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[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

That's great, I don't feel like we need a mass claim just yet, so you get to wait until I clear some shit up in my mind.

[zwetschenwasser]

^Scum not wanting to claim right after he partially supported it^

!unvote vote UnofficialRulerOfEveryone

I hope this vote is right...

[DrippingGoofball]

zwet, there's no unvoting.

Anyways. I can see it. Scum hates claiming.

GO GO GO - DIE SCUM DIE

!vote UnofficialRulerOfEveryone

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Oh really, DGB?

That's bullshit.

!vote DrippingGoofball

Sadly, I don't see scum-DGB stupid enough to follow his buddy if zwet is scum, but that's lessening in my mind, I think it may be scum-DGB hopping on a convenient wagon.

IRC'ers might know what I'm doing, and will surely know what I am doing after I actually claim.

Also, @zwet, I did not "partially support it" that's total bullshit, I said that you would need to pick someone to claim if you wanted a mass claim, which doesn't make sense that you would stall and support a mass claim.

Furthermore, stalling a mass claim is not a scum tell at all, if you are smart town not wanting to reveal roles, you would stall a mass claim, so don't just hop on me because of that.

[DrippingGoofball]

...I think it may be scum-DGB hopping on a convenient wagon.

Hahaha, how big is that 'wagon' that's making you hit the roof? Zwet and me? Yeah, big scary wagon, haha.

Furthermore, stalling a mass claim is not a scum tell at all, if you are smart town not wanting to reveal roles, you would stall a mass claim, so don't just hop on me because of that.

I don't believe in a mass claim on Day 1, I'm against it. But I will go along with it and not stall. Because I'm a townie, and I don't have to nervously fret about having to fakeclaim, unlike you.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

If I had to fret about fakeclaiming, wouldn't I be on IRC right now testsetupping like hell and not posting all this shit in the thread, that would make me look scummier...

The wagon is small, but if two people are on it instead of one, it's much easier to snowball, the 2nd vote on a wagon is quite convenient for scum because they don't look like they are pushing it near as much.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

EBWOP: Also, if you are against mass claiming, you shouldn't claim as town, especially if you know outing yourself might hurt the town in the long run.

[zwetschenwasser]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO TESTSETUP!

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

You go on the irc server and channel (#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net) (If you don't know how to do this, I'm not going to explain it to you...) and then message TestBot for the testsetup ("/msg TestBot testsetup wacky 19").

[Xtoxm]

Open a channel on irc with xylbot, then type:

!xmafia testsetup wacky 19

etc.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Xtoxm, Xyl hates it when people testsetup with XylBot, especially in-channel, it lags XylBot like hell.

zwet, follow my instructions.

[Xtoxm]

I don't do it in channel, I open a seperate window with xylbot. But I can use the other way if I want more testsetups...

[DrippingGoofball]

The wagon is small, but if two people are on it instead of one, it's much easier to snowball, the 2nd vote on a wagon is quite convenient for scum because they don't look like they are pushing it near as much.

So you're really really really worried about a

second

vote?

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't even know what IRC means... *Sigh* Sorry that I'm annoying you, UR.

[Xtoxm]

Zwet:

Go to www.mtgsalvation.com

Click Chat in the bar across the top, and this should take you to the mtg chat channel.

Then type /join #mafia

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

The wagon is small, but if two people are on it instead of one, it's much easier to snowball, the 2nd vote on a wagon is quite convenient for scum because they don't look like they are pushing it near as much.

So you're really really really worried about a

second

vote?

No, I'm not worried, but I am voting you because of the jumping on, call it OMGUS, but it's a valid reason.

@zwet

Not annoying, just I'm lazy and can't explain it too well.

[DrippingGoofball]

No, I'm not worried, but I am voting you because of the jumping on, call it OMGUS, but it's a valid reason.

No. You're worried. A second vote isn't 'jumping on.' You have no valid reason, unless 'being worried' counts as a valid reason.

[Vir4030]

This is the first time playing with Tar, but I was surprised by his ranting. He came across to me as a bit crazy. He explained it as it being his random voting strategy, and it certainly has started conversation. But there seems to be something more here. I couldn't put my finger on it until Xtoxm mentioned Jester. Then it all makes sense - Tar *wants* to get lynched. I absolutely agree with this. The question is - why?

URoE asked if Jester appears in wacky. I didn't see one in the testsetups I ran, but that doesn't mean anything. One thing that Xyl seems to want to keep in his bot is a level of unpredictability. Given that this is wacky, I would not exclude any role from appearing. So I believe it's possible that we could have a jester in this game. Additionally, keep in mind that Xyl did manually approve the setup. He could have decided that a certain role would appear in the game and added in no matter what the bot spit out. This is not simply a generated bot game - it's moderated based on the bot's Wacky setup.

But I guess the real question is - does it matter? If Tar's a jester, I think we should lynch him anyways. Let him have his win, and let's move on. We'll be able to focus a lot more on the game at hand without a jester in the town. If he's not a jester, and he wants to get lynched for some other reason, then let's do it. Either way, I consider his behavior very anti-town and disruptive.

Something concerns me more than this, though. I'm concerned about how many of you are getting pulled into this and totally distracted. Mass claiming? Do you realize that is the dumbest idea on the planet right now? Next thing you'll be suggesting we nolynch. It's ridiculous.

We need a massclaim.

Trust me on this.

!vote Phate

In IRC, it's typical policy to not mass claim until LYLO. Sometimes we do it before when someone has a good reason, but on Day 1 with 18 alive and perhaps 4 scum? This is a completely free lynch, and Phate knows much better than asking town to trust that we need a mass claim in this situation. He's played a lot of IRC games, and is one of the highest-rated players.

Town, if you mass claim, you're only going to be telling scum where the power roles are. I would strongly suggest you stop right now before you give away too much information. If you're lying, then that's only going to look worse later on if you claim something different. Either way, I don't see the benefit to town at all at this point. If Phate's role or role-related information is so vital for town to know about, then he can just tell us. Or he can ask for the specific person in question to claim. We don't all need to claim just because Phate said to.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

No, your wrong.

Your reason is less valid, you know well enough that stalling a mass claim is a townie thing to do if you don't want to let scum rape the game from D1.

[Xylthixlm]

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||| MAFIABOT || DrippingGoofball - 2 (Empking's_Alt UnofficialRulerOfEveryone) |||
||| MAFIABOT || KaleiÃ

[zwetschenwasser]

The thing is, if someone claims a powerrole like a dayvig, we'll be able to tell whether he/she is telling the truth by testing him/her.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

I did not notice Vir's simul-post earlier, I am reading it now.

@zwet, exactly that, if they aren't lying, we have just outed a very strong power role, so why are you in favor of mass claiming? This is a stupid, stupid idea.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Now that I have read it, Vir is basically saying what I have been saying, mass claim is stupid, I will not claim right now, I do not support it, the end.

[roflcopter]

dgbscum is bussing uroe

!vote uroe

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Why me over him, rabbit?