Newbie 745 - Town wins!

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/confirm

Pleasure being in one of your games farside.

You say that now.

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1. Gabe
2. Spinach
3. Seamus2008
4. Mufasa
5. broncofaninmd
6. Bladewing Vorox
7. Family:Kostic
8. neko2086 (IC)

Original Roll String: 1d8

1 8-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

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Vote: Mufasa

my random vote is for you.

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@Mufasa: I don't like the idea of a no lynch. There are only a very few situations where a no lynch is viable but they never apply on D1.

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FK, games usually start with everyone random-voting to get discussion going.

unvote; vote: mufasa

Fishing for power roles is bad.

I don't think he's role fishing. I think he gets the point that I made about random votes and is trying to make a joke vote now.

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Mufasa,

So far you've voted 3 times:

1) No-lynch
2) Gabe
3) Seamus

Are you doing this to spur conversation? Or are you doing this for another reason? If a different reason, please explain your motives. IGMEOY.

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but you never voted bronco, you voted gabe, and you're dodging my question.

What sort of retrospect can you possibly have 3 pages into D1?

Patience is the key to this game. They often stretch out over months.

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I think we've done a good job already of transitioning from the random voting stage to discussing concerns about one another.

Keep it up guys.

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fun/entertaining =/= pro-town

lurking and active lurking can be scummy, but there is no evidence of this happening. People will post infrequently. I only happen to be posting so frequently right now because I don't have any work to do at the moment.

QFT. I was trying to wrap up a different game. It took a lot of my attention away from this game because it came to a pretty dramatic conclusion. I haven't even created a notebook for this game yet.

I'll post my own thoughts tonight or tomorrow morning when I get a chance to sit down and organize myself a little

[IC Hat]It would be a good idea for every townie here to keep notes on this game. In the notebook, keep a minimum of your own running vote count, a history of who voted for who and when someone drops a scum tell make a note of it so you can build a case later if needed[/IC Hat]

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fun/entertaining =/= pro-town

lurking and active lurking can be scummy, but there is no evidence of this happening. People will post infrequently. I only happen to be posting so frequently right now because I don't have any work to do at the moment.

QFT. I was trying to wrap up a different game. It took a lot of my attention away from this game because it came to a pretty dramatic conclusion. I haven't even created a notebook for this game yet.

I'll post my own thoughts tonight or tomorrow morning when I get a chance to sit down and organize myself a little

[IC Hat]It would be a good idea for every townie here to keep notes on this game. In the notebook, keep a minimum of your own running vote count, a history of who voted for who and when someone drops a scum tell make a note of it so you can build a case later if needed[/IC Hat]

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sorry for the double post too

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, are Mufasa's responses to our concerns point to him being scummy In other words, do you plan to stick to you original random vote?

I've been debating about whether or not to answer this question. It's definitely too early in the game to be concrete about anything going on, and anyone who has drawn solid conclusions at this point probably needs to be reexamine their play style.

I like where this wagon is headed, that's why I'm reluctant to remove my vote. By answering this question of course I am removing any pressure that was on Mufasa from my vote being present.

It's generally considered bad practice to question individual motives when the focus of a town is on one person. It's a common tactic implored by scum to introduce a little bit of misdirection and distraction when the town is trying to wagon someone.

I also realize that I had no outstanding questions for him to answer, so you had a right on some level to ask me if I was confident in my vote. The answer to that question is a simple "no." But I've definitely got an eye on him.

On to other issues:

From what I have seen, Gabe doesn't seem phased to say anything. Fearless in a way, could put him up at either end of the scale and is the most unpredictable so far imo..

He is probably the one I am most suspect of at the moment as everyone else just seems a bit cautious...

This is a bit of a contradiction. You say he's your most suspicious, yet you keep your vote on samus. Also, Why is gabe so suspicious? You really haven't said much about it. You've also said in pretty much the same post that he could go either way.

"Fearlessness" isn't a scum tell. It isn't a pro-town tell either. It's just a gameplay style.

I would tend to agree with you regarding seamus' game play so far, but I'm waiting until he's prodded and has a chance to respond to you.

Also -- Please don't bring religion into this, Mufasa.

You must understand that the MafiaScum community is made up of people from all walks of life. If we are going to be in games together we must learn to be tolerant of one another. For example I frequently use what some would consider corse language during games; however I try to keep that to a minimum as not to overly offend those on the religious or conservative fringes of society. Tolerance works both ways, though. I won't preach at someone about their religious beliefs if they don't preach at me for my conduct.

Either way, being called out on something which you're likely to hear from random people throughout the normal course of daily conversation makes the game uncomfortable for everyone and could possibly be misconstrued as an ad-hom attack. Try to stick to game-related tirades.

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sorry for the atrocious grammar and spelling in that last post, I could have proofread it before I hit sumbit.

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Why just "wait"

Why not do some post analysis in the mean time?

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Vote: mufasa

BTW, I'm mafia.

Seriously? You just claimed?

*facepalm*

Unvote

Vote: Seamus2008

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@Mod

you've been watching too much sesame street

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Been a busy weekend, Will get a post up by tomorrow.

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Hi guys. I declare myself & Neko mafia.

Vote: Neko

Why are you purposefully trying to break this game?

@Mod: Force replace please?

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Hi guys. I declare myself & Neko mafia.

Vote: Neko

Have you read the rules of the game ? Maybe he's lying to get someone, who isn't Mafia, lynched the next day.

So, what do we do about Seamus ?

You aren't supposed to out your scum partner, even for pretend.

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Did you really have to quote an entire post to ask a question which bears no relevance to this game whatsoever?

I know this is a newbie game and all but I'm going to start calling people out on busy posts when they make them.

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The discussion between Gabe and FK is pretty much wifom. It's not going to go anywhere.

BV- first of all, you FOSed Mufasa early on, but I don't recall you suspecting him at all after that.

Second, it's interesting that you say you're suspecting me now that I'm calling you out on something.

Third, about the quote, it's scummy because this game requires that we all contribute to the game. You're saying that you don't mind sitting back and letting somebody make a mistake. Well, townies are pretty dispensable early in the game, so they have very little reason to want to sit back and watch, whereas scum have more reason to play cautiously.

unvote; vote: Bladewing Vorox

You and Spinach are both playing very cautiously.

I thought you would vote for me and it seems I was right.
First, I kept an eye on Mufasa's posts but I did not said I suspected him after that.

Second, I didn't thought of that when I posted.

Third, I have a reason for playing cautiously but I think it's too early to reveal it although I can reveal it if you want.

I think you should lay your thoughts out on the table, and share with the rest of the group. It's never "too early" to share an opinion.

Vote: Bladewing

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*facepalm*

Nobody asked you to claim. We just asked you to up your contributions a little. You've basically just deprived us of an extremely useful power role because the mafia is likely to NK you now.

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that is if you're even telling the truth.

2 votes is not a lot by any stretch.

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Bladwing: My vote was just a pressure vote, to get you to contribute NOT to claim. You should NEVER claim until someone asks you to, and usually that's not until you're at L-1.

You have to realize in the course of this game you're going to get pressured by people from time to time.

but you're right about one thing, you don't know if I'm telling the truth or not.

If you're lying you should be lynched. If you're telling the truth, you're dead anyways, and you've hurt us considerably on top of that. So you might as well finish the day balls-to-the-wall and do SOMETHING useful.

Unvote

Either way, I'm not going to do the scum's dirty work for them.

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@Bladewing: So how about you start contributing some opinions now, please?

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I understood what you are saying.

Actually, I do agree with neko about Spinach. I want to hear more from him, so...

Vote : Spinach

If he convince me he is not a scum, I'll unvote him.

I appreciate that you're participating now but please do more than just pressure voting. Who do you think is scummy and why?

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I don't like where the Spinach wagon is going. We're rushing to a lynch and it's going to put us in lylo in short order.

There's scum on his wagon, methinks:

The way I see it, the fact that you (

Spinach

) were friendly with Bronco, and possibly knowing he was not Mafia, gives you every reason to Lynch him during the night...

Obviously, it is only WIFOM theory and should be taken with a pinch of salt as it holds no real evidence to you being or not being Scum.. Nevertheless I think you would be the type who would lynch a friend rather than an enemy in this situation..

So you admit that your vote is based on WIOFMY logic, yet you cast it anyways even after we mislynched D1, knowing that it's going to put us in a difficult spot on D3. I don't like how careless you're being with your vote.

You were also the first person on the Seamus wagon, for reasoning equally as weak:

Not happy with the contribution of Seamus2008 at all, therefore my vote will stay with him until I have solid evidence to vote otherwise.

Anybody have any evidence suggesting someone could be mafia yet? Suspicious activity of any sort..

From what I have seen, Gabe doesn't seem phased to say anything. Fearless in a way, could put him up at either end of the scale and is the most unpredictable so far imo..

He is probably the one I am most suspect of at the moment as everyone else just seems a bit cautious..
Bladewing Vorox hasn't said enough for me to judge him at all..

In the same post you say "Seamus isn't contributing, he's scum" and "Bladewing isn't contributing, null read"

Rereading you in isolation, it doesn't appear that you have had any real justification for any of your actions up until this point in the game.

So I'm going to go with

Vote: Family:Kostic

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I've read you just fine. You missed the point. It's very poor reasoning.

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Prodded. I'm still fine with a Kostic lynch

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unvote Vote: Self just to stir up conversation

Self voting is extremely scummy and unhelpful.

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More votes on Kostic please!