Mini 753 - Really Deep South (Game over!)

[neko2086]

Ugh. Now I'm really confused. I did jail ABR, and early on too. That's why I didn't believe rofl right away, but then the thing about ABR talking to the mod was pointed out, and I thought that's what rofl was referring to...

rofl must have checked out abr before I imprisoned him, or I was roleblocked.

Haven't jailed anybody yet. Again, didn't jail rofl as he didn't look like an obvious target. Why would I think he's an obvious target when I jailed ABR?

[DrippingGoofball]

a. Instant actions: like kills and cop investigations.
b. Rest of day actions: like block, or protect. Take effect from the time the action is submitted, until the end of day.
c. End of day actions: tracker or watcher receive results, other special roles may have choices made at end of day.

Is neko still lying, or am I missing something?

[farside22]

Ugh. Now I'm really confused. I did jail ABR, and early on too. That's why I didn't believe rofl right away, but then the thing about ABR talking to the mod was pointed out, and I thought that's what rofl was referring to...

rofl must have checked out abr before I imprisoned him, or I was roleblocked.

Haven't jailed anybody yet. Again, didn't jail rofl as he didn't look like an obvious target. Why would I think he's an obvious target when I jailed ABR?

Simply put reading the game and all. ABR was scum yes. rofl outted him.
Ergo rolf looks so town it makes my teeth hurt. Day 2 you had an action and you chose not to use it? Are you really serious?


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Please lynch the scum.

[neko2086]

I should have just had myself replaced. I really didn't have time to think things through very well.


In case you don't lynch me,

I'm requesting replacement

. Even when I do get back, I don't think I have the time for this anymore.


Ciao.

[farside22]

It's possible looking at DGB's quote that it would explain the action of why rolf. A couple of issues I have at this moment. I feel 2 people are scum with a possible 3rd at this point

Korts/ tajo (very high)
charter
volkan

Volkan stated the following:

I'd forgotten all about Panama...until now :Evil:

On the other hand, I am firmly of the view that Millers should claim as early as possible (and this is early enough).

Easily believes without question the miller claim.
charter found the discussion unncecessary and Korts believed it as well. None of these 3 have hammered Neko at this point and none are voting for him.

[vollkan]

I gave a reason too. Prevent fakeclaiming fabrication.

I've already addressed that reason.

And yes, delaying in time does give scum more time to plan a fakeclaim. But, I would argue, that said cost (which is actually fairly minor, given that scum can and do plan in advance and that it isn't exactly something which requires real-time days of contemplation) is more than offset by the cost of jumping into a lynch too quickly.

Simply presenting one positive aspect of a course of action in no way serves to justify it - because you also need to look at countervailing factors.

I argue that the increased credibility of a fakeclaim is worse than a quicklynch.

You didn't argue that. You have asserted it. How about explaining it?

Scum will never target a miller. Find me even one case where it has happened. No town protective role is wisely spent on a miller. There are virtually no roles worse than a miller. No other town power is well used on a miller.

I agree, and I don't think protecting him played a big role in neko's reasons, going by what he has said.

2. The target will be roleblocked (bad if town, good if scum)
Yeah, what are the chances that a scumgroup is going to have their fake miller carry out a kill on Day 1, when there's a chance of a tracker roaming around?

Well, there is a line of scum logic which would say that it would be better to have a fake miller who is already marked as hypo-scum commit the kill than have a relatively "clean" member of the scumteam commit a kill and be caught.

All I get from copter was this:

ok guys, abr is lying about his roleclaim, time for a lynch

I took this statement to mean he looked into ABR that night. Interesting enough if he see's ABR doesn't that mean that Neko didn't lock him up?

Goes to look up reporter.

Good find; it seems my defending of the claim was misplaced.

Easily believes without question the miller claim.

Not true. The position I took here concerning miller claims was entirely consistent with my meta-position on such claims. I treat them as complete nulltells.

Anyway, hammer time.

Vote: Neko

[DrippingGoofball]

Bumpy bump bump

[malthusis]

Where did RR go?

[Raging Rabbit]

Apologies everyone, had an exhausting weekend.

vote count 4

neko 4 (DGB, farside, malthusis, vollakn)
vollkan 1 (Tajo)

Not voting - Skander, charter, CarnCarn, neko

9 alive, 5 to lynch.

[populartajo]

Vote: neko.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote:neko.

Town : Tajo
Prob ToWn : DGB+, Skander,
Neutral : farside22, vollkan.
Prob scum: charter, Carn Carn, malthusis.
Will need to reread again after neko's flip assuming we are facing 3 scum team.

[charter]

DGB, what do you make of neko's claimed ignorance?

Ignorance of what, exactly?

K, so you think I'm much more likely to be making [my claim] up than to have made a mistake out of ignorance?

I better not say any suspicion against neko either, that would be a scum trick attempting to make myself look, whats the word... even scummier?!?!?

[Raging Rabbit]

Death scene

neko2086 was lynched. He was a jailkeeper.

End of day 2 votecount

neko 5 (DGB, farside, malthusis, vollakn, Tajo)

Not voting - Skander, charter, CarnCarn, neko

[Raging Rabbit]

Start of day 3

Morning ends March 19th, 7:04 am MS time.

Deadline is April 6th, 7:04 am MS time.

[farside22]

vote: tajo

Didn't like his hammer at the end. Didn't care for his predessor who was Korts. Felt connections between ABR and Korts.

[populartajo]

vote: tajo

Didn't like his hammer at the end. Didn't care for his predessor who was Korts. Felt connections between ABR and Korts.

Id be careful with that vote, farside.
Why didnt you like my hammer?
Whats wrong with me not caring about Korts?
Also, can you show me that connections?

[populartajo]

Town : Tajo
Prob ToWn : DGB+, Skander,
Neutral : farside22, vollkan.
Prob scum: charter, Carn Carn, malthusis.
Will need to reread again after neko's flip assuming we are facing 3 scum team.

This list is still accurate with some minor fixes after my reread.

[farside22]

vote: tajo

Didn't like his hammer at the end. Didn't care for his predessor who was Korts. Felt connections between ABR and Korts.

Id be careful with that vote, farside.
Why didnt you like my hammer?
Whats wrong with me not caring about Korts?
Also, can you show me that connections?

You voted without a reason. You replaced stating you were reading but never had any conclusion except a list.

See DGB's post about the interactions but I will give you more in a bit.

[farside22]

Here is the main thing he said about ABR.

No, DGB, I never said that a miller claim=confirmed town. To me it makes no immediate difference regarding alignment. I don't "trust millers with my money" but neither do I trust anyone else in this game with it.

So get on with actually relevant scumhunting instead of going off on tangential policy lynches.

I smell scum bussing with his vote on ABR. Korts kept his distance the whole conversation when ABR was being asked. He didn't question the claim.

Tajo instead of a list how about reason's. I think a list without reason is a poor attempt from you.

[populartajo]

vote: tajo

Didn't like his hammer at the end. Didn't care for his predessor who was Korts. Felt connections between ABR and Korts.

Id be careful with that vote, farside.
Why didnt you like my hammer?
Whats wrong with me not caring about Korts?
Also, can you show me that connections?

You voted without a reason. You replaced stating you were reading but never had any conclusion except a list.

Didnt have much time and mood to make a wallotext post with a decent lynch near. Thought/still think that it is much better to do a better reread knowing neko's alignment.
This makes me scum why?[/mech]

[populartajo]

Here is the main thing he said about ABR.

No, DGB, I never said that a miller claim=confirmed town. To me it makes no immediate difference regarding alignment. I don't "trust millers with my money" but neither do I trust anyone else in this game with it.

So get on with actually relevant scumhunting instead of going off on tangential policy lynches.

I smell scum bussing with his vote on ABR. Korts kept his distance the whole conversation when ABR was being asked. He didn't question the claim.

Tajo instead of a list how about reason's. I think a list without reason is a poor attempt from you.

Soon.
I actually agree with Korts here. ABR's succesful lynch wasnt due to the fact he claimed miller, it was due to a point Skander (IIRC) brought to the table.

[charter]

It's totally farside+vollkan.

vote vollkan

[farside22]

vote: tajo

Didn't like his hammer at the end. Didn't care for his predessor who was Korts. Felt connections between ABR and Korts.

Id be careful with that vote, farside.
Why didnt you like my hammer?
Whats wrong with me not caring about Korts?
Also, can you show me that connections?

You voted without a reason. You replaced stating you were reading but never had any conclusion except a list.

Didnt have much time and mood to make a wallotext post with a decent lynch near. Thought/still think that it is much better to do a better reread knowing neko's alignment.
This makes me scum why?[/mech]

You are typically more vocal about who is scum and why when you are town. So I've noted.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's totally farside+vollkan.

vote vollkan

farside??? Why farside?

[farside22]

It's totally farside+vollkan.

vote vollkan

farside??? Why farside?

Because I'm on to something. Come on vote tajo with me.