korts wrote:You were speculating about information that was or could have been given to scum; I don't really see how there would be any basis to that kind of speculation unless you are scum yourself. There is also a difference between speculating on town information and scum information because town (something you are or are pretending to be) would know about some of the information a townie recieves in PM and nothing about what scum get.
But you're looking at my comment in a vacuum without considering the context... I was justifying why I think fishing for role names in this game is possibly scummy - because if scum don't have safe fake names, then fishing for role names helps scum fabricate believeable fake claims later by knowing the types of role names that town players have.
I was just pointing out specifically that I don't know for sure whether or not scum have a fake name, because even though I felt that would have been implied, a lot of times when I think something is implied, such as when players are referring to another player as hypothetically town, when they don't use the "if" its often assumed that it was a slip of inside information. Do you not agree it would have been worse if I just would have said "scum don't have safe fake names", as that would imply I know exactly what is in a scum role PM? Or are you trying to argue that my suspicion of BSG rolename fishing is invalid because we don't know whether or not scum have safe fake names? I hope its not the latter, because I think this is a potentially serious issue, and we should assume that scum don't have fake claims to use until we have reason to believe otherwise.
I also think this issue might be cleared up by BSG explaining how she knows "for a fact" that scum don't have to fish for flavor names, as I think that implies more knowledge of inside information than I have shown...
Korts wrote:Where cleric is a rolename and not a role.
Arguing semantics doesn't change the question... What made you think a sheep couldn't be a
cleric
, assuming you thought all town roles were sheep (also, assuming we had absolutely no idea what exactly a cleric was in this game)?
korts wrote:And especially since I believe that you are against setup speculation in general, this is a strange thing for you to say.
I think you'll agree that this was not even close to setup speculation, considering the context that I was justifying why I felt BSG was suspicious for role name fishing.
korts wrote:Ugh. You don't mean to imply that every town PM should contain the same things? And what importance is there in emphasising that your PM is town in particular?
Of course not... but I can't imagine any town role being "you know that scum don't have to fish for flavor name because..." nor can I even make up a reason for how a town role would know that. I think BSG should be able to explain how she knows that without giving away her role. As far as emphasizing the town part of my role PM, this is just another example of making sure nothing is left to interpretation by leaving anything in implications. I've learned that most of the time when I think something is implied, its not.
TonyMontana wrote:Juls wrote:You are one of two things:
1) scum-mason
2) town-mason
Either way,scum already know which you are. So killing PK only helps us (the town) trust you. It doesn't change the way scum thinks of you.
I'm glad you brought this up... I forgot I had a comment about this same post, that I cut from one of my previous posts shortly after this comment was made.
Juls, I believe, was arguing that we should lynch PK, and that by doing so, we would be better able to trust freeko. I think this was when we all thought PK could confirm freeko.
I remember thinking that i didn't like the idea of lynching PK to be able to trust freeko - because if PK's death even would have confirmed freeko as town (IMO the only way that happens is if PK is town-mason anyways), then that pretty much means freeko would be nked anyways.
I also remember not liking the second part of the justification: "Either way,scum already know which you are. ... It doesn't change the way scum thinks of you." I think that was in response to freeko commenting about being nked for sure once PK's death confirms him as town. I didn't like it because scum know everyone who's not part of their group, but town players only become the obvnk when scum don't think ther is a chance they can get them mislynched.
I think I cut this from one of my previous posts because I was still of the mindset that I though juls was incinuating a town power role like doc, but didn't want to bring to everyone's attention the potential tell. Specifically, (since Juls answered my questions) I thought she was suspecting Occam to still be alive because she was a doc who protected him, and I though she might be hinting at being able to protect freeko from obvious death once he was "confirmed". I feel comfortable saying this now because I no longer believe this to be the case, and it sort of explains why I have been shying away from accusations on Juls for most of today.
