Mini 703 - A Roccisi Autumn - Over

[Adel]

just to be clear, when I claimed "no gun" I meant that I do not have one now, and I never did have one.

Is the same true for everyone else?

[Kison]

Yes.

[Adel]

anyhow, I'm down for lynching IP without further discussion.

[Adel]

I double-checked my work, and I am sure that lynching IP at this time is the correct move for optimal town results.

[Adel]

This paragraph seems particularly wishy-washy, even for you, afatchic. You first state that Adel's predecessor is definitely scummy, then you assume he's town, then you demand an explanation from Adel; and finally you conclude that right now she's probably a townie. I sense a connection; such uncertainty makes me think of a partnership where you can't decide whether to bus, distance or defend.

I said his play was extremely terrible, with all the rolefishing and everything... but then i thought about it and came to a logical conclusion why town-BoW would do that. im not asking Adel to explain why he did it.

I just think my conclusion will be proven one way or the other in a lylo mass claim

. if it goes the way i think it will, their would be no reason to suspect him, if it goes the other, i would be highly suspicious of him.

the part in bold is interesting.

[insanepenguin02]

Well, Adel, if you want to lynch me, I can't necessarily stop you but I do have to say that you would be killing a townie. Then your actions will have to be questioned very heavily. My vote stands on afatchic.

[insanepenguin02]

just to be clear, when I claimed "no gun" I meant that I do not have one now, and I never did have one.

Is the same true for everyone else?

And yes here - no gun at any point in time

[Adel]

why are you against a massclaim IP?

[afatchic]

This paragraph seems particularly wishy-washy, even for you, afatchic. You first state that Adel's predecessor is definitely scummy, then you assume he's town, then you demand an explanation from Adel; and finally you conclude that right now she's probably a townie. I sense a connection; such uncertainty makes me think of a partnership where you can't decide whether to bus, distance or defend.

I said his play was extremely terrible, with all the rolefishing and everything... but then i thought about it and came to a logical conclusion why town-BoW would do that. im not asking Adel to explain why he did it.

I just think my conclusion will be proven one way or the other in a lylo mass claim

. if it goes the way i think it will, their would be no reason to suspect him, if it goes the other, i would be highly suspicious of him.

the part in bold is interesting.

Would you like me to clarify?Also i had no indication of ever having a gun...

[Adel]

why did you expect massclaim to occur at lylo?

[afatchic]

why did you expect massclaim to occur at lylo?

when would it normally? never actually had to do a mass claim in a game i have played. actually, i have one time, but that was because almost every role was outed, and mass claim kinda broke the setup.

[ThAdmiral]

dead people could be carrying the guns...hopefully.

what are your thoughts on the merits of a massclaim before this day is over?

We could do it but I don't think it would help.

[Korts]

It's possible that the kill was used already; N3 may be the night. Doc/blocker had protected/blocked correctly N0 and more importantly N2, so I doubt N2 was the night unless the scum also have a blocker/doc and they scored a hit.

You do realize that what you're suggesting is impossible unless Rage committed suicide, right? Everyone here claimed not to have a gun, and unless some dumdum townie lied, Rage is the only other town aligned player who was alive during Night Three to have been able to use the gun to... well... kill himself. So it pretty much has to be a scum kill as far as I can tell. Look at it this way:

~~Night Three(assuming one scum, but it doesn't really matter for what I'm showing)~~
1)

Townie(still living)

->No gun, no reason to lie. Result: Not the murderer of Rage.
2)

Townie(still living)

->No gun, no reason to lie. Result: Not the murderer of Rage.
3)

Townie(still living)

->No gun, no reason to lie. Result: Not the murderer of Rage.
4)

Townie(still living)

->No gun, no reason to lie. Result: Not the murderer of Rage.
5)

Townie(still living)

->No gun, no reason to lie. Result: Not the murderer of Rage.
6)

Townie(still living)

->No gun, no reason to lie. Result: Not the murderer of Rage.
7)

Scum(still living)

->Possibly has a gun.
8)

Rage(dead)

->If he had a gun, it was not used successfully unless he decided to blow himself away. Result:

Prooooobably

not the murderer of Rage.

Anyone know if Rage was on anti-depressants?

Hahaha. Why are you excluding the possibility that a town player with the gun was blocked when they tried to shoot?

just to be clear, when I claimed "no gun" I meant that I do not have one now, and I never did have one.

Is the same true for everyone else?

This is correct.

On the IP lynch: I don't follow why he's the optimal play. I'd rather lynch afatchic.

[afatchic]

Hahaha. Why are you excluding the possibility that a town player with the gun was blocked when they tried to shoot?

So then why would a town player have lied about the shot? everyone claimed "no gun" when that would have been some nice info to share during that "mass claim".

On the IP lynch: I don't follow why he's the optimal play. I'd rather lynch afatchic.

Care to give a reason why?

[Korts]

So then why would a town player have lied about the shot? everyone claimed "no gun" when that would have been some nice info to share during that "mass claim".

True. Rage or scum having the gun is the likeliest possibility, and if the former is the case scum could've blocked Rage in anticipation of a protect.

Care to give a reason why?

Because I think you're scum, obv.

[afatchic]

So then why would a town player have lied about the shot? everyone claimed "no gun" when that would have been some nice info to share during that "mass claim".

True. Rage or scum having the gun is the likeliest possibility, and if the former is the case scum could've blocked Rage in anticipation of a protect.

Care to give a reason why?

Because I think you're scum, obv.

So you are saying he died by a Roleblock?!

Glad your reason was nice and detailed.

[Kison]

Hahaha. Why are you excluding the possibility that a town player with the gun was blocked when they tried to shoot?

I guess I epicfail at explaining things.

Here is the reason:

1) The only town players who were alive when Rage died are still alive now.
2) Everyone claimed no gun.

On the off chance that your question is the following: Why did you assume everyone who claimed no gun meant they didn't have one in the past?

My answer is: Because it seemed pretty obvious that it was inclusive in the question posed to us when we claimed. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone want to claim they used a gun in the past?

[Adel]

This paragraph seems particularly wishy-washy, even for you, afatchic. You first state that Adel's predecessor is definitely scummy, then you assume he's town, then you demand an explanation from Adel; and finally you conclude that right now she's probably a townie. I sense a connection; such uncertainty makes me think of a partnership where you can't decide whether to bus, distance or defend.

I said his play was extremely terrible, with all the rolefishing and everything... but then i thought about it and came to a logical conclusion why town-BoW would do that. im not asking Adel to explain why he did it.

I just think my conclusion will be proven one way or the other in a lylo mass claim

. if it goes the way i think it will, their would be no reason to suspect him, if it goes the other, i would be highly suspicious of him.

the part in bold is interesting.

Would you like me to clarify?Also i had no indication of ever having a gun...

why did you expect massclaim to occur at lylo?

when would it normally? never actually had to do a mass claim in a game i have played. actually, i have one time, but that was because almost every role was outed, and mass claim kinda broke the setup.

@afatchic:
1. what role do you think I have?
2. what was your logical conclusion going to be based off of what I might have claimed?
3. Why did you expect that both of us would still be alive in lylo?
4. Why did you think that holding onto a way to accurately test my alignment until lylo was a good idea?

Answer these questions in a full and detailed manner quickly, or else I will vote for you.

[afatchic]

Adel go ahead and vote for me. i work all day friday, and will be V/La this weekend, so had i not checked it right now before i go to bed, i wouldn't have answered until monday night. so if you are going to vote me because my answer isn't quick enough then go ahead.

Now that im aggravated lets answer the questions.
1)some sort of amnesiac role. im thinking amnesiac watcher. which is why you pulled the wifom bait of trying to get killed. I think this is why your predecessor started each day off by asking "did anyone get any useful information?" I think he was a PR, however he didn't get his own results, so he would ask at the start of the day if anyone got useful results.
2) see above
3) if we weren't alive, would it have mattered?
4) i don't think that trying to out your role any time sooner would have been a good idea.

Other than that i can't begin to think of a reason why he would have acted as scummy as he did at the start of each day, and thus, if this is not the case, i will gladly put my vote on you.

[Adel]

thanks. Can we lynch IP now?

[Korts]

@Kison, sorry. I realize on second thought you're right. I forgot to take into consideration the all-round no gun claims. So either Rage had a gun or one of the scum did or does is the conclusion we can draw here.

[Korts]

Adel, can you give me a quick rundown of why IP is the optimal lynch now?

[TDC]

Vote Count

afatchic (2): Korts, insanepenguin02
insanepenguin02 (1): Adel
Adel (1): Kison

Not voting (3): Ectomancer, afatchic, ThAdmiral

Five and a half days left.

[Adel]

Adel, can you give me a quick rundown of why IP is the optimal lynch now?

1. claimed vanilla
2. isn't a powerrole
3. ain't going to be killed by the mafia if he is town
4. newbie card has to expire before lylo
5. low risk lynch choice

[Korts]

Fair enough, I'll bite.

unvote, vote: insanepenguin