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[Grimmy]

/confirm

Vote: Grimmy

for holding up the game!

[Grimmy]

wow. 3 votes on me already.

hmm...

I suspect everyone on the Grimmy bandwagon.

i think at least 2/3 of them are scum.


grimmy
not sure about that sexy third guy though

[Grimmy]

Sex third guy? That mean me? If so please don't be a guy lol

Not you, me. I love myself, and quite often. hence my gaps in posting sometimes due to carpal tunnel syndrome. and all this typing hurrts my hands as well.


On this topic, My dad once said to me
"Son, if you dont quit all that damn masticating, you'll go deaf and blind!"

to which I replied:

"Dad, im over here!"

Grimmy

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but...but....you said you were scum!

I feel so used...


Grimmy
crying in the bedsheets

[Grimmy]

Fair enough. I haven't seen a self vote in RVS in any of my games, so I wouldn't know. Maybe I'll do a meta on you just to make sure

for the RVS self vote:

I stole the idea from Nashira, who does it as policy.

I did it to amuse myself.

Also, I understand why andy voted the way he did. It seems he was on the fendce either way and the discussions towards voting millar convinced him to lean towards the vote.

I didnt think millar was suspicious enough for a vote, so I didnt vote him.
I dont think Andy is suspicious enough for a vote, so Im not voting him.
I will also not vote for Empking based on his playstyle, which has been consistent with other games.

If I find some suspicions elsewhere, Ill let you know.
Right now, I just wanted to quickly share some thoughts on a few players that stood out over the last couple of pages i had a chance to read.

Grimmy

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Rofl was on to something, I believe that this was the reason that the scum killed him.

Vote: Giuseppe

I disagree.

I know from playing with him in other games that he is a very good player.

I have also seen where the scum would target one townie in order to make another townie look guilty.

fos: Phail

I suspect that is what you are doing if you are really scum.
not convinced, but suspicious.

Grimmy

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Can you please explain why at this point in the game, you have such a signature still? It slightly contradicts the fair nature I appreciate from you, you understand.

It's my signature, so it shows up in every post I make in every game. It's not specific to this game.

Why, based on your sig, do you know Emp is 100% worthy of being lynched (not necessarily scum, which is worse)? What is that based on in this game? How is losing another towny best for the town, and if he is not town, then why?

Emp has to be lynched. When judging his own play, he's unreadable. Meaning, he could be scum and we wouldn't be able to tell because he's known for being scummy (and for his constant OMGUS and him being distracting and confusing to town). It would be irresponsible and dangerous to let him live the whole game. The earlier the better. He plays the same way every game, so I don't judge him specifically in each game unless, by some miracle, he does something different. His lynch isn't a matter of 'if', it's a matter of 'when'. I've said this in other games, so it's not specific to this one.

question

Putting aside Emp and his "unreadability", is there anyone else who seems scummy to you? (or more readable as town)?

Grimmy

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no. U.

Grimmy
was feeling left out of the banter.

See you all monday or wednesday

[Grimmy]

I'd also like to hear from Grimmy.

I hate when there are douche bags that do what he's doing-

join a game and never play.

The day started after I went home. I am away from computers during the weekends. Today is monday, so Im checking in.

and for the bold part.

Grow the **** up junior.

Grimmy

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I understand your case, but the most I'll give him is an FoS for now.

Here's some more blatant dej scumminess.

Are you ever going to say why or are you just going to repeatedly quote what I said and say it's scummy?

I wouldn't be surprised if Zwet flipped scum. I'm probably the biggest threat to him because I've, on many occasions, supported his and Emps utility lynch and I'm pretty sure every game I've found something scummy about him, so if he were scum it would make sense that he would want me out of the picture. I assume he would've done it better though.

Also, isnt this the reason why Zwet wanted Emp killed so badly?

FOS: Zwet

[Grimmy]

I'd also like to hear from Grimmy.

I hate when there are douche bags that do what he's doing-

join a

game

and never play.

The day started after I went home. I am away from computers during the weekends. Today is monday, so Im checking in.

and for the bold part.

Grow the **** up junior.

Grimmy

I don't give a damn when the day started. Every

game

I've been in with you (which only amounts to about 2), you almost never post and when you do it almost never helps. It's every

game

day, not just today. Of the top of my head, I can only think of one good post you made this entire

game

and it was when you said MoP could be framing Giuseppe.

wah wah wah.

cry me a river....build a bridge...and get OVER it.

i think you forgot the parts in bold...it may help lighten you up a bit.

if not, we will try hugs...but with my luck...your allergic to chocolate too.
(Hugs are a hersheys brand of candy with both white and milk chocolate, fyi)

Grimmy
now has two goals in this game..
Win with the town.
Piss of Dej as much as Grimmily possible.

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dej has been completely useless and unhelpful and nasty.

with the exception of the nasty, i'd disagree.

however, I was reading the death of Empking and im torn on this one.
Dej was pushing for Emp's death for which reason(s)?

- Emp wasnt being helpful to the town, so he had to go
- Emp did not defend himself when put at l-1, so he had to be put out of his misery
- His general Empking sucks Policy
- he is scum and knew Emp was not, so he wanted to push for his death when it would be a hidable lynch (Hidable lynch- pushing for a lynch of a townie, when you are scum, when there is enough blame to spread around so you can hide in plain sight)
- to get the game into the next day, for the sake of information

getting people to activly vote is not unhelpful, but it can be a scummy tactic if enough of the town are sheepish enough to follow with whatever bandwagon is going on at the time. This is especially true in the beginning stages of the game when not many people have strong leads as to who to suspect. This would put the scum at a better position later in the game, as they kill off townies without being blamed for it.

His agressiveness with the emp lynch is what bothers me a bit. I need to see if he was as aggrasive with other townie lynches.

Grimmy
and on a side note
@ Dejypoo: neener neener neener (completely un-game-related, but fun)

[Grimmy]

Grimmy - no need for that man - we can all be civil. Or at least try to lol

<-puts away his wet willy finger.


fine....


Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Multi-post as I read the game back to front GO.


Looking at the lynches and gameplay

My top 3 suspects are in no particular order:

Cephir
Zachrulez
MadeofPhail

Cephir was still noticably absent from the emp lynch, and I think this was done purposely.

Zach seems to be flying onto the wagons of people he would know are townie, and so did phial. (see my above arguement about Dej, because this applies to them as well)

Dej, while nasty and offensive, seems to be agressivley town to me. (dammit) So I will have to look into my three stooges of suspicion stated above for now.

Grimmy
narrowing his search so you all know where I am right now.

[Grimmy]

There hasn't been a single game I've been in with Emp where I haven't pushed for his lynch. Normally I push the hardest. Feel free to check the meta.

Im in the meta. and the push for him since day 1 is what pushed me more towars thinking you were town.

[Grimmy]

^blatant antitownness.

dude. you are doing the same thing everyone got on empking for.

Stop it.
I know you can post more support to your reasons, so why are you choosing not to?

Its funny...but up to a point.


moreso to me because of other games, but still. its adding to your suspicions.

grimmy

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If you'd care to respond to what I've already said on that subject, feel free.

I will be looking into it. thanks for the heads up

Also, I have no idea how you can possibly agree that dej is useless. He's like the most active and useful player in the game.

I DISAGREED that Dej was useless. I only agreed that he was nasty about it.

Grimmy

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@Grimmy - I understand you being away on weekends and the timing of nights and lynching being sporadic, but can you please explain your activity? We would dub it as lurking, but with so few posts and even fewer relevent posts (outside of joking, that is) - there hasn't been a lot of scum hunting from you. When you find time to get back to Ceph, could you clear that up please?

quick check in to explain

I work in a place where im in press every other week, so my free time wanes every week or so. when I stay late, i try to check this site just to give me abreak from trying to figure out why such and such stock has suddenly turned from gold to poop and if it will recover.

Grimmy
reporting to you from NYC inthe superman building

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hammer time amigos

Vote: Zwet

and the game moves on

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Baaaa...

redneck sense ...or something...tingling!

Ill read more later in the week.

Grimmy
busy so heis doign a quick monday check in

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Also, Grimmy. There's no way in hell to get scumtells on him, he never says anything no matter what his alignment is ever. But the fact that I'm not seeing obvious scum and don't even have more than one solid suspect makes me think he's a fairly likely scum.

Using that same line of logic, I post my rebuttal.

No. U.


Grimmy
dropped down to that level.

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My top 3 suspects are in no particular order:

Cephir
Zachrulez
MadeofPhail

While one of them flipped town, I still want to take a better look at the other two, and I shall do so as the week goes on.

Grimmy
cut and pasted the above from an older post

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I find the idea of a no lynch at this point in the game to be VERY scummy.

any chance of hitting a scum is better than no chance at all.

This is a scum tactic to try to whittle us down and I do not like it one bit.

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Vote: Dejkha

We lose a townie with a nk, regardless of a lynch or no lynch.

1/3 is better than 0/3 any day.

No lynch CANNOT help us at this point. All we have to go on is our votes to eliminate scum, and by not using it, we are letting the scum win.
You are also basing part of this on the idea that the scum would target a lurking player over an active one. This is incorrect. Scum would have more to gain from the more active players who are scum hunting rather than the lurking players who do not contribute in comparison.

I am voting Dej over Phail on this one because Dej is more experiences and should know better than phail would. I also have major suspicions of Phail as well, and this could be a plan devised by them to have the newer person suggest a no lynch so he could fall back on the shine of his newbieness.

I think the scum are dej and phail, so I will go for the leader of the two (more experienced)

Major FOS: Made of Phail

I fully expect and welome the arguements that my not being around somehow disqualifies what I am saying. I am declaring now that this would be a distractionary tactic by the two mentioned above in order to detract from my arguement.

Grimmy

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Triple-Post-Fu

I also agree with Zach on the chances of a doc protect.

if we go to a no lynch, the doc has five choices to choose from. (1/5)

if we lynch a townie, it still gives the doc better odds at protecting a townie (1/4)

If we can catch a scum, it can extend our chances by an extra day with the following

night 1 scum 4 town
- scum kills town, we have 1 scum, 3 townies, we have one more chance to find the last scum.
-scum fails to kill, we get two chances to find the scum. At this point, we can also have our doc claim who he protected that night, narrowing our choices to either
- 1 of 2 if the scum does not fake claim a doc role
- 1 of 2 if the scum fake claims, as one will be real and the other will be fake. This also helps is the scum doesnt send in a kill, because if they claim a doc role after not sending a kill, the real doc will claim, once again bringing our choices down to 2. we will have 3 confirmed townies then, and even if we mislynch the doc, the two remaining townies (after one is NK) can lynch the last scum and we win.

Im sure there is more to add, but im out of time. So ill check in a bit tomorrow.

Grimmy
will repeat this
DO NOT LET A NO LYNCH HAPPEN

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I think it would be more accurate to say:

6 people total.

2 Unknown Scum and 4 Unknown Innocents.

1 Nk.

2 Unknown Scum and 3 Unknown Innocents.

1 Doc Claim.

2 Unknown Scum, 2 Unknown Innocents and 1 Confirmed Innocent.

Why would you rather guess scum from 5 other people rather than 3 other people?

flaws in this.

If the Doc is NK'ed or does not make a succesful protect, then the claim is still useless, and we lost an extra chance to lynch scum.

Im still shaking my head on this no lynch idea.

one last note to phail, the newbieness is more towards not have played the game as long as others. it is not a reflection on anyones intelligence, or lack thereof. No offense intended. [joke]If you had been playing longer, you would have realized that [/joke]

Grimmy
gone till monday

[Grimmy]

Lots of fun, guys! - hope to play with you all again!!

(Except for Grimmy)

Fixed it for ya.

HEy dej, any way I can get you to put this in your sig?

Grimmy
wouldnt feel right not playing in a game with Dej

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Put what in my sig? What I said or what you said?:

"Grimmy
wouldnt feel right not playing in a game with Dej"

I originally meant the Anyone but Grimmy thing, but how about this...

Grimmy is like a faulty light socket. You should avoid playing with it at all costs.

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To grimmy: I apologize for calling you hypocritical, as I myself was a hypocrite. I do not expect forgiveness, and feel free to tear me a new one and the suchlike. However, I am slightly suspiscious of you for acting in a way that seems rash and panic-like to me.

NO apologies neccesary. I take all things in stride with these games (see my sig request on dej for example.)

My rashness was that I thought I saw a slip up so I ran with it. Ah well. It was worth a try, and was better than any other leads I may have had.

Id have picked cephir, but i didnt see the Andytony case.

but at least I know I would have been targeted for a night kill if we DID go to no lynch.

Grimmy

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@phail: Stop it already! You! Are! Not! Bad!

Seconded.

You posted quite intelligently this game, and other than taking things to heart, your a very good player who I would want on my team in another game, either town or scum.

Grimmy