Mini 729 - WaTR Mafia - Game Over!

[TonyMontana]

get it on

[afatchic]

my role pm specifically states i cannot be lynched today

[tubby216]

my role pm specifically states i cannot be lynched today

so wait afatchic is dead or not dead?

and i am stickin with vi for choice to watch,

i would not be a good choice for watch

[afatchic]

just found out the lynch immune part was a typo in my role... so bah go town.

[TonyMontana]

I support anyone who bolds watch right now

[Jebus]

Sorry about that. Clarification:

His role PM didn't say that specifically, but he asked about it and I got my notes mixed up with a game I'm running on a different forum (role name over there happens to be 'God' ). Sorry

So yes, afatchic is dead.

[freeko]

my role pm specifically states i cannot be lynched today

epic fail upon epic fail upon epic fail. Maybe using a different strategy would have helped you avoid this minor oversight.

i would not be a good choice for watch

I guess you can elaborate on this come day 3 if you are still around.

I will pull a korts now

WATCH

[Jebus]

Freeko has chosen to watch.

It is now Night 2. Send actions ASAP.

[Jebus]

Mod Cutscene 5

The night was ablaze with activity. Unfortunately for freeko, he fell asleep before it all happened.

Dawn arose, and with it, some interesting things have appeared.

On the ground surrounding the campsite, you find a bloodied staff, and an empty bottle of oil. You remember vaguely that these were held by Occam.

Occam, the Shepherd, was mugged.

Occam was a Shepherd who'd lost his sheep (Bo Peep).

In addition, you find the dead body of Juls out in the woods, though unharmed by wolves even in death.

Juls, a Wolf, has been stabbed to death.

Juls was a wolf, which is basically a mafia goon.

In addition, you appear to be missing someone else. You figure this is the same fate that has befallen on Occam.

BSG, unknown, has disappeared, and is likely dead.

It is now Morning 3. You are now faced with two seperate paths.

Path A, according to the map, takes you to a lake with a somewhat small shore area.
Path B seems a bit rugged, as it goes up and around a large, rocky hill.

The first person to bold Path A or B has made the decision.

[Korts]

Did you get anything in PM about the watch, freeko?

Also, I would vote Path A simply based on the flavour of lake vs. rocky terrain.

[Vi]

Well that answers a lot of questions. Good fencing @the JulsSlayer btw.

Now 4srs, does anyone have anything that would suggest that one path is better than the other?

The night was ablaze with activity. Unfortunately for freeko, he fell asleep before it all happened.

I sense this is why the Watch choice makes so little difference
Isn't anyone here a coffee vendor? [/joke]

[Rhinox]

I would go for path B. Rugged and up and over a hill doesn't seem so bad. Seems like wolves would have a hard time following. Also, on top of a hill, we'll have a better view of the surrounding areas. On the other hand, lake + small shore seems like we could get surrounded and backed into a corner with no escape pretty easily.

Seems like freeko is also an incompetent watcher. Doesn't tell me anything I wanted to know, however, because I did not want freeko to watch.

[tubby216]

so we can assume that the "taken away" or "disappearing" kills are wolves , and the stabbing is an sk/vig?

at least thats what i think so far i need to be less hungover and read a lil more

[freeko]

Well korts, at least I believe you now about the watch. Completely worthless red herring.

Good going to whoever pwnt Juls.

Seems like freeko is also an incompetent watcher. Doesn't tell me anything I wanted to know, however, because I did not want freeko to watch.

Its obviously a fairly worthless red herring, next one is all yours if you want it. Though take a look at this first.

And just an FYI, on D1 the path Kiro got from the mod was Path A.

Well, we know thats a lie, and pretty irrelevant. The path choice could be a red herring as well. Time will tell I guess.

Got a minute between class...I would say my top 3 are me->rhinox->BSG.

scum, X, nk target. Whats the blank in this equation class?

Why freeko? Before I thought Rhinox had shown interest in watching.

I would like for it to be Rhinox.

Something tells me he wants his teammate watching isntead of someone he doesnt know.

[Vi]

Based on the empty bottle of oil being among Occam's possessions, I think the watch would only have made a difference if he had done it (with a lantern, he would have been less likely to fall asleep, or at least see something).

I second Path B personally, but I'd like to hear if anyone (actually) has any idea of what's going on regarding the paths before anyone chooses one.

[Vi]

Leading wagons and wagons associated with Kiro/Juls:

BSG

-

Kiro

,

Occam

, Prom King (Page 4)

Lunar_Tick

- Rhinox,

MonkeyMan

, Rogue Shenanigans, Korts,

Kiro

(Page 5)

freeko - Korts, Rhinox,

MonkeyMan

, Sipylus,

Occam

(Page 6)

MonkeyMan

-

BSG

, Rhinox, freeko,

Occam

, raider, Sipylus, Korts (End of D1)

Prom King -

BSG

,

Juls

, Rhinox, Korts (Page 14)

Rhinox - Vi, freeko, Korts (Page 16)

Korts - Vi, Rhinox,

Juls

, freeko (Page 18)

freeko -

BSG

, raider, Korts (Page 24)

freeko -

BSG

, raider, tubby, TonyMontana (Page 29) (

afatchic

joins later)

afatchic

- Rhinox,

Juls

, Vi, freeko, raider, TonyMontana (End of D2)

Kiro

-

Occam

(Page 5)

Juls

- Vi (Pages 19 through 29)

Juls

- tubby (Pages 30 through 33)

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Table of replacements:

Rogue Shenanigans -> tubby
Spambot -> Sipylus -> TonyMontana
Prom King -> Vi

Lunar_Tick -> afatchic

Kiro -> Juls

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Observations:

I see Rhinox's name on this list. A lot. Which makes sense; me and him always wind up on the high-profile bandwagons
In all seriousness, I'm going to need to look over his interactions with me regarding Juls. I was so dreadfully lonely on that wagon for the longest time.

TonyMontana seems to like showing up at the end of bandwagons, as does his predecessor Sipylus. For this and being unconvinced of his D2 play, TonyMontana is my top suspect entering today.

I also see Korts' name on this list. A lot. Okay, I know there were only a few active players in this game at some point. What strikes me about Korts is that Juls hopped onto his wagon in quite the scummy way. This would lead me to believe that Korts is more likely Town... though I would like a fullclaim sometime to satisfy nagging doubts.

Scummy

TonyMontana
|
Rhinox
raider
tubby
|
Korts
freeko
Vi

Not Scummy

[raider8169]

Wow that was a busy night, unsure about all of it though. I have nothing to say one way is better then the other so it really doesnt matter to me. I will update more later as now it not a good time for me.

[Korts]

For now all I can say is that I completely agree with suspicion on Rhinox and support a lynch on him. I have some things to be clarified by the mod before I'm going to post more on the matter.

On the fullclaim you want, Vi, I can claim, but again only if there's a majority demand. I don't want to claim before my power is put to good use; it is a useful power, especially when looking at the mod-revealed information.

The path: I say Path A because the rocky terrain implies possible scripted deaths. The lake seems a safer choice.

[tubby216]

i vote for the shore path as well

[Korts]

For now all I can say is that I completely agree with suspicion on Rhinox and support a lynch on him. I have some things to be clarified by the mod before I'm going to post more on the matter

Turns out, after thorough discussion with the mod, that I won't be saying what I had intended to say after all. I'm gonna have to make a case the usual way I guess.

[TonyMontana]

Put me down for the shore..

Vi, I can't answer for what sypilis did, but I think you are overstating how I get on wagons. Personally, I would be more concerned of how korts seem to appear on every single wagon in your (conclusions excluded) nice compilation of votes.

Should we assume that the day-delayed reveal is just a part of the game, or is it possible that we (or someone) can do something to save the people?

Rhinox seems pretty keen on selling the idea of a mountain walk. Do you know something? (other then your profound flavour reasoning)

Why freeko? Before I thought Rhinox had shown interest in watching.

I would like for it to be Rhinox.

Something tells me he wants his teammate watching isntead of someone he doesnt know.

Well, who knows, maybe scum gets something out of a watch, cause it seems like we get bupkis.
Btw, what's your view on korts nowadays?

[Vi]

Vi, I can't answer for what sypilis did, but I think you are overstating how I get on wagons. Personally, I would be more concerned of how korts seem to appear on every single wagon in your (conclusions excluded) nice compilation of votes.

And if you read the whole post, you would notice that I covered that already.

Should we assume that the day-delayed reveal is just a part of the game, or is it possible that we (or someone) can do something to save the people?

I would believe it's a method of scumkill. By killing the mugger, we could get instant results like we got with the Vig/fencer.
Flavor-based guessing, etc.

Rhinox seems pretty keen on selling the idea of a mountain walk. Do you know something? (other then your profound flavour reasoning)

I'm giving you this

you can't be serious

look over the Internet.

[TonyMontana]

And if you read the whole post, you would notice that I covered that already.

And this conflicts with my wish for your priorities how?

I'm giving you this

you can't be serious

look over the Internet.

Gives a

how dare you question my sincerity

look back

[Vi]

And if you read the whole post, you would notice that I covered that already.

And this conflicts with my wish for your priorities how?

I've already explained why I do not believe Korts is guilty - I do not think Juls was bussing him.

What do you think I should think about Rhinox, while we're on the subject?

[Rhinox]

Rhinox seems pretty keen on selling the idea of a mountain walk. Do you know something? (other then your profound flavour reasoning)

Nope, I don't know anything more than anyone else - I just didn't want korts to make the decision . As far as I can see, it doesn't really matter which way we go. We've had nothing happen as a result of direction so far, and I've seen no hints to say that anything special will happen this time. Somebody bold something so we can get on with the day.

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Also, Vi, Freeko, since we know Y'all are masons and what not, talk about anything fun and exciting during the night? I'm curious as to why Vi has freeko listed as the most town person besides himself...

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anyways, I'm going to go out on a small limb and speculate that there are either 2 mafia remaining, or 2 mafia + sk (I suppose 1 mafia + sk is also possible, but the only time I've seen a game with only 2 total mafia + 1 sk, it was insanely biased towards the town). On the flip side, 3 townspeople and a neutral are dead.

So, that means setup-wise, we're either at 5-2, or 4-2-1.

5-2) Not technically Lylo, but if there is a vig who was responsible for juls death, tonight would be a bad time to misvig if we don't lynch scum today.

4-2-1) Not a true lylo, but no good will come from a mislynch either. A mislynch + no crosskills at night is a mafia victory. A mislynch with mafia killing sk, and sk killing town is again, a mafia win. A mislynch with mafia killing town and sk killing mafia is a 2-1-1 crapshoot tomorrow. A mislynch with mafia killing sk and sk killing mafia is a not too bad 3-1 lylo. On the other hand, lynch sk still leaves us at 3-2 lylo tomorrow, while lynching mafia could put us anywhere from a 2-1-1 again, to a town win, depending on the crosskills.

In either case, its infinitely better to not mislynch today

I've already explained why I do not believe Korts is guilty - I do not think Juls was bussing him.

Similarly, the amount of time you spent voting juls makes me think you were not bussing juls - in other words, not guilty.