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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:19 pm

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Gorrad wrote:I don't travel the site outside games much, so I know nothing about your drunk reputation. I'll take it at your word.
Try any other game as well.
I'm calling you out as scum because at least when they did post, Plum and Malyss contributed. Lurking isn't a scumtell at times (flameaxe, for example), but in a mini where the next day could be LYLO and there's an opportunity to contribute and someone's knowingly not doing so, I find that scummy.
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List your contributions before post 291. I want to see it, seriously.
What? Im freely admitting I havent contributed much, now your wanting me to list it. Im so confused, i think you must be as well.
I said that there was a sure chance because I didn't want to give my role. Now that I've been forced, I'll tip my hand. I took JK. If I hadn't, they could have gone for Hasd and had a 100% shot of win (keep in mind that Bad Horse's ability only works for people targetting Malyss). Now I've managed to make it so that that chance's reduced, but there's still a HIGH chance that they'll find a way around it. You, Ruck, can protect yourself. Malyss has a chance to be able to. Hasd's protect would kill himself, so if he's town we can't rely on that. That leaves my JK as our ONLY chance to survive if we mislynch today someone other than Porochaz.
Of course thats if your town, which I severely doubt.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:23 pm

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Master Ruck wrote:An accurate vig kill (if town) could balance it out
There will be no vigging tonight. Was that not clear?
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:53 pm

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Yosarian2 wrote:Gorrad: Although, you saying we should lynch prozac because of his role makes me a little nervous, because you role is almost as dangerous.

I mean, if you are scum, then you could lynch prozac today, take his role tonight, and auto-win for the scum tommorow, couldn't you?
The auto-win you suggest here would depend heavily on who else dies tonight. Scum only win if they have an equal or majority rule that cannot be denied in any way. An accurate vig kill (if town) could balance it out or Plum's one-shot governor does not give the scum an instant win come tomorrow. Even if poro does die before tomorrow, I'm finding it hard to see the game ending there and then.
As I said, no vig killing.

You are right, though, that if the govenor is pro-town (and paying attention) he could possibly prevent a "1, 2-3" quicklynch using a double voter-scum and one other scum. Well, not necessarally; the scum could probably try another quicklynch after that, but the town might be able to quicklynch one of the scum first, I guess. Or something.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:18 pm

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Porochaz wrote:
5. He has contributed nigh-nothing to the game.
I have answered the questions asked of me. I have placed a vote, I have stated WHY Ive placed a vote. I am stuck in this rut with you now where you are trying to stick a case to me with absolutely nothing. The big thing thats happening at the moment is you trying to lynch me based on what is essentially lurking and non contributing.
I think my actions of late are proving you very wrong.
Do you expect me to ignore what your saying and carry on with a random road of enquiry when I actually think your scum. I think that would be counter intuitive.
This is you saying you have contributed. Not you freely admitting you haven't.

I don't recall inebrity coming up in any of our other games. Of course, there's a strong chance I'm forgetting, but again I'll take your word on it.
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:54 am

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Im saying since Ive come back I have been taking a majority of my time within this game. I havent been back long but Im hoping Im able to keep my activity up.
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:00 am

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I agree with the no-vig policy for this evening. I'm sorry that I've not been around much. I've been having issues between the bronchitis and my spine turning on me and not being my friend lately.

I'm hoping to reread and make a better contribution this evening.
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:59 pm

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People's inactivity feels like a spork's being driven into my leg. Hilarious!

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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:00 pm

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Sorry to double-post: Do y'all realise that deadline is Saturday?
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:19 pm

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Extremely busy, will be back before deadline, hopefully if people have made post, Ill be able to make a post tonight
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:50 am

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Gorrad wrote:Sorry to double-post: Do y'all realise that deadline is Saturday?
I want to hear from the people that aren't actually saying anything.
jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
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jdodge1019: thus he is a cow
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:53 am

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hasdgfas wrote:
Gorrad wrote:Sorry to double-post: Do y'all realise that deadline is Saturday?
I want to hear from the people that aren't actually saying anything.
Oh, yeah, agreed.

Also, if you were going to vote for someone right now, has, who would it be?
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:40 am

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Is that a general question or just to cow?
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:56 am

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Well, I'm specifically interested in Cow, but yeah, I'd like everyone to answer as well.
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:52 am

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Gorrad.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:13 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:
hasdgfas wrote:
Gorrad wrote:Sorry to double-post: Do y'all realise that deadline is Saturday?
I want to hear from the people that aren't actually saying anything.
Oh, yeah, agreed.

Also, if you were going to vote for someone right now, has, who would it be?
probably Gorrad, but I'd consider Porochaz, even though Gorrad is preferred.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:44 am

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Is there a case against me other than my not taking tracker?
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:42 pm

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Gorrad wrote:People's inactivity feels like a spork's being driven into my leg. Hilarious!

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Ooops. Sorry about that, y'all. Just a shout out right now, telling you that I'm going to do a brief reread and hopefully come back with some useful analysis.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:08 pm

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Apparently I have discovered this...

I am drunk.
I do my best scumhunting whilst drunk
Gorrad is scum.

Therefore I win and Gorrad is scum. I want to kniow where Glork is.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:21 pm

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Here I am. Notes and rambles as I go through stuffs.

Basically:

I still am not comfortable with Gorrad's claim that he didn't take a role because he was afraid he'd get NK'd - but more importantly, I think it's a bad sign that I understood more than he claimed to have from
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Role PM. It just seems to reek of . . . something which might be feigned stupidity. On the other point:
Yosarian2 wrote:So, basically, Gorrad's actions there just make more sense from a scum point of view then from a town point of view. It's not a slam dunk; foolish as it is, I've seen some town make the mistake of being overly worried about the nightkill to the point where they didn't play as well as they could have been in order to avoid the kill; but that's just bad stratagy. Basically, it's a strike against Gorrad, no question.
I agree with Yosarian2.

If we lynch someone other than Gorrad, I support Gorrad taking the info role of his choice - I don't think him announcing it would help anyone but the scum - but, you know, please put some thought into it.

Yos has pointed out that we're at - hey aren't we at five on two? In that case, a mislynch would cause 4:2 going into Night and 3:2 assuming the scum NK isn't blocked. Another missed shot (Vig, Weak Doc death) would be scum auto-win. Thus it does seem pretty clear that attempting such should not be on our agenda for tonight.

I'm not entirely comfortable with Gorrad's vote on Porochaz. We're about a day off of LYLO. Gorrad says he's 'cynical enough' to believe we can't find a way to be sure of a good lynch today and therefore votes Porochaz to remove the Doublevoter as a harsh LYLO scumpower and to get rid of a 'useless lurker'. Personally I'd rather go beyond a lurker lynch. Scary power is, in fact, scary, though. As Yos, again, I agree that we shouldn't lynch him because of the Role by any means. He does have to step up to the plate and convince us he's fairly trustworthy.

Gorrad posts an amusing ditty. Flavor points but no townie points. Moving on, let's see if Porochaz posts something relevant. The case boils down to lurking, lack of contribution, active lurking, and posting while drunk, and the fact that he's too dangerous if he's scum. The first is a null-tell, the second two are quite moderate scumtells, the fourth is (correct me if I'm wrong) a nulltell for Poro at least, and the last one isn't so much as an attack but a statement based on assumption of Poro's guilt. Not quite as strong as the Gorrad case, especially considering the fact that as Yos, again, pointed out, Gorrad could gain that power and help the scum spedlynch tomorrow if he's scum and Poro is lynched - he's almost as dangerous as he claims Poro is.

Master Ruck mentions my Governor ability. I'd just like to clarify - I can either preemt a lynch before someone is lynched or cancel a lynch after the lynch number has been reached but before the lynch scene is posted, yes? In that case, how best to go about preventing a scum speedlynch if they have enough votes to do it? I have some thoughts but if there's something I'm missing here it's best to say? My ability is used up in the open anyway.

Oh, Gorrad claims he's taken the JK ability, so never mind on theoretically taking Poro's ability, if he's telling the truth . . . I'll have to think a bit longer on what to make of that. Unless you can explain whyit would be a bad idea to do so, Gorrad, will you please clarify when you took the JK ability and why, please? I found the post in which you claimed to have done so to be somewhat unclear. Thanks.

In conclusion: Gorrad is scummiest in my mind and quite frankly my preferred lynch. Deadline appears to be Saturday. Unless some stuff changes I'll probably prefer to be voting Gorrad. If I'm very lucky I'll get the time to do a brief reread on some players before deadline, too.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:00 pm

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PLUM!!! I see you.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:19 pm

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POROCHAZ!!! I see you too.

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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:59 pm

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...looking now, I see that both Yos and Porochaz as scum could lose us the game when I'm lynched. Here's hoping they're town. Because unless they're both town, my mislynch will lose us the game.

I was stupid. I didn't take a power role when I should have. Whoopey. People make mistakes. Make another case against me. Anything. You don't like my case against Porochaz? Fine. Find someone better I could make a case on. I'm certainly not making a case against myself, and the vast majority of people have been gone all. Frikkin. Day two.

In fact, I offer a challenge. One person make a better case on anyone other than me than I did on Porochaz. I DARE y'all. Before you string me up for a bad case on Porochaz, which I still think it wasn't, consider that it was all of y'all's lurking which gave me nothing better to go on.

I'm being strung up because I made a mistake with my role and am scummier than the one other person I've seen make an ATTEMPT at being active in this game without being called out on lurking, Yos. Vocal people have more things that can be used against them. It stands to reason he or I would be on the block, because we're pretty much the only ones saying anything.

The people who are scum here aren't me. They probably aren't Yos or Cow (Who's had a good reason for inactivity). The scum are in Porochaz, Ruck, Malyss, and Plum- the first of whom said barely a word until called out, the second who's at least said SOME things (though not much comparitively), and the other two who have 6 and 7 posts D2 respectively. Keep in mind that of Plum's seven, they were over a total of three days- the 15th, 22nd, and 5th. Three days of activity in this game, on the third just jumping on to the leading bandwagon. If Porochaz isn't lynched today, let's make it Plum.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:19 am

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Now, here's something I don't fully understand. The case against Gorrad does seem to be based around him not picking up the tracker role at any time. Yes, there is a bit of controversy here, but it's still basically discussing his role and what he should have done. Then there's porochaz who, if scum, would basically end the game for us yet everyone is saying they don't want to lynch him based solely on his role. Why are we allowed to lynch Gorrad because of his role but not porochaz?
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:22 am

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Master Ruck wrote:Now, here's something I don't fully understand. The case against Gorrad does seem to be based around him not picking up the tracker role at any time. Yes, there is a bit of controversy here, but it's still basically discussing his role and what he should have done. Then there's porochaz who, if scum, would basically end the game for us yet everyone is saying they don't want to lynch him based solely on his role. Why are we allowed to lynch Gorrad because of his role but not porochaz?
There's a difference between "X acted in an anti-town way with his role, that means he's more likely to be scum" and "Y has a role that, if he is scum, could be risky, so we should lynch him just in case".

In a smalltown game, all roles are assigned randomally, so just HAVING a certain role does not at all change your odds of being scum; it might increase or decrease the risk/payoff ratio to the town of lynching someone and all that, but today, I really think that we need to lynch scum, so I'm not so interested in that today.

On the other hand, what you choose to DO with your role can very easily be a sign telling us what you are trying to do, what your goals are, and therefore, what your alignment is. You see the difference?
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:26 am

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Ok, yeah, I think I see that. Now Gorrad has publicly said he has taken the jailkeeper role. Does this not say anything of him? This subject seems to have been skipped in conversation so if this does say anything people have failed to mention it and almost disregarded it when continuing to call Gorrad the lynch of the day.
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