All players that make jokes about being scum in their first three posts are scum.charter wrote:She's either scum or lying. Either way...elvis_knits wrote:I am scum.
The Mod can lock the thread. My work is done here. Another game cracked open on page 1.elvis_knits wrote:I AM SCUM. THE OTHER SCUM MIGHT WAS WELL CLAIM NOW SO WE CAN COORDINATE ACTIONS AND WIN. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IF YOU ARE SCUM. CLAIM NOW.
Are you serious? You need to be shown games with fake miller claims?farside22 wrote:@DGB: Every game thus far except 1 all miller claims have been town. Can you link games where millers are scum?
Mini 703 (ongoing), so I'm naming it, but no discussion please. Natirasha claimed miller.farside22 wrote:Yes. I haven't seen a game with a fake miller claim except 1. You are saying 80% are fake. Out of all the games I played with a miller it is more like 90% are town.
708.farside22 wrote:Do you know of anyone scum before who claimed at the start of the day before?
At the top of my head, 7 or 8. I recall clearly being wrong about 2. One was a fakeclaiming townie of all things, maybe even BM... I just know after a while, I decided that I had seen enough miller fakeclaims and giving them the benefit of the doubt was a losing proposition.Korts wrote:I have never seen a fake miller claim. I have seen a truthful miller claim, if I remember correctly, twice. That's a 2 out of 2 in the other direction than you're suggesting. I have been around for more than a year so I have to ask: how many miller claims, fake or not, (approximately even) have you seen altogether?
Given your opinion, which is (surprising to me) shared by many others, how is the bolded part of your statement true? In particular, what kind of scrutiny are we speaking of here, if a player follows the 'rule' of claiming very early?vollkan wrote:My reasoning, if you want it, is basically that a Miller claim is not a viable strategy for scum - it prevents them from keeping their fake-claim options open and isguaranteed to place them under heightened scrutiny.
Are you questioning Miller Worship?roflcopter wrote:something about this game makes me think miller is not a terribly likely role
Well let's see. According to charter, players that question the Worship of the Day 1 Miller Claim are sketchy, according to charter. And players that question the players that question the worship, but not vigorously enough, are sketchy, too.roflcopter wrote:@dgb:
charter is town, y/n?
It was an error. Only charter tried to actually silence me. Korts is merely a miller lover.elvis_knits wrote:I believe charter tried to silence you first and foremost. Any reason you keyed on korts?
Does it look like I have a prayer of convincing anyone? Everyone seems to be pretty set in their opinions, I'm clearly the odd one out, and even the mildest challenge is met with obstination.charter wrote:DGB, why would you say 80% of miller claims are fake then not go after ABR? What percent are you shooting for day one?
That's how I define that he's keeping his cool.charter wrote:He keeps his cool? Please, he's barely posting.
I don't. Did I say I care? He's at minus one, so I'm not going to hammer without a claim.charter wrote:If you think he's being bussed, why would you care if he gets lynched?
Babble babble. I think it's pretty obvious. Tar is scum being bus'ed. Maybe you're confused because I said that his case is rubbish. It is. But that's how I know it's bus'ing. It's rubbish, and yet people sound sooooo sure. Die scum die, hang vollkan, let's get back to lynching vollkan... but it's not because the CASE itself is rubbish, that vollkan is town, and that the wagon is bad. Scum knows that the first wagon on Day 1 almost never leads directly to a lynch, so it's the best place and time to start bus'ing. Do you get it, now?charter wrote:The only lynch acceptable day one is of town? Is of scum but only townies voting for scum? No lynch? I really don't see what you're getting at.
You are asking because you think these are two similar things? Erm, how?charter wrote:Oh, another thing. How is you not acting on getting ABR lynched because no one will be convinced by you different than you saying Elvis is scum for claiming scum and nothing will change your mind, but you do vote for her?
I call bus'ing.charter wrote:This is actually really true. I hadn't actually read the other random votes before laying the perfect trap.Korts wrote:elvis is a good wagon and I'd join if vollkan hadn't made an obvious scumreaction in his first post.unvote, vote vollkan
Peeing in your pants in a first wagon, on Day 1? Now I know your Achille's heel...elvis_knits wrote:This is what I was getting at by asking him why all his defenses were joking and not serious. I mean, who gets to L-2 and doesn't take it seriously? I'd be peeing my pants. The coolness has got to be an act.DrippingGoofball wrote:That's how I define that he's keeping his cool.charter wrote:He keeps his cool? Please, he's barely posting.
I'd wager a dollar that no one took me seriously, especially elvis.charter wrote:Elvis- No one took her seriously, except you. You voted for her saying you wouldn't unvote until she was lynched.
No. I said, in my experience, most millers are scum.charter wrote:ABR- Claimed miller, you say he's scum. You don't vote him.
I've entered a difference phase in my menstrual cycle.charter wrote:Both times you seem quite sure the person is scum, both times you have reasons for doing so that won't convince anyone else, but you only vote for Elvis. You seem to let ABR off the hook, why?
You say she takes everything serious.vollkan wrote:As with her remarks on defensiveness above, EK is also taking everything as serious.
Why? What advantage is there for scum to claim MILLER, of all things, at minus 1? I'd really like yo know how this works. Are you suggesting that the scum wants to out the real miller before dying???? Or the town to back off such an awesome power role? What am I missing?farside22 wrote:Someone claiming miller at L-1 would be most likely scum in my opinion.
Elvis; don't forget it takes a long time to make up a really good fakeclaim. The whole team is feverishly working on it. I expect the fakeclaim will blow our socks off.elvis_knits wrote:And the whole time, never giving a genuine reaction to being at L-1. Mostly what you are doing is responding to questions without giving actual answers.
I smell deception.
ALSO:What? I saw you spill no beans.vollkan wrote: Since I am at L-1, however, I shall spill the beans (or, 99% of the beans)
We'll find out when we know vollkan's alignment. I suspect he served as a distancing board. Korts backing off after vollkan's 'non-claim claim' seems reasonable on one hand, but a calculated out, on the other. This is a nightless game. The scum daytalks. I see a possible sign of coordination here.elvis_knits wrote:What do you think the vollkan wagon accomplished?
I haven't answered. Let me simplify the question.farside22 wrote:No I'm just giving examples of who I would think is scum and the timing of the claim is mostly likely scum.DrippingGoofball wrote:Why? What advantage is there for scum to claim MILLER, of all things, at minus 1? I'd really like yo know how this works. Are you suggesting that the scum wants to out the real miller before dying???? Or the town to back off such an awesome power role? What am I missing?farside22 wrote:Someone claiming miller at L-1 would be most likely scum in my opinion.
BINGO. It's very very very sketchy.elvis_knits wrote:Korts was all about the vollkan wagon until now. I don't see what could possibly have changed his mind about vollkan.
DrippingGoofball wrote:Why would a scum, run up to L-1, claim miller. Please list the advantages for said scum to claim miller.
What was your purpose in putting him at minus one? Weren't you afraid he might be 'accidentally hammered?'farside22 wrote:I love bussing. Never will deny that but even I'm not stupid enough as scum to lynch a buddy day 1 with nothing behind it. I wanted to see a reaction from Volkan plus if comment was sarcastic. I'm curious to know why he is being sarcastic about being lynched. If he doesn't care or if he is scum.
Can you do this soon? I'm really looking forward to it. Like, with baited breath and everything.Korts wrote:...although I haven't yet analysed the wagon's participants properly yet.
I will rephrase.farside22 wrote: DGB are you telling me people don't ask for claims at L-1? I'm just saying if somoene was at L-1 and was asked to claim and claimed miller I would beat it was scum. I can't imagine a town person being that dumb.
What if the hammer came from a townie that didn't realize there was a wagon at L-1 on page 5?DrippingGoofball wrote:Are you kidding? If someone hammered without (1) waiting for a claim (2) having a good reason. I would be looking at that person tomorrow for lynch. Great way to catch scum. I doubt in this group there is dumb town or dumb scum, however.
She says that if a player claimed miller at lynch minus one, she would bet that the player is scum.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't get your line of thinking either ^^^
If it happens all the time, why would it surprise you?farside22 wrote:It would surprise me to see someone fumble when pressured. It happens all the time.
Eventually, yes, unless they're vig'ed earlier. Because you know they're not getting NK'd, ever. Only the town will eliminate a claimed miller. Do you disagree with this reasoning?elvis_knits wrote:DGB, do you think claimed millers should be policy lynched?
That's because you're not understanding/answering the question. If you had answered it the first time I asked, you would have spared everyone the tiresome twenty follow up questions.farside22 wrote:Plus I feel you are misrepresting the initail conversation and blowing out of poportion for no real good reason I can find thus far.
Oh yeah. We've got lots to work with already.elvis_knits wrote:I guess I agree when you put it that way. But I don't feel like lynching abr for his miller claim alone, when so many others are dripping with scum.
OH yeah???CarnCarn wrote:IIRC, Korts was the first person to push the case, and it was right out of the opening posts on D1. That makes vollkan and Korts more likely to be mutually exclusive as scum, to me, because that's not something I would expect scum to do.
QFTSkander wrote:miller has no need to talk to the mod and get annoyed at him.
Well at least we don't have to worry about a claim.Korts wrote:BTW that's L-2.
Skander wrote:miller has no need to talk to the mod and get annoyed at him.
Well we're not talking about affairs of the heart, here, just the game, haha.Korts wrote:Blasphemy! How can you of all people say that?DrippingGoofball wrote:It doesn't matter what rofl said
It would be fun if we could punish a player that everyone finds annoying, but I can't replace, I'm already in the game.roflcopter wrote:waiting for a replacement would be cruel to the replacement. somebody hammer.
OMGISvollkan wrote:Um...didn't Elvis just flip town?DGB wrote: The case against vollkan was rubbish, with such a quick wagon I'm thinking 'mega-bus' and I was thinking that elvis was in the driver's seat.
Your explanation wasn'tvollkan wrote:He abandoned it when I explained the basis of my behaviour was early-game pot-stirring. Frankly, I think it's a null reaction.I wrote: Kort's spinned a 180 on the wagon so fast his tires caught fire. This needs to be elucidated.
You need to fix'em tags.vollkan wrote:Unvote, Vote: ABR"]
Can you explain this in detail? It's all so intriguing.Korts wrote:I don't like the charter fake hammer, and the vollkan "messed up tags" hammer. Both seem like "ooh I wannawanna hammer tehscum" without the vote turning up in a vote count.
Hi Five!farside22 wrote:Farside will no longer doubt DGB.
Reasoning?roflcopter wrote:vote: neko
Yes, I've seen them, but how is it more scummy than some of the other scummy players? So many candidates, only one vote...roflcopter wrote:posts 223/227
I'm like a 1000-lb man at a donut buffet. I don't know from which end I should start gorging myself from.roflcopter wrote:waffling is not like youDrippingGoofball wrote:Yes, I've seen them, but how is it more scummy than some of the other scummy players? So many candidates, only one vote...roflcopter wrote:posts 223/227
She's on to ABR straight away. She gets a chocolate medal.elvis_knits wrote:elvis_knits wrote:Can I claim Miller? I claimAlbert B. Rampage wrote:quote="elvis_knits"]I AM SCUM. THE OTHER SCUM MIGHT WAS WELL CLAIM NOW SO WE CAN COORDINATE ACTIONS AND WIN. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IF YOU ARE SCUM. CLAIM NOW.Miller. I am not bulletproof so please refrain from shooting me on the spot. I will not name anyone so foolish and reckless as to shoot unprovoked, but you know who you are. I'm looking at you DGB. And you too, volkan. Although we are friends now, there is no telling if you still secretly want revenge for Peril in Panama.THIS IS A GOOD START. [...]
A fakeclaiming miller puts himself in a very awkward position, he can't really defend a buddy, since his own credibility is nebulous at best. WIFOM I know, but I think it's more likely for ABR to strive to get 'town cred' for defending vollkan if vollkan is lynched and flips town, and ABR, as a fake claiming miller, needed all the town cred he could get. That's why I knocked one scumpoint OFF vollkan for ABR buddying up to him.farside22 wrote:Question doesn't ABR defending volkan seem like scum trying to save his scum partner or do you look at it as more scum trying to appear town?
Yes, neko fakeclaimed.populartajo wrote:Anything important I should know?
Except vig.charter wrote:Scum will never target a miller. Find me even one case where it has happened. No town protective role is wisely spent on a miller. There are virtually no roles worse than a miller. No other town power is well used on a miller.
Ignorance of what, exactly?charter wrote:DGB, what do you make of neko's claimed ignorance?
Yes, between my excitement over how totally inappropriate it is to protect a miller, vollkan making himself appear foolish over defending charter's choice slipped to the back of my mind - as something that I need to think about. It's incredibly odd. Vollkan is tossing knuckleballs.charter wrote:Of vollkan's pushing that neko's reasons are valid?