Mini 737 - Hack Poetry Mafia (Game Over)

[springlullaby]

Yeah alright,

counterclaim

, I'm the doc.

No one hammer before I can get a final analysis in.

[springlullaby]

You know what, forget it. To complicate to type. Hammer please.

[Budja]

Unvote, Vote: Budja

Good luck to my scumbuddy. At least I got you the Doc .

Bye now.

[Spolium]

Yeah alright, counterclaim, I'm the doc.

Well, I didn't expect

that

.

vote: Budja

That's the last time I allow meta to excuse wishy-washiness. Lesson learned.

[TonyMontana]

Vote Count

Rhyme, schlyme

L-1

Budja

(6) RedCoyote, springlullaby, Lynx The Antithesis, Deuxieme Octopus, Budja, Spolium
L-5

RedCoyote

(2) don_johnson, jebus

Not Voting:

fhqwhgads | Plonky | millar13 | Goatrevolt
With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch

Deadline in about

2 days and 11 hours

[Budja]

Just a quick note Spolium, the only scum-tell I really dropped was my failure to scum-hunt. I'd have done everything else the same if I was town.

[springlullaby]

Yeah, that's why you were run up to a claim Day 1. Because you played so good.

[Budja]

No, the reverse actually.

Now I'm going to go die quietly now.

[springlullaby]

Good luck to my

scumbuddy

. At least I got you the Doc .

Bye now.

Significant or not?

[springlullaby]

Actually before hammering, allow every player who is not voting Budja to come in once and state why they haven't been voting him:

if Budja is in a two manned scumteam the chance of bussing are low.

[springlullaby]

Unvote

See above

[springlullaby]

Also, you wanna keep an eye on Red now, because of the fact that he has been voting Budja since the RVS and that Budja seems to be taking everything so well.

[don_johnson]

i didn't see the tells outside of the poetry phase. alot of what people were calling "slips" seemed like honest mistakes. i am in another game with budja and he is playing similar. the only thing that drew my attention was his voting pattern. in hindsight he seemed to be hopping the popular cases these last few pages. damn tunnel vision. i actually thought that one of you two might be doc. if budja hadn't claimed scum here i would have asked for more discussion on the counterclaim. c'est la vie! good start.

Good luck to my scumbuddy.

not.

[Spolium]

Actually before hammering, allow every player who is not voting Budja to come in once and state why they haven't been voting him

Reiterating this.

[RedCoyote]

I've never said Spring's long post wasn't genuine. You argued that I was of that opinion.

I'm guessing [RC's] working under the assumption that spring was following the game and collecting evidence all along, and just chose to drop it all on us now. Why do you assume this is the case rather than the also plausible (and I would argue more likely) assumption that she just went back and read the game?

You argue that I find spring's lurking worse than Budja/Fhq/etc. This is false, because I am not voting, nor have I voted for Spring since her long post, and instead my votes have been on...fhq and budja.

As I was rereading some of your posts, I think I spoke a little too bluntly. The impression is left when you don’t speak proportionally about spring the way you do about fhq/Budja that you suspect her more than the other two.

You argue that I said you should be equally suspicious of Budja/Fhq/spring, when I did not argue or suggest anything like that.

By asking me what the difference is between Budja and spring's recent activity.

I'm saying that I called out spring for a lack of solid stances, and in much the same fashion I have called out Fhq/Budja/Don. You had no problem when I did that to the other 3, but you find it suspicious when I attack spring in much the same fashion. What's the difference?

The reason I was more suspicious of you calling out spring is because I think you are generalizing to say that spring's activity was worse or equally as bad as Budja.

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At one point you even questioned the 'errors' she made when she already admitted them!

Where?

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they refers to you(RC). i interchange the terms in almost all my posts and games. mainly because when i started playing here i would get confused as to peoples genders and saw other players referring to people as they, so its somewhat subconcious. who did you think i was referring to?

The scumpair of me and spring. The context fits perfectly.

I think it's a bad move to pair people off this early in the game, and I will remember this comment.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I can't help but get a backpedalling vibe from RC when reading #300

You shouldn't as I've mentioned the prospect of a spring lynch since post 184.

well, when it comes down to it, explaining away an extended defence of a particular player as an

opinion

is meaningless. Everything at this point is an opinion

Just like calling my "defense" WIFOM is meaningless. I don't consider it a defense. I told fhq my own opinion of spring's post, which was contrary to his own. Like I said, I don't pretend to know what spring did or didn't do, but it seems reasonable to me that scum would not have done that.

It seems reasonable to me, and that doesn't necessarily mean it would seem reasonable to you.

the fact that you are declaring other cases on Spring invalid for being WIFOM

There's something wrong with this. My contention has always been that I prefer the explanation that spring made a genuine post to the idea that it was concocted. I've made clear my own positions on spring. Without reading back, I don't think I've called another player out for a WIFOM argument on spring. I've said that many of the cases against her were derived from speculation, which is a different idea altogether.

The rest of your post is reading far too much into my word choice.

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You're basically calling out anyone going after Spring at this point. Like don said you basically "lumped" all of us together even though we were suspicious of Spring for different reasons.

And I've since said it was unfair of me to do so. From my perspective, don's case was based on speculation, yours was based on her lurking, and Goat had a problem with her not voting.

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if Budja is in a two manned scumteam the chance of bussing are low.

Also, you wanna keep an eye on Red now, because of the fact that he has been voting Budja since the RVS and that Budja seems to be taking everything so well.

These predictions seem contradictory.

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Who our our replacements and what do they have to say about Budja (or anything else) based on their re-reading of the game?

millar, DO, and Plonky, I'm looking in y'alls direction.

[RedCoyote]

Excuse me.

That's all sorts of messed up.

EBWOP:

Where are our

replacements and what do they have to say about Budja (or anything else) based on their re-reading of the game?

[fhqwhgads]

Crap. I totally misread Budja. I really thought he was town.

[Goatrevolt]

Is there a reason we need to wait to hear from everyone prior to hammering? I don't see the point of needlessly extending the day.

I'm voting him tonight unless I hear a compelling reason not to.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Jesus alot has happened. I actually believed the claim until Spring's counterclaim because with Budja's seemingly poor play I honestly didn't think he'd be ballsy enough to fake claim. I figured if he was scum he'd take the the easy way out and claim vanilla.

Only one partner perhaps? Possible third party scum then.

Spring any last suspicions you think we should look into? You're certainly going to be dead tommorow.

I'm perfectly fine with somebody hammering soon. Everybody can get their rereads done at night anyway to see any possible connections to present tomorrow.

[don_johnson]

Is there a reason we need to wait to hear from everyone prior to hammering? I don't see the point of needlessly extending the day.

I'm voting him tonight unless I hear a compelling reason not to.

Fos: Goatrevolt

discussion only helps. the fact budja is scum entirely changes the look of the bandwagon and those not on it. we are not guaranteed in being able to hear from everyone tomorrow, so cutting off discussion seems like an awfully bad idea.

[don_johnson]

Fos: lynx

see above.

[Spolium]

We have just over 2 days until deadline, and confirmed scum. We should take advantage of this and garner as much information as possible in the remaining time, now that we can rule out one person with certainty.

Note that in #327 Budja dropped his vote on himself; perhaps he intended to self-hammer in order to deny further discussion, reflecting the intentions of scum (which does indeed draw a question mark over Goat and Lynx, as don noted above).

Good luck to my

scumbuddy

. At least I got you the Doc.

Significant or not?

That depends on how likely is it that there are more than two mafia in a game of this size, though IMO it's likely to be a red herring (or otherwise irrelevant). Probably best to ignore it.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Fos: lynx

see above.

I said I'm completely fine with a hammer

soon

(key word). I did say I wanted to hear from Spring before we end the day because unless we have a very lucky roleblocker she's gonna be dead tommorow. Keep in mind we have a deadline in a little over two days. Prolonging the discussion a little longer than we actually need wouldn't be that much more beneficial to the town.

[Goatrevolt]

Is there a reason we need to wait to hear from everyone prior to hammering? I don't see the point of needlessly extending the day.

I'm voting him tonight unless I hear a compelling reason not to.

Fos: Goatrevolt

discussion only helps. the fact budja is scum entirely changes the look of the bandwagon and those not on it. we are not guaranteed in being able to hear from everyone tomorrow, so cutting off discussion seems like an awfully bad idea.

Anyone who has a suspect stance on Budja is either going to be around tomorrow to discuss it, or is going to be dead, and thus it doesn't matter.

At this point we're essentially just waiting for a couple of lurkers/replacements to come in and say something along the lines of "well, looks like Budja claimed scum" and then we're going to end the day.

Note that in #327 Budja dropped his vote on himself; perhaps he intended to self-hammer in order to deny further discussion, reflecting the intentions of scum (which does indeed draw a question mark over Goat and Lynx, as don noted above).

If he intended to self-hammer, then he failed pretty hard by not checking the vote count first. Or maybe he just voted himself because it's obvious he's going to get lynched after claiming scum.

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I'll wait to place my vote until tomorrow then. I do think holding off is a bit of a pointless exercise, though.

[millar13]

Vote: Budja

for the simple fact he just comes off so scummy it isn't true. I know I am deep into this...but he is uncannily evil