in a game.

There is no contradiction there.

It doesn't elicit that I am anti-town, as the fact remains no one who is Mafia would actually divulge such a stance at this moment in time.

How is self voting a good stance ever?

[Giuseppe]

How is self voting a good stance ever?

QFT.

[dejkha]

Vote: millar13

Reason:
Millar13 said in post 6:

Hate people that self vote.

Often a trait of either someone with a power-role or mafia.

Therefore.

Vote: Grimmy

Millar13 said in post 17:

However, voting for yourself is never a good stance in Day one. Can often be effective in the day 3 though.

Contradiction: Millar13 states that self-voting is a scumtell, then says it is helpful.

Self-voting is never useful to your faction. Millar13 is encouraging self-voting to the common faction,which is town. In conclusion post 17 is encouraging anti-town acts, and is therefore anti-town.

There is no contradiction. He gave different situations. But in any case, I am curious to hear how self voting can be helpful.

[millar13]

Often in a later situation of the game, if you do an initial self vote and then not long after someone else votes for you and they have no previous reason for doing so that assumption can be made that this second person is scum.

Self voting on at a later stage, is a called Scum Baiting.

How stating has earned me 2 or three votes I do not know. Nice to see that dej was reading it all though.

[zwetschenwasser]

Vote: Empking

We need MOAR Emp votes.

[Zachrulez]

Why?

[zwetschenwasser]

Don't even ask that question.

[dejkha]

Have you played with Emp before? If so, then it should be obvious. If not, I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time before you find out why.

[millar13]

someone on a game I was briefly in, told me the best person to follow in day on is a guy called zwetchenwasser...and seeing as I am now in a game with hm

Unvote Vote: Empking

had to be done

[Giuseppe]

How many votes does he have now? We shouldn't quick-lynch him, even if his reputation precedes him.

[Zachrulez]

Have you played with Emp before? If so, then it should be obvious. If not, I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time before you find out why.

Once in Open 120... but I was lynched so fast in that game, that I never really got a chance to interact with anyone much at all.

[dejkha]

someone on a game I was briefly in, told me the best person to follow in day on is a guy called zwetchenwasser...and seeing as I am now in a game with hm

Unvote Vote: Empking

had to be done

That person lied. But it's never a bad idea to vote Emp, so I guess it's acceptable this time.

[Zachrulez]

someone on a game I was briefly in, told me the best person to follow in day on is a guy called zwetchenwasser...and seeing as I am now in a game with hm

Unvote Vote: Empking

had to be done

This is lynch -1

Explain yourself.

[millar13]

He has six votes...seven will see him lynched.

[Giuseppe]

He's not exactly what the Town would call useful...

I believe Emp's on L-1 or L-2, if lynch is to 7.

[Giuseppe]

Unvote

Vote Millar13

What were you thinking putting him on L-1?