WARNING: Long, long post ahead.
Gamma wrote:If you can do a case without being snitty, I'll get back to you. My feelings are hurt.
You're right, I can see that I was a bit snappish there. All right, let's think about this calmly.
*breathe in... breathe out...*
*breathe in... breathe out...*
There we go.
Why you shouldn't have tried to kill me:
Your only stated reason for trying to kill me last night is that D2, I opposed a vigkill for that night, and you feel that I may have opposed the kill because I might be hit by it. There were two other players who expressed dislike of a vigkill N2 - RestFermata and My Milked Eek - so I questioned why you'd picked me to kill. Especially since at various points in the game, you'd thought them both scummier than you'd thought me or my predecessor up to that point.
However, both are claimed vanilla town. More specifically, both are claimed clarinet players. Their claims seem reasonably sincere to me - RF's (post 103) because it was the first clarinet claim and came from her predecessor (more on that in a moment), and MME's (post 323) because it was made to back up Nekka-Lucifer, whom RF replaced. I can see RF coming up with clarinet as a fakeclaim for vanilla, but I wouldn't guess Nekka would be able to figure that out on his own. For that matter, I wouldn't suspect MME of correctly guessing clarinet either. So the most likely scenario with RF and/or MME as scum involves pregame chatter where the other scum instruct(s) them on what would likely be good fakeclaims. Since I also don't see corporate as someone who would be aware that clarinet is the most common instrument in a standard concert band, RF and MME can't both be scum (because NL + MME + corporate = 3 people, which I think fills our mafia quota).
So at most one of
NL
RF and MME can be brass. If RF is brass, this means that the third scum must have been one of the people who were around at the beginning of the game and knows enough about band to know that clarinet would be the most likely vanilla role. I haven't gotten that impression from any of the original players, so I think RF really is a clarinet. MME is a bit hazier. If he's town, he's probably also a clarinet player, if for no other reason than he would have claimed whatever else he was if he's a different woodwind. If he's scum, by the time he claims, nobody's argued against clarinet being town, so he knows it's not wrong, and a check of Wikipedia would reveal that it's the most common instrument in a concert band, so he may have some idea that it's probably vanilla. However, D1, he also was willing to argue with you and Wall-E to make you two contribute, which I don't think is something scum would do.
Basically, MME is likelier to be scum than RF, but in about the same way that yellow is darker than white. They're both likely town, and probably vanilla.
Now, from here, we can go either of two ways: One, we can say, "Trumpet must have figured that of those three, he was most likely to be killed, so he didn't want a vig kill because it might hit him." This seems a bit off to me, because the people that agreed with an unrestricted NK would be agreeing
even though
they might have been NK'd. And it's rather weak reasoning for a vig N2. Or two, we can say, "Trumpet thought like two near-confirmed townspeople thought. He's reasonably likely to be town." I don't think it's at all hard to figure out which one I want you to believe.
Why you were roleblocked:
Why not? N1, you announced your kill beforehand. Since your proposed target was town, scum let you help do their job for them. N2, you didn't announce it, so scum wouldn't have known if you were going to hit them or not. They didn't have any good alternative targets or any good reason not to roleblock you (yes, those two are similar, I know), so they blocked you.
Wall-E wrote:Can you speculate for the town who the scum DID target if they roleblocked Gamma?
I can try. Most likely to least:
T1: RF, MME (claimed vanilla)
T3: Wall-E, Tony, ToD, KoC
7: magisterrain (hasn't done anything one way or the other, and probably not expected to contribute much to scumhunting)
8: Gamma
Wall-E wrote:Which would lead to Wall-E's lying about having protected Gamma. Which would mean he should be lynched on LAL.
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If you wanted to disprove this theory you should have given an example that explained the night actions. The lack of a mafia NK OR a vig NK indicate that either a pro-town power role blocked Gamma-scum and I stupidly protected the mafia (in which case I'd feel really bad about claiming) or the more simple answer is that YOU are the scum.
Let's try this again.
Smart scum would not have attempted to kill Gamma, we're agreed. Thus: Either you're telling the truth and the scum are idiots (in which case town's likely to win anyway), or you're telling the truth and there's another doc who protected whomever scum tried to kill (but why would we have two docs?), or you're telling the truth about being doc, but lying about whom you protected (LAL), or you're lying about being the doc (LAL).
You want an example? Very well, then. Let's say scum try to kill MME. The doc protects MME. Gamma tries to kill me. Scum block Gamma. How's that sound?
And I didn't quote that much of RF's post entirely on purpose. When I logged on yesterday, I saw her vote for me, failed at counting, and thought her vote was the hammer. I spent a while making a "bah" post, then had to leave for a concert, got back, noticed there wasn't a lynch scene, went back, counted... surprise, I'm not lynched yet. The part I really wanted to quote was that last part of a sentence, and I just forgot to delete the rest.
Wall-E wrote:Possibilities: 1) ToD is un-vigable scum. I protected Gamma who tried to kill ToD, therefore nobody died.
Absolutely wrong. I'm not un-vig-able, and I'm not scum.
Wall-E wrote:2) ToD is innocent. Gamma and I are scum. We chose not to NK to make this whole illusion seem more real, and that's why nobody died. Bear in mind this means the real vig and doc would likely wait for a wagon on either of us to toss on their votes.
If this is true, they've been waiting for quite a while to counterclaim Gamma.
Wall-E wrote:3) ToD is innocent. Gamma is a liar. I'm innocent. Gamma chose not to NK to make this whole illusion seem more real, and that's why nobody died. Bear in mind this means the real vig would blah blah blah.
I don't doubt that Gamma's a killing role, be it vig or SK. The only way I can see him not being one is if Atlas/magisterrain is instead, which would explain why there was a kill N1 (magisterrain may have been planning to actually participate and simply got sidetracked before D2 actually started), but not N2 (as he seems to have forgotten this game exists). But I feel like I'm stretching a bit for that.
Wall-E wrote:4) ToD is innocent. Gamma is innocent. I'm the liar. Doc counter-claim hasn't happened, therefore the real doc is waiting for a wagon on me to add his vote, blah blah blah.
Of your four possibilities, this is the most believable - but then, who's doc? Can't be magisterrain, so if it's not you, it's either Tony or MME, neither of whom has posted since your claim, and I've already explained why I don't think either of them are doc (Tony because I think he's scum, MME because I think he's vanilla town). So I have problems with this, too.
How about: 5) ToD is innocent. Gamma is innocent. Wall-E is innocent. One scum's an idiot, and the other's AWOL.
