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[roflcopter]

Why me over him, rabbit?

you've already got a wagon

[populartajo]

!vote UROE.
....
I have a question. Can we massclaim and we somehow test the setup like crazy until all the roles make sense so we catch the obvious lying scum? Is this possible?

[DrippingGoofball]

Why me over him, rabbit?

you've already got a wagon

Now, that's rofl-town talking.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Actually, we (had) the same number of votes, so that's bullshit there...

@tajo

Technically, yes, but only if the bot even has this setup in it, remember that Xyl "modified" the setup used in this game so it would be balanced, there is no guarantee that that plan would work.

[populartajo]

Actually, we (had) the same number of votes, so that's bullshit there...

@tajo

Technically, yes, but only if the bot even has this setup in it, remember that Xyl "modified" the setup used in this game so it would be balanced, there is no guarantee that that plan would work.

No he didnt modify it.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

/me thinks...

wait can we pick the setup? or is it already planned?

It's already planned. I'm not quite crazy or stupid enough to run a random large XylBot setup without vetting it for minimal balance first.

You sure?

[populartajo]

[quote="Xylthixlm"]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (10 to lynch) |||
||| MAFIABOT || DrippingGoofball - 2 (Empking's_Alt UnofficialRulerOfEveryone) |||
||| MAFIABOT || KaleiÃ

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Well, he's lying somewhere.

Maybe your plan would work, just not sure on the reliability of it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, he's lying somewhere.

Maybe your plan would work, just not sure on the reliability of it.

I don't believe the mod is lying. This is no bastard mod game.

Vote stays.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

DGB, RTFT.

[Xylthixlm]

vet (v trans): "to evaluate for possible approval or acceptance"

[tubby216]

DGB, RTFT.

what does RTFT mean??

[zwetschenwasser]

Read the Flossing Thread, I think.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

vet (v trans): "to evaluate for possible approval or acceptance"

???

RTFT is what zwet said, although that is cleaned up a bit...

[Yaya]

Ack, I'm here, I kept checking the other thread.

I'm going to re-read.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Nice job, yaya.

Fox, if you ever read this, you deserve to beat your little brother.

[tubby216]

ok i thought it was along those lines as a tech i have used RTFM but not RTFT lol

[Tarhalindur]

I see the current situation as this:
Tar attacked zwet and Kev for weak reasons, IMO. He excused himself with he does silly thing at the beginning of the game.
The rabbit called rolfcopter went crazy against him for reasons I find good enough for post randomstage. I know the rabbit and I can understand his point of view.
The interesting part comes from two sources. Kevy's reaction and Tar's reactions.
Kevy is obviously a IRCer, right? I rally dont like how every post of him there is something like "Im not sure you are scum, you are antitown as shit, so I vote you". I dont know if this is something from IRC but if you are not sure someone is scum then you simply dont vote it just because he is antitown and attacking you.
Now Tar, well its strange. I really thought he was the good player that avoided weak attacks like his at the beginning at the game (Really, attacking zwet?) I really dont know what to think of him other than he is either scum trapped in a series of not so well calculated lies or town trying desesperately to get off the hook without looking worse every time he posts. (something difficult with the rabbit going crazy against him).
Of course I would suggest stopping the wagon on him. Either town or scum Tar is obviously already pressured.
In a second plane, Im really interested in UROE. I have the feeling that he is defending Tar but at the same time supporting Kevi. Can you explain clearly whats your stance in all this mess?

This post is fucking bullshit. A lot of summary, not much interpretation, and what interpretation there is looks crappy (Why should we stop a wagon just because the wagonee is already pressured? Do you think UROE is scum, and if so for what reasons?) with the possible exception of anti-town=/=scum (I've been waffling over whether this is valid of late). This post looks like summary-IIoA to me (dodging commentary by giving summaries).

Also, where the fuck is your usual "you don't give away information as town that might help scum this early in the game" mindset?

!vote populartajo

You people, specially you Tar, are understanding this wrong. The only thing I wanted to do was to prevent a quicklynch. The pressure was already there, so there would not be more retarded votes using that as an excuse.
I dont give a shit if you think I was doing IIoA or whatever you call it. So because I comment in the situation, I am scum? Go die on a fire. I CLEARLY stated my opinions and stances of every situation, so try again.
And where did I state that I played like "I don't give away information as town that might help scum this early in the game"? Every game is different and I play each one as I want.
Fianlly I never said UROE was scum. Im asking him becuase he is in a weird stance, supportin both you and Kev. I want him to explain this.
So you are just throwing shit around hoping somebody can be seen as bad as you currently are. Who was scum before? Kevi, rolf, me? Call it OMGUS, I dont fucking care. Please die !vote Tar.

1) If you had said "I don't want a quicklynch", I would have understood your intent. The problem is phrasing - you didn't mention (at least not explicitly) a desire to prevent a quicklynch in your earlier post, so when I first read your "he's pressured enough" post I interpreted your post as implying that there is an arbitrary level of pressure after which you don't need to pressure any more, which is just crappy logic.

2) What's missing from the earlier parts of your post is any explanation of whether other players' actions are town tells, scum tells, or null tells (and the one clear case where you showed how the actions made sense from a factional standpoint - interpreting my own actions - you explained how both made sense but didn't indicate which you thought more likely). That's why I called IIoA.

3) I can grant you that - I've just never seen you *not* explode for things like massclaims.

4) About UROE: read my post again. I asked you whether you thought UROE was scum because I wasn't sure whether or not you thought UROE was scummy and I wanted clarification. (The only reason I consider your comments about UROE somewhat scummy is for the aforementioned IIoA reason: lack of interpretation from a factional standpoint.

5) Throwing shit my foot. I'm looking for elements of posts which could indicate that the poster is scum, and attacking (pressuring) to force a response which can exonerate or condemn the player I'm pressuring. By the way, it works. Given this defense, you're obvtown.

!unvote

[Tarhalindur]

!vote drippinggoofball

your format is wrong causing scripting errors

btw dgb have you seen that comercial for match.com where theres a woman riding a horse and she says " i'm just a goof lookin for my ball"? that comercial makes me laugh cause it made me think of you lol

Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends~?

thanks now thats stuck in my head

!unvote

why does this seem like the end of the blue collar comedy tour?

!vote Tarhalindur

but i concur with dgb assesment that armix is town,

DGB, RTFT.

what does RTFT mean??

ok i thought it was along those lines as a tech i have used RTFM but not RTFT lol

Does anybody else see the glaringly obvious problem in these posts? Hint: It involves making off-topic comments and not actually contributing in any meaningful way to the Mafia game we're playing. Why, it's almost like he's actively lurking or something! Oh wait...

!vote tubby216

Tubby, who do you think is scum, and why? Be detailed, please.

[Tarhalindur]

Tar.

~so far~ who is scum, who is town, and why. Thanks ahead.

Town:
- Kevy (I will not elaborate further)
- roflcopter (I will not elaborate further)
- poptajo (Defense in 118 is obvtown defense)

Leaning Town:
- DGB (meta, her attacks here look like the attacks she makes as town rather than the attacks she makes as scum)
- Xtoxm (He's asking questions that force other players to elaborate on their reasoning)

No Read:
- Vir4030 (need time to mull over his big post a bit longer)
- zwetschenwasser (either scum or idiot town, given his flawed attack on me and failure to answer Xtoxm's questions, but there's too much of a chance of the latter for me to decide yet)
- Everybody else (too few posts to get a good read)

Leaning Scum:
- UROE (reaction to massclaim is bullshit, especially given timing... finding ways to avoid claiming just before he's asked to claim? Problem is, it *might* be town bullshit, and active lurking is a far more reliable tell than reaction to massclaim IME.)
- Armlx (has only discussed massclaim so far and voted zwet so far, I want to see more out of him)
- Phate (has only discussed massclaim so far, again I want to see more out of him)

Scum:
- tubby216 (note lack of content in posts - I'm seeing active lurking/IIoA there)

[Tarhalindur]

Xtotm, my point is that his debate with the other two people seems to be full of unrelated points that are quite confusing, which I think he's doing on purpose.

I'm not seeing that at all in my posts. I'm seeing a coherent attack/defense to show how my actions are consistent with a town mindset and how Kevy's actions could be (not are, since there is rolebased on him that I consider more reliable than my own) consistent with a scum mindset. Since you seem to disagree, give EXACT examples of these "unrelated points" that you are seeing, please. Point by point examples.

Bingo. Notice that he claims he's actively trying to look town. UroE, I don't understand how to testsetup, and a massclaim could be useful.

Sorry, but no. It's called defense. Hell, the quoted post is for all practical purposes the definition I use for defense.

[Xylthixlm]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (10 to lynch) |||
||| MAFIABOT || DrippingGoofball - 2 (Empking's_Alt UnofficialRulerOfEveryone) |||
||| MAFIABOT || KaleiÃ

[Kevy]

But I guess the real question is - does it matter? If Tar's a jester, I think we should lynch him anyways. Let him have his win, and let's move on. We'll be able to focus a lot more on the game at hand without a jester in the town. If he's not a jester, and he wants to get lynched for some other reason, then let's do it. Either way, I consider his behavior very anti-town and disruptive.

Something concerns me more than this, though. I'm concerned about how many of you are getting pulled into this and totally distracted. Mass claiming? Do you realize that is the dumbest idea on the planet right now? Next thing you'll be suggesting we nolynch. It's ridiculous.

We need a massclaim.

Trust me on this.

!vote Phate

In IRC, it's typical policy to not mass claim until LYLO. Sometimes we do it before when someone has a good reason, but on Day 1 with 18 alive and perhaps 4 scum? This is a completely free lynch, and Phate knows much better than asking town to trust that we need a mass claim in this situation. He's played a lot of IRC games, and is one of the highest-rated players.

Town, if you mass claim, you're only going to be telling scum where the power roles are. I would strongly suggest you stop right now before you give away too much information. If you're lying, then that's only going to look worse later on if you claim something different. Either way, I don't see the benefit to town at all at this point. If Phate's role or role-related information is so vital for town to know about, then he can just tell us. Or he can ask for the specific person in question to claim. We don't all need to claim just because Phate said to.

From what I got out of the first paragraph, I'm pretty sure Vir and Tarhalindur are not on the same team if either is scum (but both can still be town, although doubtful given Tarhalindur's play).

To Vir: Maybe I'm the only one who got it, but I'm pretty sure Phate said that as a joke.

I haven't seen a lot of interaction between Vir and anyone else, so I would like to say that I think Vir is either town or SK.

Town, if you mass claim,

you're

only going to be telling scum where the power roles are. I would strongly suggest

you

stop right now before you give away too much information.

I see a little distancing there. You start to say "us" and "we" towards the bottom of the paragraph though. Just thought that was interesting, hence the possibility of you being SK. Although I think you are more townie than SK at this point.

[tubby216]

@ tar

u r correct i have been actively lurking inso much that i have been reading and trying to stay caught up.

I diddn't understand all the talk of massclaiming day 1 i thought that whole idea was scummy as shit, I don't understand the way everyone is playing this game. so i decided last nite to try to get on to xyl bot to try it out. Finally i got in and played a few games and after much screwin up i finally gott it.

I voted you because i diddn't undersatnd where you were comin from. now i have a better understanding.

!unvote

so i will do some rereading and have result back by tonite

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm a believer.

!vote tubby216