Mini 753 - Really Deep South (Game over!)

[DrippingGoofball]

I believe charter tried to silence you first and foremost. Any reason you keyed on korts?

It was an error. Only charter tried to actually silence me. Korts is merely a miller lover.

[charter]

Where did charter try to silence anybody? I question a contradiction from DGB and useless questioning from farside. Even after I do this they still go on about it and I say nothing about it.

All I said about the claim was it's a null tell to me. If ABR acts scummy enough to get lynched, then we just won't have to wait for a claim.

DGB, why would you say 80% of miller claims are fake then not go after ABR? What percent are you shooting for day one?

Farside, what was the point of all your questioning about games with millers in them?

LOS
vollkan
DGB
Elvis/farside

[elvis_knits]

I think we can discuss the miller claim and pressure vollkan at the same time.

LOS
vollkan
DGB
Elvis/farside

I agree on vollkan, but not the rest.

[farside22]

I asked ABR someone questions because he didn't claim on his first post and wanted to know more about why he claimed when he did and why he didn't claim in his first post.

unvote:
vote: volkan

[elvis_knits]

I'm still interested in this, vollkan:

As far as I can tell, the only reason vollkan thinks korts is scum, is because korts is voting vollkan. And that's no a good reason to be that sure.

EK is also treating me as serious.

I can tell some of it's joking, but all of it? You're not at all serious about anything you're saying? You are not taking the wagon seriously when you are at L-2?

Were you saying you weren't taking the wagon on you seriously, even though you got to L-2?

Some time has passed and you're still at L-2. Do you take it seriously now?

[elvis_knits]

I asked ABR someone questions because he didn't claim on his first post and wanted to know more about why he claimed when he did and why he didn't claim in his first post.

unvote:
vote: volkan

Oh, Vollkan, you're L-1 now. Taking it seriously?

[charter]

I asked ABR someone questions because he didn't claim on his first post and wanted to know more about why he claimed when he did and why he didn't claim in his first post.

unvote:
vote: volkan

... I asked why you were questioning about games with millers in them. It had nothing to do with the fact that ABR claimed miller. So, what was the point of all the questioning games with millers in them?

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, why would you say 80% of miller claims are fake then not go after ABR? What percent are you shooting for day one?

Does it look like I have a prayer of convincing anyone? Everyone seems to be pretty set in their opinions, I'm clearly the odd one out, and even the mildest challenge is met with obstination.

BTW, the case on vollkan is complete rubbish, he's at minus one, yet he keeps his cool. He's probably being bus'ed pretty hard and he's taking it for the team.

The only case against vollkan is that he's being bus'ed.

Another game cracked open on day 1 by the Goofball.

[charter]

Ok, that was about the only acceptable answer I could think up that you could give.

He keeps his cool? Please, he's barely posting. If you think he's being bussed, why would you care if he gets lynched? The only lynch acceptable day one is of town? Is of scum but only townies voting for scum? No lynch? I really don't see what you're getting at.

[charter]

Oh, another thing. How is you not acting on getting ABR lynched because no one will be convinced by you different than you saying Elvis is scum for claiming scum and nothing will change your mind, but you do vote for her?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, now that you've made your entrance, could you share some thoughts on who you think is scum?

I will come back to this once you've posted your read on at least 3 players. Except for one post, we have seen nothing but one-liners (or two) from you so far. I've played with you before Neko, and I think you can do much, much better.

[DrippingGoofball]

He keeps his cool? Please, he's barely posting.

That's how I define that he's keeping his cool.

If you think he's being bussed, why would you care if he gets lynched?

I don't. Did I say I care? He's at minus one, so I'm not going to hammer without a claim.

The only lynch acceptable day one is of town? Is of scum but only townies voting for scum? No lynch? I really don't see what you're getting at.

Babble babble. I think it's pretty obvious. Tar is scum being bus'ed. Maybe you're confused because I said that his case is rubbish. It is. But that's how I know it's bus'ing. It's rubbish, and yet people sound sooooo sure. Die scum die, hang vollkan, let's get back to lynching vollkan... but it's not because the CASE itself is rubbish, that vollkan is town, and that the wagon is bad. Scum knows that the first wagon on Day 1 almost never leads directly to a lynch, so it's the best place and time to start bus'ing. Do you get it, now?

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh, another thing. How is you not acting on getting ABR lynched because no one will be convinced by you different than you saying Elvis is scum for claiming scum and nothing will change your mind, but you do vote for her?

You are asking because you think these are two similar things? Erm, how?

[DrippingGoofball]

elvis is a good wagon and I'd join if vollkan hadn't made an obvious scumreaction in his first post.

This is actually really true. I hadn't actually read the other random votes before laying the perfect trap.

unvote, vote vollkan

I call bus'ing.

[neko2086]

It's page 6, still pretty early, so all I'm asking is that we get something more than "Hi, I'm the miller" from you. I know you wanted to claim early, which makes sense to me, but I'm just hoping that's not all we get before we get too far along here.

We also need CarnCarn to put himself out there. I just really don't like getting too far into discussion w/o everyone having put themselves on the line to some extent, lest someone be sitting back and watching the action take place. This is why I didn't like rofl's comment, which basically allowed him to stay on the vollkan wagon w/o drawing too much attention to it.

Also, ABR, are you saying my one-liners are void of content or use? Do you think there's no utility to being concise when asking certain questions or making certain comments?

You'll get more from me soon, don't worry.

[elvis_knits]

He keeps his cool? Please, he's barely posting.

That's how I define that he's keeping his cool.

This is what I was getting at by asking him why all his defenses were joking and not serious. I mean, who gets to L-2 and doesn't take it seriously? I'd be peeing my pants. The coolness has got to be an act.

[charter]

Oh, another thing. How is you not acting on getting ABR lynched because no one will be convinced by you different than you saying Elvis is scum for claiming scum and nothing will change your mind, but you do vote for her?

You are asking because you think these are two similar things? Erm, how?

Elvis- No one took her seriously, except you. You voted for her saying you wouldn't unvote until she was lynched.
ABR- Claimed miller, you say he's scum. You don't vote him.

Both times you seem quite sure the person is scum, both times you have reasons for doing so that won't convince anyone else, but you only vote for Elvis. You seem to let ABR off the hook, why?

[farside22]

I asked ABR someone questions because he didn't claim on his first post and wanted to know more about why he claimed when he did and why he didn't claim in his first post.

unvote:
vote: volkan

... I asked why you were questioning about games with millers in them. It had nothing to do with the fact that ABR claimed miller. So, what was the point of all the questioning games with millers in them?

DGB claimed that 80% of miller claims were scum I wanted proff. I dont' want to see her use this as a reason for voting someone without something valid as a future actions or reason.

[neko2086]

DGB, if you think the vollkan wagon is nothing but rubbish, why are you just bringing this up now? Do you have arguments against the points brought up against him that would help convince us that they're rubbish?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's page 6, still pretty early, so all I'm asking is that we get something more than "Hi, I'm the miller" from you. I know you wanted to claim early, which makes sense to me, but I'm just hoping that's not all we get before we get too far along here.

We also need CarnCarn to put himself out there. I just really don't like getting too far into discussion w/o everyone having put themselves on the line to some extent, lest someone be sitting back and watching the action take place. This is why I didn't like rofl's comment, which basically allowed him to stay on the vollkan wagon w/o drawing too much attention to it.

Also, ABR, are you saying my one-liners are void of content or use? Do you think there's no utility to being concise when asking certain questions or making certain comments?

You'll get more from me soon, don't worry.

I'm still navigating through different possibilities. You know neko, I may be known as little else than the miller to you now, but from my perspective, you are known for little else than just one more person attacking volkan. I am not attacking you. It would be hypocritical for either of us to request immediate and expansive contributions from the other. I think everyone enjoys some space to reflect, go through a couple scenarios, and post their suspicions when they are ready to expose their findings. This is my experience. And since Really Deep South is my only non-newbe game, it has my full attention. (I don't play more than one game at a time now).

[neko2086]

It would be hypocritical for either of us to request immediate and expansive contributions from the other. I think everyone enjoys some space to reflect, go through a couple scenarios, and post their suspicions when they are ready to expose their findings.

I completely agree. I'm not trying to say otherwise. It's too early for a well-thought out and comprehensive analysis, but this game doesn't go anywhere unless everyone at least sticks their toes in the water, and I'm just trying to make sure you're not still sitting on the shore.

You say you're not attacking me, but you were pretty quick to dismiss my one-liner posts. Are one-liner posts always useless or contentless, and if not, were mine?

[DrippingGoofball]

He keeps his cool? Please, he's barely posting.

That's how I define that he's keeping his cool.

This is what I was getting at by asking him why all his defenses were joking and not serious. I mean, who gets to L-2 and doesn't take it seriously? I'd be peeing my pants. The coolness has got to be an act.

Peeing in your pants in a first wagon, on Day 1? Now I know your Achille's heel...

[DrippingGoofball]

Elvis- No one took her seriously, except you. You voted for her saying you wouldn't unvote until she was lynched.

I'd wager a dollar that no one took me seriously, especially elvis.

ABR- Claimed miller, you say he's scum. You don't vote him.

No. I said, in my experience, most millers are scum.

Both times you seem quite sure the person is scum, both times you have reasons for doing so that won't convince anyone else, but you only vote for Elvis. You seem to let ABR off the hook, why?

I've entered a difference phase in my menstrual cycle.

[Skander]

Farside: Can you answer the question I asked you before? What timing of the miller claiming implies town and what timing implies scum?


Where is Volkan?

[farside22]

Farside: Can you answer the question I asked you before? What timing of the miller claiming implies town and what timing implies scum?


Where is Volkan?

Someone claiming miller at L-1 would be most likely scum in my opinion. Someone who claims miller late in the day or the next day I would put in scum category.
First post with ability to answer grilling I put into a less likely scum category. With majority of game I have been in I consider a town claim. With few exceptions.