Mini 756: La Cosa Nostra - Over!

[PhilyEc]

ack farzil@srsv['[~#@*^&%$&']]]]]]]]]]]].

Mod, fix meh quote above please T_T

[ThAdmiral]

@ThAdmiral

You seem to think Finch has lied but with all thats gone on I'm a bit confused as to what he did. Was it about the post restrictions? Please elaborate for myself and those possibly interested in knowing what you're getting at.

Yes it was about the post restrictions. He said that the mod made him speak the way he was. He admits he did this as he says he was trying to perform a gambit, which I also believe was a lie.

I just realized something. AF did, in fact, not lie about having a post restriction...

What do you mean? Mod made me. Trying my best. You are bad man.

It seems like he's saying that the mod is making him talk like he is. However, take a look at the post above it...

English is a nice language. Do you mind not butchering it?

I think what AF was saying was that the mod was making him use English, which was not his first language...instead of saying that the mod was making him speak in simple sentences.

That doesn't change the fact that he faked a PR, something that a town shouldn't have to do to garner reactions...I think I still like my vote, but that doesn't change the fact that the case on AF is now weaker.

Incorrect. If this was the case he would have just come out and said that rather than that he was trying to perform a gambit.

Why are you trying to cover for him?

@ porkens: Can you explain why you don't think you will be a target of the mafia given that you are a pro-town killing role?

[PhilyEc]

Seraphim: 2 (PhilyEc, Juls)
ThAdmiral: 1 (Atticus.Finch)
Porkens: 1 (Simpor)
PhilyEc: 1 (Porkens)
Ztife: 1 (PhilyEc)
Atticus.Finch: 5 (Seraphim, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Ztife)

Not voting: Trumpet

That is correct, right? I think its needed right now. Hope it helps~

[Ztife]

Philly, I don't think it matters that much if people thought who was mafia and such if there was sufficient reason. In fact, why not try to look for a reason finch had for accusing me or you of being scummy? That might help in terms of looking at his reasoning abilities and consistancy.

[PhilyEc]

Well in Finch's case, he accuses ThAdmiral of wagoning with poor reason.

I've asked ThAdmiral for his reason, if it is valid then doesnt that put Finch at a disadvantage. Also* People accusing you or me of being scummy usually provide reason(s). I dont agree with your post =\

I don't think it matters that much if people thought who was mafia and such if there was sufficient reason.

Not really getting what you mean here. Are you saying it doesnt matter much if people thought someone was scum for good (sufficient) reason?

[Knight of Cydonia]

The "Absolutely not stolen" Votecount:

Seraphim: 2 (PhilyEc, Juls)
ThAdmiral: 1 (Atticus.Finch)
Porkens: 1 (Simpor)
PhilyEc: 1 (Porkens)
Atticus.Finch: 5 (Seraphim, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Ztife)

Not voting: Trumpet of Doom, Archon

[PhilyEc]

Lies~

>:3

[Archon]

The "Absolutely not stolen" Votecount:

Seraphim: 2 (PhilyEc, Juls)
ThAdmiral: 1 (Atticus.Finch)
Porkens: 1 (Simpor)
PhilyEc: 1 (Porkens)
Ztife: 1 (PhilyEc)
Atticus.Finch: 5 (Seraphim, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Ztife)

Not voting: Trumpet of Doom,

Archon

*Coughcough*

[PhilyEc]

And I now see two votes by me

God PhilyEc cant even see who I'm voting for! >:[

*coughwhatanoobcoughlasttimeyoulltrustmeforacountcough*

[Ztife]

I don't think it matters that much if people thought who was mafia and such if there was sufficient reason.

Not really getting what you mean here. Are you saying it doesnt matter much if people thought someone was scum for good (sufficient) reason?

Rewrote.
I meant to say, it doesn't matter much who people thought is mafia, if there

wasn't

sufficient reason to back it up.

For instance, archon and finch. and possibly more but i'm too lazy to check it up now

[Knight of Cydonia]

Dunno what you're all talking about.

[PhilyEc]

Quadruple Vote: Knight of Cydonia for editing

Grr! >:[

@Ztife

Okay that makes alot more sense, I believe Archon doesnt know whats going on and I don't blame him, its very wishy washy behaviour in my eyes.

Sordros seems to be getting quiet as has Simpor. They laid down votes and now havent said a thing, me no likey.

[Simpor]

Unvote

Forgot to unvote earlier..

My opinion is still the same. When the deadline is up I will vote finch if nothing changes.

[Porkens]

@ porkens: Can you explain why you don't think you will be a target of the mafia given that you are a pro-town killing role?

First of all, maybe I'm lying and am really a Serial Killer. That could make the mafia hope I'd gun for a town.

Second, I'm statistically more likely to shoot a townsperson tonight, helping the mafia in their cause.

At any rate, I'll get one shot off at least, and that'll make me happy. But the town is better off knowing where that shot is coming from.

[Porkens]

Unvote

Forgot to unvote earlier..

My opinion is still the same. When the deadline is up I will vote finch if nothing changes.

What "opinion" is that?

[Seraphim]

Mod: I thought Phily unvoted?

At the moment, I think that Phily has explained himself. If AF flips scum, we need to look heavily at Phily for covering for his probable buddy. After deep consideration, I think an AF lynch is best for the town. Instead of actually going back and looking at reactions, he has instead been arguing with players.

While Ztife certainly looks scummy, lynching AF is currently the best judgement call as it will most likely confirm whether or not Phily is town.

[ThAdmiral]

@ porkens: Can you explain why you don't think you will be a target of the mafia given that you are a pro-town killing role?

First of all, maybe I'm lying and am really a Serial Killer. That could make the mafia hope I'd gun for a town.

Second, I'm statistically more likely to shoot a townsperson tonight, helping the mafia in their cause.

At any rate, I'll get one shot off at least, and that'll make me happy. But the town is better off knowing where that shot is coming from.

Mafia are likely to kill a vig or a sk just because of the threat they possess.
Basically you shouldn't have claimed.

[Archon]

Quadruple Vote: Knight of Cydonia for editing

Grr! >:[

@Ztife

Okay that makes alot more sense, I believe Archon doesnt know whats going on and I don't blame him, its very wishy washy behaviour in my eyes.

Sordros seems to be getting quiet as has Simpor. They laid down votes and now havent said a thing, me no likey.

Not a clue

[Trumpet of Doom]

I'm gunna go ahead and claim my role:

From: Knight of Cydonia
To: Porkens
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:06 am
Subject: Re: 756 replacement Quote message
Thanks.

Quote:

You are a Compulsive Vigilante.
You don't know who the scum are, but you do know you've got an itchy
trigger finger. You must submit a kill every night via PM, or you will
turn your gun upon yourself.
You win when the town wins, or nothing can prevent the town winning.


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Currently modding: La Cosa Nostra (Mini Normal)

Completed games: W/L/D or A
Scum: 3/4/0
Town 3/2/1
Other: 1/0/0

Gah, compulsive vigs. At least you didn't claim "and if you lynch me, you're gonna lose" like a couple I've seen - that seems to be one of the easiest ways to get yourself lynched, especially if you're claiming at L-1.

PhilyEc's post 193 is just... WTF? Seraphim's gone over a bit of my commentary, but I'll say it anyway.

I'd like to point out Seraphims behaviour when I suggested Finch might be fool.

Sera isolates the following part of my post

Since its a closed type game, role wise. Im gonna watch more first.
Could be anything really. Though this is my first proper game in Little Italy.

I know from more fast paced versions of this game that those with the role 'Fool' enjoy getting lynched.. Its in their objective.

What I said above the italics was that he could be anything thus the fact that hes acting so suspicious and earning himself a ton of votes indicates this could be his goal. I threw in a maybe, he made it seem like I was 'positive'.

...why in the world are you bringing Jester up?

I had brought up fool, you brought up the term Jester.

The role that you were calling fool is known here as Jester, if you haven't figured that out.

As for Finch, I'm assuming his role is one that's goal is to be lynched asap. I think its called the Fool. (Edit:Yes Juls, this is where I was mistaken about the goals of the role, suprised it earned me a vote though)

@Seraphim
Im bringing it up because roles are closed, doesnt that mean anything could go?

Or the Jester...and once again, I have to ask...why are you searching for the Jester? Are you trying to discourage his lynch already?

Again implies that I'm saying Jester when Im using the role fool as reference since the two are different!

Again, the role you describe is known here as Jester.

Well why else is he acting so obvious? It seems too easy a lynch to me. I'll discourage any attempt to lynch without proper answers.

Why would you want to see Finch go? What has he done exactly besides act like a caveman and lie? It obvious he'd get corrected so I'd say his role is fool or jester, or something similar, goal being to get removed.

Wouldnt it be a waste of a lynch to do so?

Trying to be diplomatic here, I say fool OR jester OR something similar (i.e. third party)

Best to kill him now.

FoS: PhilyEc for blatantly defending AF on the grounds that he might be a Jester.

Protecting our vote, and used the term once since you kept insisting its what I was saying. You're misleading the town and trying to draw suspicion on me and Finch at the same time, hence the votes and FoS's.

To address his claim that I was basing my defense of our vote on the grounds that its a waste to get rid of a 'Jester' I took the diplomatic route and used this word Sera kept insisting on;

I'm defending our first vote. Finch would be a waste of it.

How bout we try to find scum before we go lynching someone we know isnt scum,that is, if you agree with my theory that hes looking to be lynched.

We might have a clash of opinion here because I think identifying Jesters is important, it lets us identify Scum more easily.
Seraphim, you seem like you're in a rush to lynch quickly, getting rid of a 'Jester' on Day One instead of looking for scum seems redundant and ineffective.

As for Scum keeping around Jesters, I dont really get why, can you explain why thats an optimal strategy for them? Am I missing something here about how its good to lynch Jesters before looking for scum?

...didn't we go over this already? Jesters and other neutrals just get in the way at LyLo.

No, I never said that AF was a Jester. I'm saying that AF isn't a Jester and your blatant defending of him by saying he is a Jester is complete and utter crap. Of course I'm going to wait for him to defend himself but faking a PR is scummy, no matter what you say.

From the guy who was force feeding me this word constantly just so I'd start using it and then to pounce on me the second I do, I think its a bullshit way of finding anti-town. You insist my goal is to defend Finch even when I state otherwise and provide my logic behind that attempt and tell me that I'm saying hes a Jester.

There is a difference between a Jester and a Fool.

Not with the definition of "fool" you were using, there isn't.

I said Finch MIGHT be fool, for wanting to be lynched. This isnt utter bullcrap, why do you think this role isnt possible in a closed role game?

There's "possible," and then there's "remotely likely," and then there's "probable." Jester is "possible," but it isn't "remotely likely," as Seraphim explains in the very next thing you quoted:

Jesters are very unpopular on this site, and while it is possible, I find it very unlikely that he is a Jester.

Sera's quote is a reply to mine. 'What the hell' is all I can entitle it.

Are you just being dense here? All I have to say to that post is a

Vote: PhilyEc.

One last fact, A.F was put at L-2 pretty quickly. If he was town and looking so idiotic, it would have been easy for the mafs to quickly bandwagon and finish him off wouldn't it? Unless of course, he's maf himself. Which maybe also explain why this gambit thing quickly faded on attention/discussion.

Nobody hammer until we get some more discussion.

That's why nobody hammered.

Apart from Juls and Trumpet, from memory the rest have yet to post significant posts yet, mostly just riding bandwagons/opinions, but I will need to do a re-read to evaluate all the rest better.

So why are you not posting anything about Juls or me? My ego's not sure how to take this.

At the moment, I think that Phily has explained himself. If AF flips scum, we need to look heavily at Phily for covering for his probable buddy. After deep consideration, I think an AF lynch is best for the town. Instead of actually going back and looking at reactions, he has instead been arguing with players.

While Ztife certainly looks scummy, lynching AF is currently the best judgement call as it will most likely confirm whether or not Phily is town.

If AF is scum, I agree Phily's probably scum. But if AF's town, it's probably a nulltell, as I can see arguments both ways. He could be scum defending a townie to look more town himself, or he could actually be town who thought the reasoning for the Finch wagon was poor.

Mafia are likely to kill a vig or a sk just because of the threat they possess.
Basically you shouldn't have claimed.

Yeah, but he's town's only claimed power role. Any doc we have will have to protect him until and unless another PR claims or the doc dies. (Or unless someone is doing such a good job of scumhunting that scum virtually has to kill them.)

[Porkens]

@ porkens: Can you explain why you don't think you will be a target of the mafia given that you are a pro-town killing role?

First of all, maybe I'm lying and am really a Serial Killer. That could make the mafia hope I'd gun for a town.

Second, I'm statistically more likely to shoot a townsperson tonight, helping the mafia in their cause.

At any rate, I'll get one shot off at least, and that'll make me happy. But the town is better off knowing where that shot is coming from.

Mafia are likely to kill a vig or a sk just because of the threat they possess.
Basically you shouldn't have claimed.

Soooo, why did you ask?

[ThAdmiral]

Soooo, why did you ask?

because i wanted to see if you had a good reason for claiming, but you didn't.

Mafia are likely to kill a vig or a sk just because of the threat they possess.
Basically you shouldn't have claimed.

Yeah, but he's town's only claimed power role. Any doc we have will have to protect him until and unless another PR claims or the doc dies. (Or unless someone is doing such a good job of scumhunting that scum virtually has to kill them.)

we may not have a doc.

[Porkens]

Porkens wrote:
Soooo, why did you ask?

because i wanted to see if you had a good reason for claiming, but you didn't.

Well, I sure think I did.

[PhilyEc]

@Trumpet

I've made it very clear where the disagreement was at and you've warped it into an arguement of likelihood, I wasnt going 'What the hell' at his approximation of likeliness of Jester, I was using 'What the hell' at the term Jester being brought up constantly. Point given that the way I was describing fool was wrong but I was simply mistaken there.

Anyone who has read my previous post will most likely cock their heads at 218.

You're reaching for a reason to vote me. Either way, I support the idea Sera has, AF does seem scummy and if he turns out town I really dont mind being voted next, this games gone batty and I ain't havin' fun.

FoS:Trumpet

if lynching of me comes to be.

Unvote

if I havent already and

Vote:A.Finch

[Porkens]

Unvote, Vote: Finch

[Seraphim]

That may have been a hammer.