Mini 735 - Bad Times In Kuribonia- Game over!

[ting =)]

Sigh. Kier is right, only 5 of us are actually posting. And all 5 of us don't seem to be in any form of agreement. Except that we need to get the others to post.

unvote. vote:houseofcards.

Post.

Also,

mod: I think QueenofHearts needs to be replaced.

Her last post was nearly 2 weeks ago.

[kuribo]

Also,

mod: I think QueenofHearts needs to be replaced.

Her last post was nearly 2 weeks ago.

She was supposed to be returning from VLA 2 days ago, I've prodded her once again, and if she doesn't begin posting, I'll seek a replacement.

[Kieraen]

oh i see, oops yes i meant to put prof guppy instead of the second monkeyman. lol i was thiniing about how guilty hé is.

So you don't think Prof Guppy and/or Ting are guilty then?

I don't see much of a stand out argument against PROF, but i do feel TING has some questions to answer, however I still think we need some more opinions and less lurking.

I tell you what MM, as a special favour to you Ill review PROF's play during this low perioud of activity.

[houseofcards]

Okay ill defend my vote, but there isnt really anything else to say, im waiting for someone else to post so i can respond to it, im keeping my vote on mm because of the 1 fact that he hammered and the only other thing he said was "ill explain tomorrow if im still alive" and right now in my mind that is the scummiest thing that has happened.

[qwints]

The more I think about it, the more I dislike MM revealing the fact that he targeted ting. It seems pretty unlikely that you were afraid of being speed lynched and needed to preserve information.

It must, therefore, have been to attack ting or defend him. I think he's trying to rely on other players assuming that he's too useful to be lynched while avoiding the risk of a counterclaim.

Since MM is my prime target due to his insufficiently justified hammer yesterday, I want a claim.

MM, if you don't claim I will re-vote you.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not planning on roleclaiming, I think I have enough support that anyone who hammers me would have something to answer for.

[MonkeyMan576]

After thinking about it, I'll go ahead and RC, at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

I am the

roleblocker

[qwints]

And Monkeyman? as vague as you can be (as it is your night action) but was the action/result positive or negative?

I actually didn't get a pm back from the mod. I guess I'll have to find out night 2 if there was a reason for that or not.

I wouldn't expect a pm from roleblocking, but that certainly doesn't make the above statement a lie. I'll believe your claim for now.

[Prof. Guppy]

After thinking about it, I'll go ahead and RC, at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

I am the

roleblocker

I hate roleblockers. They interrupt cop investigations and doctor protections. They usually can't stop the mafia from killing. Give me one good reason why we shouldn't get rid of you because of your role.

[Kieraen]

Because if he is a roleblocker, then he is townie.

[MonkeyMan576]

After thinking about it, I'll go ahead and RC, at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

I am the

roleblocker

I hate roleblockers. They interrupt cop investigations and doctor protections. They usually can't stop the mafia from killing. Give me one good reason why we shouldn't get rid of you because of your role.

The roleblocker is one of the most valuable roles in the game. Do I really have to explain this? *sigh*

[MonkeyMan576]

If I wasn't suspicious of PG before(which I was), I most definatley am now, and think trying to get the town roleblocker killed is a lynchable offence.

[ting =)]

but i do feel TING has some questions to answer, however I still think we need some more opinions and less lurking.

What questions exactly? I've answered everything you've thrown at me. And you still haven't answered mine. I'd be more than willing to answer any questions you have.

@PG.
?? You want to lynch MM because of his role? Am I reading that right?

@MM.
...in light of your claim, I don't see why you mentioning you targetted me makes sense. RBs don't get a PM as far as I know, just like Docs don't get a PM.

at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

Directing power roles = bad.

[MonkeyMan576]

at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

Directing power roles = bad.

I don't see how, if I have advice to offer someone, I should be able to do that. In the games I play offsite, roleblockers and doctors are given pm results.

[ting =)]

Why directing power roles is bad.

For the purposes of this post, let's assume I'm mafia.

Hey vig - kill HoC, k? Thanks.
I'm cop! Doc, you should protect me tonight, alright?
RB, I'm pretty sure that the claimed doc is lying. You should block him tonight, I'm sure he's the last mafia.

We have no way to ascertain that any player here is town. If you're scum, you could have claimed a power role to get the doc(if any) to protect you. That'd both waste the doc protect and give an explanation for why you, a claimed power role, is not yet dead. Long story short, there's no good reason to ever direct a power role. I can think of only a few situations where it'd be okay, but this isn't one of them.

@last bit.
Ah. It depends on the mod here, but the convention is generally to not give pm results if nothing happens.

[MonkeyMan576]

Why directing power roles is bad.

For the purposes of this post, let's assume I'm mafia.

Hey vig - kill HoC, k? Thanks.
I'm cop! Doc, you should protect me tonight, alright?
RB, I'm pretty sure that the claimed doc is lying. You should block him tonight, I'm sure he's the last mafia.

We have no way to ascertain that any player here is town. If you're scum, you could have claimed a power role to get the doc(if any) to protect you. That'd both waste the doc protect and give an explanation for why you, a claimed power role, is not yet dead. Long story short, there's no good reason to ever direct a power role. I can think of only a few situations where it'd be okay, but this isn't one of them.

@last bit.
Ah. It depends on the mod here, but the convention is generally to not give pm results if nothing happens.

It's up to the player to decide if he thinks I'm town or not, but there's nothing wrong with providing advice. Obviously, I know I'm not scum, and I think protecting the town roleblocker would be a good idea since the cop is dead. I disagree with your aversion to giving advice on night actions. The player is under no obligation to follow advice, nor is any other player under any obligation not to give advice. If the players really think I am scum, I should be lynched. Otherwise, I should be free to give pro-town advice, I'm not going to talk on the basis that I may be scum, because I know that I'm not.

[Prof. Guppy]

After thinking about it, I'll go ahead and RC, at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

I am the

roleblocker

I hate roleblockers. They interrupt cop investigations and doctor protections. They usually can't stop the mafia from killing. Give me one good reason why we shouldn't get rid of you because of your role.

The roleblocker is one of the most valuable roles in the game. Do I really have to explain this? *sigh*

Yes, please do, because I have a hard time believing your role is benifical to the town when all you do is stop the pro-town power roles from acting.

[MonkeyMan576]

After thinking about it, I'll go ahead and RC, at least I can get some protection from the doctor, if there is one.

I am the

roleblocker

I hate roleblockers. They interrupt cop investigations and doctor protections. They usually can't stop the mafia from killing. Give me one good reason why we shouldn't get rid of you because of your role.

The roleblocker is one of the most valuable roles in the game. Do I really have to explain this? *sigh*

Yes, please do, because I have a hard time believing your role is benifical to the town when all you do is stop the pro-town power roles from acting.

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

[Kieraen]

I agree with MM. Your logic is understandable PROF, but we shouldnt be attacking him as a roleblocker, or defending him either. He has no proog as far as I can see that he is a roleblocker, so therfore its a null tell. We should vote for him based on the logic and play he has demonstrated. For this I would Lynch him.

@ALL PLAYERS
We lynched a player last night who played scummy but turned out to be cop. Please don't allow this to affect your decision. Dont think "scared that we might disbelieve a role blocker" but dont also let it influence you to think "two in a row ant be believeable. Just plan on his gamestyle and his MOTIVES for claiming. Are they honest. Im not totaly convinced they are.

[Prof. Guppy]

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

Even if you do target a Mafioso, you won't stop the kill. So, what's the point?

[MonkeyMan576]

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

Even if you do target a Mafioso, you won't stop the kill. So, what's the point?

Obviously you don't understand what my role does.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... oleblocker

[Prof. Guppy]

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

Even if you do target a Mafioso, you won't stop the kill. So, what's the point?

Obviously you don't understand what my role does.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... oleblocker

Don't insult my intelligence. In this game, I highly doubt that the mafia really have to choose someone to make the kill. Especially if (and this is the most likely scenario) they are all vanilla goons.

[MonkeyMan576]

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

Even if you do target a Mafioso, you won't stop the kill. So, what's the point?

Obviously you don't understand what my role does.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... oleblocker

Don't insult my intelligence. In this game, I highly doubt that the mafia really have to choose someone to make the kill. Especially if (and this is the most likely scenario) they are all vanilla goons.

Even if that was true(which it's not in my experience as being mafia in other games, the mafia DOES select someone to perform the kill), you don't think that it's possible the mafia has other roles which would be worthy of being blocked?

[Prof. Guppy]

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

Even if you do target a Mafioso, you won't stop the kill. So, what's the point?

Obviously you don't understand what my role does.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... oleblocker

Don't insult my intelligence. In this game, I highly doubt that the mafia really have to choose someone to make the kill. Especially if (and this is the most likely scenario) they are all vanilla goons.

Even if that was true(which it's not in my experience as being mafia in other games, the mafia DOES select someone to perform the kill), you don't think that it's possible the mafia has other roles which would be worthy of being blocked?

In a mini game? Possible, yes; probable, not so much.

[MonkeyMan576]

The idea is you target mafia, and stop the mafia people from acting.

Even if you do target a Mafioso, you won't stop the kill. So, what's the point?

Obviously you don't understand what my role does.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... oleblocker

Don't insult my intelligence. In this game, I highly doubt that the mafia really have to choose someone to make the kill. Especially if (and this is the most likely scenario) they are all vanilla goons.

Even if that was true(which it's not in my experience as being mafia in other games, the mafia DOES select someone to perform the kill), you don't think that it's possible the mafia has other roles which would be worthy of being blocked?

In a mini game? Possible, yes; probable, not so much.

If the mod included a roleblocker role, with only one role to roleblock, that would be very shortsighted imho.