Open 120 - Rebels in the Palace - Game Over! before 756

[Citytube]

unvote
vote shinnen_no_me

I didn't sign up to be badgered to try to break the game. Especially by someone who must be hiding something, since their join date is less than a week ago but is obviously a seasoned player. Weird that a replacement player in this game has a site join date more recent than the game start, no?

[Empking]

Lynx: Why was it scummy, it would just be a distraction to rewspond to it as it wasn't a strong vote at all.

City: I dopn't thjink that's too wierd, I'm pretty suire I rep[laced in a game older than me. (F&E)

[Corvuus]

I still want a response from Shin but I was reading through something somewhere else (either a different game with shin or signups) and Shin and Magus are supposed to be the same person. So he didn't really 'replace' but rather just changed his name over/got a new account.

So please don't use that as a reason and even if Shin was 'completely' new, he may have experience in RL mafia or other places so 'join dates' don't necessarily mean much.

C

[Empking]

Lynx: Why was it scummy, it would just be a distraction to respond to it as it wasn't a strong vote at all.

City: I don't think that's too wierd, I'm pretty suire I replaced in a game older than me. (F&E)

[Lynx The Antithesis]

[quote="Empking"]Lynx: Why was it scummy, it would just be a distraction to rewspond to it as it wasn't a strong vote at all. quote]

So any vote that is applied to you that you believe isn't strong, sound reasoning at all, you can just brush off and not address it? Anytime anyone should present a case against myself then all I would have to do is ignore it and not defend myself on the basis that it's not a good case. You said your point against Shin was a definite scumtell. She just ignored your vote. Am I to take it that you condone that as well?

Unvote, Vote:Empking

In regards to the random lynching, I think we should leave that notion behind us. Discussion doesn't hurt and if we do happen to catch a guard we can use the events generated from discussion maybe to give us some clues as to which player is the king. Also, I think it takes away from the fun of the game overall to randomly select our lynch candidate.

[Empking]

By strong vote, I meant vote he'd stick with.

[zwetschenwasser]

Shinnen, this is a game, not a science. We want to use logic and brains to find the king, not mindless random lynching.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

By strong vote, I meant vote he'd stick with.

Even though he changed his vote in the post just before yours?

[zwetschenwasser]

lol! PRUFT

[Corvuus]

ok, i just have to ask, what does 'PRUFT' mean?

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Lynx: i don't understand your post. Could you clarify what you mean, since a literal reading of EMPking's response is: "blah blah, distraction if I respond to it as it was *not* a strong vote at all" is "blah blah, *not* a vote he'd stick with" and indeed it wasn't a vote Shin stuck with as you point out that he changed it without a reason or a response (and Shin's reasoning for new vote is basically the same as his original vote for EMPking).

C

[zwetschenwasser]

It's my invention: Posted Right Under For Truthery. It's my trademark, along with compulsive claiming whenever possible.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Lynx: i don't understand your post. Could you clarify what you mean, since a literal reading of EMPking's response is: "blah blah, distraction if I respond to it as it was *not* a strong vote at all" is "blah blah, *not* a vote he'd stick with" and indeed it wasn't a vote Shin stuck with as you point out that he changed it without a reason or a response (and Shin's reasoning for new vote is basically the same as his original vote for EMPking).

Good catch. Yeah I think I botched that up with my last post after reading over it again. I got a little confused about that when he said, "by strong vote I meant he'd stick with it." I thought he meant he didn't respond to it because he thought it

was

a vote City would stick with. Which didn't make sense. Yeah I messed that up now I get what he means I retract my last post.

Now that I know what he meant the fact that he ignored it still applies. He can say now of course after City unvoted that it wasn't a strong enough reason to respond to. I just don't understand how he thought it would be distracting to defend yourself from a vote on you or how he could have gauged that City wouldn't stick with his vote(It seemed serious enough to me at least).

I'll repeat this question again ,Emp: do you condone the fact that Shin just brushed your vote off? Perhaps she thought you wouldn't "stick" with your vote either. Does it make her scummier in your eyes?

[Corvuus]

... interesting. I assumed it was a 'QFT' type thing.

... that being said, you are on my 'list' for that. or at least explain what 'truthery' you are agreeing with.

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My attention and vote stays on Shin until I get a response for why random lynching is the "best" (Shin->post#73) or gives town the 'highest' chance of winning since I consider both to not be true.

Reasoning has been given before but short version is, discussion + guard lynch *can* potentially be gamebreaking.

Corv

[zwetschenwasser]

By strong vote, I meant vote he'd stick with.

Even though he changed his vote in the post just before yours?

[Corvuus]

yay crossposting....

ok, I get it now.

In the end of my post #84, I confused Shin and Citytube for some reason. weird.

I do think EMPking should answer your question Lynx but could you also respond on the fact that Shin has his 'random' vote on you still and what you think about Shin?

Corv

[sekinj]

Vote Count 4

(# of votes against) Voted Player - by Voter(s)

(0) afatchic
(0) BlakAdder
(0) Citytube
(0) Corvuus
(3) Empking - by Lynx the Antithesis, Numberfourteen, Trumpet of Doom

(3) Lynx The Antithesis - ortolan, Shinnen_no_Me, zwetschenwasser

(1) Numberfourteen - BlakAdder
(0) ortolan
(1) Qanqan - afatchic
(3) Shinnen_no_Me - Citytube, Empking, Qanqan
(0) Trumpet of Doom
(0) zwetschenwasser

Seven (7) votes to Lynch.

Mod Notes: Citytube has asked for replacement.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

I'm basing my reasoning of random lynching on this:

Post 1 - Rules

I know it's not exactly the same, but it shares some things.

And, regarding the random vote on Lynx, I had totally forgotten about that, so

Unvote

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[zwetschenwasser]

Me 2.

Unvote; Vote: Shinnen_no_Me

. After thinking about it, it would be quite easy for scum to manipulate any random lynch early in the day as long as they did it quickly.

[Corvuus]

hi shin.

do you think you could cite a specific part of the rules you are thinking of? (like the letter and number)

And I guess time for the big mindgaming question. *drumroll*

You favor "random" lynching, if town said we were up to randomly lynching you, what would you say?

Corv

[zwetschenwasser]

lol.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

hi shin.

do you think you could cite a specific part of the rules you are thinking of? (like the letter and number)

And I guess time for the big mindgaming question. *drumroll*

You favor "random" lynching, if town said we were up to randomly lynching you, what would you say?

Corv

The mod changed the link I posted originally, so let it be. If the town would want me to random lynch, go ahead. In fact, here:

Vote: Shin

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I do think EMPking should answer your question Lynx but could you also respond on the fact that Shin has his 'random' vote on you still and what you think about Shin?

I don't really find the random vote on me scummy because I usually leave my random vote on until I see anything suspicious as well, and the fact that (she/he?) is pushing for the random lynch doesn't suprise me that she still has it on. Now as for Shin oveall this game I don't think it's necessarily a scumtell to be so adament about random lynching. I think the whole "play to win" mentality she's trying to convey comes off somewhat fake.

Now, for the next big thing:the self vote. I'm never a fan of a self vote unless it's used strategically to hammer by scum to end the day. I don't like this because she's trying to look like she's so set on the random voting that she'll even use herself as the first test. If you're town it's not productive because we'll most likely not continue the random voting tomorrow and be down a townie with relatively little info. If you're scum you're definitely trying to get people to back off by looking like a martyr by using yourself as the first random victim. Either way it's not helpful and fairly scummy.

FOS:Shin

[Shinnen_no_Me]

True is, I really didn't like this setup, so I want to get lynched quickly... Replacement would be unfair with the newcomer, so I prefer being lynched.

[sekinj]

Seeking replacements for the following:

Citytube

BlakAdder

Shinnen_no_Me

[zwetschenwasser]

I think she said she DIDN'T want a replacement, sek.

Please communicate with the mod via PM if you have concerns.

It is unfair for all the players if one player wants to be lynched instead of asking for replacement. 4 of 7 votes is not close enough to a lynch to be unfair to the newcomer.