That doesn't make it any less incorrect.rokovoj wrote:I did mention earlier that you had been my second choice.
Jazzmyn, as I see it, there's a major flaw with deliberately trying to sow confusion. You claim to have been trying to confuse scum, but the thing is, in this game it would be impossible to limit confusion to only scum. This not only makes it a bad plan, but dangerous. How would you be able to control who gets confused by what?Jazzmyn wrote:What I was doing, actually, was deliberately trying to sow confusion in order to make up for your repeatedly and blatantly telegraphing to the scum who the masons might be.
And I think it worked, since dejkha missed.
Regards,
Jazz
Your response is below. You claim that you voted for Cool, because you didn't like the unexplained wagon. But if you look at your quote posted above, that's not even close to what you said... you came out and said dejkha 'thought zwet was scum.'MadCrawdad wrote:@dej/nic
Recently, you've both appeared to speak for the other. Why would either of you would feel comfortable in doing so?nicoliosgotpolio wrote:I don't like it either, not at all. Just because he pressured zwet doesn't mean he's scum. It means he thought zwet was scum.
Vote: Coolnessdejkha wrote:I think she was only hesitant to vote Zwet because it would've been a hammer and didn't want to unless everyone was ok with it, which seems understandable to me.
Now here rok asks younicoliosgotpolio wrote:I posted that because I didn't like the unexplained wagonwagonwagon
Here's your response to rok. Apparently claiming that you weren't avoiding her, but instead got distracted by Crazy.rokovoj wrote:I want to lynch dejkha. Let's have more voting of dejkha. Before we kill him, though, I want to nicolios to stop ignoring me and tell me what she thinks about him.
In looking at how Crazy might have been distracting you, though, this is all there is. It's not like you and he had been fighting tooth and nail, and had spent so much time attacking and defending that you didn't have time to address anything else. There were just four short posts saying that you wanted to lynch Crazy, but not giving any real reasons.nicoliosgotpolio wrote: Oops. I guess I was distracted by Crazy.
Hold on, I will in a minute.
nicoliosgotpolio wrote:unvote, vote crazy
I'm not thinking youremason.
Sorry about my typing and stuff. I'm on my iPod because the computer isn't worki g well and I'm sick in bed. So I might be a little V/LA also for a few days.
nicoliosgotpolio wrote:I don't think he's protown at all. That's why I'm voting him.
nicoliosgotpolio wrote:I really want Crazy lynched.
When you did give thoughts on dejkha, you said this.nicoliosgotpolio wrote:Why is no one else voting him?
Nic, even you removed your vote when Cool claimed mason. You didn't find it slightly odd that dejkha didn't? Even though his own vote was on Cool, he said in a couple of posts that nobody should hammer (and anyone who did was possible scum). That didn't even put dej on your radar?nicoliosgotpolio wrote:I really don't see any reason to vote for him. I haven't seen anything REALLY scummy from him. Idk, he seems fairly genuine.
No. The post below your text didnt have anything to do with coolness. You got that completely wrong.Your response is below. You claim that you voted for Cool, because you didn't like the unexplained wagon. But if you look at your quote posted above, that's not even close to what you said... you came out and said dejkha 'thought zwet was scum.'
I'm good with that. I would like to hear Jazz's response to the outstanding questions before casting a vote, though.rokovoj wrote:MCD, what do you think of lynching one of Jazzmyn or nicolios today, and lynching the other one tomorrow?
Who was that post addressed to, then?nicoliosgotpolio wrote:Your response is below. You claim that you voted for Cool, because you didn't like the unexplained wagon. But if you look at your quote posted above, that's not even close to what you said... you came out and said dejkha 'thought zwet was scum.'No. The post below your text didnt have anything to do with coolness. You got that completely wrong.
It had to do with mhy I was hesitant to vote Zwet.
Now that I think about it, you're right. It isn't very pro-town to leave your vote on a mason. But I guess I didn't catch it at the time.
Obviously, I cannot control who gets confused by it, but it was a calculated risk that I thought should be taken in the circumstances for the benefit of the town as a whole.MadCrawdad wrote:Jazzmyn, as I see it, there's a major flaw with deliberately trying to sow confusion. You claim to have been trying to confuse scum, but the thing is, in this game it would be impossible to limit confusion to only scum. This not only makes it a bad plan, but dangerous. How would you be able to control who gets confused by what?
Why don't you read the thread instead of pretending to have asked questions that you had not actually asked and instead of pretending that I have not addressed the reasons for doing what I've done? I voted Coolness on March 5 for the reason stated in my vote post (and for reasons not explicitly stated which I addressed in that post as well) - I certainly wasn't expecting him to freak out, self-vote, and claim mason as he did - and I unvoted him in my next post.Crazy wrote:You still didn't answer the question, Jazz... Why did you go after Coolness/IH instead of dej?
I hope you are not suggesting that the standard for townies is to always be correct in their choices of targets. If that is the standard that you wish to impose, it's not only ludicrous but it makes you just as infallible as me (and everyone else). Glass houses and stone throwing come to mind.rokovoj wrote:Even though Jazzmyn apparently targeted people with the intent to scumhunt, it doesn't change the fact that her choices were off.
Now, you're just parroting, rokovoj. Don't do that. You're a better player than that.rokovoj wrote:I don't like the "purposely sowing confusion" defense for reasons MCD already stated. I don't like the no-lynching suggestion. I don't like calling the scum cowards and I don't like her explanation of why she did it.
Who is this "you guys" and who is this "us" of whom you speak? And, as an aside, appeals to emotion such as this are not at all helpful.rokovoj wrote:I also don't like her attitude towards us once the wagon started building on her. 'You guys don't understand this game is not regular mafia, your reasoning is so superficial, etc etc.' I lied when I said that post didn't influence my opinion of her, but I didn't realize until now, haha. It's odd considering that just a post or two before she had congratulated us for successfully finding dejkha-scum.
As I've already said, I don't mind dying, but this is an utterly ridiculous post. There is a grand total of one scum left, so saying that you "would probably be convinced that both of them were scum" if it weren't impossible looks very much like scum trying too hard to look town.rokovoj wrote:If we hadn't already had too many mafia deaths to make this impossible, I would probably be convinced that both of them were scum, but I can only pick one, and at the moment I would rather lynch Jazzmyn.
Your stated first instincts about which of me or Nicolio is more likely scum were more accurate than what you've posted subsequently, but again, I don't mind dying so the order really makes no difference. Actually, I would just as soon be lynched first if the town is dead set on lynching me.PhilyEc wrote:Proposing we lynch Jazz first and Nico second (second lynch if necessary).
Anyone. I was putting it out there, about why I was hesitant to vote zwet and why I may have appeared to be buddying.Who was that post addressed to, then?
I'm not saying that townies should always be correct. It just didn't make sense for you to target the people you did, for example, ThaCoolness. Crazy gave good reasons for looking at other people first, yet you still went after ThaCoolness.Jazz wrote:I hope you are not suggesting that the standard for townies is to always be correct in their choices of targets. If that is the standard that you wish to impose, it's not only ludicrous but it makes you just as infallible as me (and everyone else). Glass houses and stone throwing come to mind.
I was summing up the case for PhilyEc. It would probably be better to acknowledge that MCD said that instead of rephrasing what he said.Jazz wrote:Now, you're just parroting, rokovoj. Don't do that. You're a better player than that.
I think you're misreading my post, or purposely reading it in a way to try to frame me as scum. What IJazz wrote:As I've already said, I don't mind dying, but this is an utterly ridiculous post. There is a grand total of one scum left, so saying that you "would probably be convinced that both of them were scum" if it weren't impossible looks very much like scum trying too hard to look town.
There's a bit of a flaw in this in that uhhh.. hohumJazz wrote: It is entirely possible that hohum did not target her on Day 1, and possible that he faked making it look like he was going to target her in order to inoculate her from suspicion.
Jazz, sorry if you mentioned this before, but could you please quote the times you deliberately sowed confusion? I looked over your posts and nothing seems blatantly like that.Jazz wrote:Obviously, I cannot control who gets confused by it, but it was a calculated risk that I thought should be taken in the circumstances for the benefit of the town as a whole.
In your post 467 you cited, though, one of the reasons you accused IH was that he intervened in the argument between me & dejkha... which was already "odd enough." By "odd enough" I assume you mean that the case was so stupid that it wasn't worthy enough to pronounce dej as scum from it, right? But doesn't that contradict your earlier suspicion of dej?Jazz wrote:As for IH, I explained some* of the basis for my suspicion on him in my post #467. Did you miss that? Do you disagree with it? (*some - because there were other things that I didn't post because doing so would potentially compromise the town's interests, but anyone who reads the thread carefully can figure out what they are and why I didn't post them at the time)
As for dejkha, I certainly would have voted for him on Monday had I been here during the day when the pages of posts following Coolness' death transpired, but I cannot post from work (I work for government and I am required to abide by a very strict Internet usage policy) and by the time I got here on Monday night and caught up on the pages of posts that had transpired in the interim since my last visit on Sunday afternoon, he was already dead.
I said it before: I don't think we should be looking at possible masons as scum until that's our only option left. I think that the scum should be forced to decide to kill one of us in the end, and we shouldn't help them out.Jazz wrote:Also, to the town, after my demise, please consider the possibility that rokovoj could also be the last scum. It is entirely possible that hohum did not target her on Day 1, and possible that he faked making it look like he was going to target her in order to inoculate her from suspicion. Please keep that in mind after I flip town and if, by some fluke, nicolio also flips town.