Mini 736 - The Masonry Game Over!

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So, quite the discussion, guys.

Reecer: http://i44.tinypic.com/2hia03o.jpg

Use that in the avatar URL, it's Lucas resized.

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You messed up whatever link you were trying to do in your last thread. Anyways:

Vote: Skitzer

He hasn't gotten one yet. SUSPICIOUS.

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EBWOP: *post, not thread.

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Hello, Roko.

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Welcome Sebguer.
I was looking forward to debating with Pooky, but it's nice to have you join

@ Reecer > Have you played Mafia before coming to this forum? How many games have you played?

Heheh, thanks. Sorry for not having as awesome a name as Pooky.

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Alright, trying to drag out something serious in this town:

There are two people who have received two votes. They are Caboose (from Skitzer and Nightfall) and EmpKing... Wait a second. Empking only has one, Skitzer, you never unvoted.

Nightfall, I assume the second-voting was merely the byproduct of semi-randomness.

Amirite?

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@ Sebguer > Pooky and I have played together before and I think he would have been the most experienced one in this game if he actually made it.

As for my vote on Caboose it was random with a "semi" added to make a joke about red vs blue.

Jokes about Red Vs. Blue? Outrageous!

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I'm not. Sadly.

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At least you have a Jesus avatar.

True! Jesus is the Magical Jew.

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Max makes an appearance and things go to hell, go figure

As for the Empking vs RF issue, I'm more on RF's side.
She brought up an idea and realizing it could possibly hurt the town more than aid it
moved on. She also gave a very reasonable explanation for why she said what she did.

On a side note... Sebguer, Anyone looking fishy to you right now?
And is Jesus blowing bubble gum?....

There's been about two posts thus far with any actual content... Alcove is a little odd here what-with the random questions, but it -can- be seen as simply an attempt to spark discussion, albeit done poorly.

Really, it's not scummy enough for a vote, but I'll

unvote

as we've left random voting.

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Votecount #2

alcove (3) - Caboose, rokovoj, Juls
Empking (1) - Max
zwetschenwasser (1) - RestFermata
skitzer (1) - Sebguer
RestFermata (1) - Empking
Caboose (1) - Nightfall
Nightfall (1) Reecer6
Max (1) - alcove
Sebguer (0)
Juls (0)
Reecer6 (0)
rokovoj (0)


Not Voting (2) - skitzer, zwetschenwasser

12 alive, 7 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch

Maybe this will be more obvious.

Nice timing.

I don't know what you're talking about.

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1. Lynch most liars.
2. We shouldn't be listing things for scum specifically not to do.
2. We shouldn't be listing things for scum specifically to do.
4. We shouldn't be listing things for scum specifically not to do.
5. This is not a newbie game.

This is way worse than what RF tried to do.

vote: alcove

.

2nd that.

FOS: Alcove

3rd'd

Man up Nightfall! FoS pfft!

Unvote. Vote: alcove

In a rush to lynch someone? Do you have any particularly good reason, aside from the already-stated accusations?

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the already-stated accusations

this

Do you really think a single post is enough to lynch him? I mean, it was suspicious, but you seem extraordinarily anxious for people to LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH.

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I'm sorry, does this game require only my vote to lynch? That's a new one on me. In fact, I put him at L-4. You seem to be the only one concerned with lynching.

I'm not speaking about your vote, though it was 3rd on the wagon...


However, Night put up a FoS and you berated him for not throwing up a vote.

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Lighten up? It was a joke.

Sorry, didn't seem like one.

Anyways, this thread is still relatively devoid of content and I think I broke my n key.

Caboose: As I said, it wasn't the vote, it was the words to Night which I (apparently) mistakenly took seriously.

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Really? "Man up" and "Pfft" are phrases that convey seriousness?

My laptop's dying and I've got to drive home now, back in an hour, but yes.

Maybe it's my 1 hour of sleep in the last 30, but the way you said it did not convey joviality.

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PRUFT

Huh?

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PRUFT = Power Role, Unlynchable Family Tracker


Scum!


(to those with no sense of humor, it is a joke)

Heheh, I looked in the Wiki but couldn't find it.

Thanks for the explanation. You dirty speed-lyncher.

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PRUFT=Posted Right Under for Truthery.

Empking, you're making no sense. Just because RF may or may not be a mason means nothing in relation to scumminess or handing the scum anything. You're pressuring her for nonexistent reasons.

Unvote; Vote: Empking

Yeah, I don't know what he means by "she's handed scum the game"... And, also, the alcove bandwagon seems to be putting a lot of stock in the fact that he was simply trying to start up a discussion with some (maybe) poorly-worded questions.

Then again, Emp isn't screaming scum...

Meh.

Vote: Empking

Pressure vote. Why're you jumping all over RF?

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BTW, saying that it's a pressure vote actually kills some of the pressure.

:/ Touche. That thought hit me after I pressed submit. But I thought an EBWOP saying "IGNORE THE PRESSURE" wouldn't work.

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I.. I don't even know how to respond to that.

I do.

vote:Reecer6

Why are you so eager for it to be night?

Question seconded.

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RestFermata is still voting for me.

She's afraid you're going to put on your robe and wizard hat.

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unvote

Yeah, that's not worrisome.

vote Reecer6

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Vote: Reecer6

Since I wasn't verbatim.

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So let's at least think about it before we possibly let him self-hammer okay?

Jesters are the ultimate WIFOM. Who cares if he is one? It's only relevant if the game will end if the jester dies. I doubt that's the case.

Though, I do think you're simply trying to help by bringing up the point.

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<3

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RF's actions means that unless the scum suck, they'll win. Fact. So she's gave the scum the win or handed it to them if you will.

RF, starts set up discussions and jester discussions. Bothy horribly, horribly scummy.

Juls: Why aren't you voting obvscum RF?

Empking, can you stop promoting bullshit, please? Your case is absolutely baseless. And why single out Juls for not voting? You're the only one voting for her, I don't see how she's 'obvscum'.

There's positively no reason how RF could 'hand' the game to the scum, unless it were freakishly broken. She hasn't broken any rules, so that's the only way she could've ' handed over the game'.

If Reecer comes back and makes a claim that isn't countered, my money's on Empking.

FoS: Empking

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It seems Reecer's been more or less forgotten. He's refusing to claim unless we have 7 people who say they'll lynch him. Do we? Are we just going to let him sit through the night, and instead go after Emp?

I mean, I've seen them both as scummy since about the same time. In fact, they may even be buddies, since Emp jumped all over RF just as the wagon on Reecer was hitting critical mass.

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RF's actions means that unless the scum suck, they'll win. Fact. So she's gave the scum the win or handed it to them if you will.

RF, starts set up discussions and jester discussions. Bothy horribly, horribly scummy.

Juls: Why aren't you voting obvscum RF?

Empking, can you stop promoting bullshit, please? Your case is absolutely baseless. And why single out Juls for not voting? You're the only one voting for her, I don't see how she's 'obvscum'.

There's positively no reason how RF could 'hand' the game to the scum, unless it were freakishly broken. She hasn't broken any rules, so that's the only way she could've ' handed over the game'.

If Reecer comes back and makes a claim that isn't countered, my money's on Empking.

FoS: Empking

RF did a

gambit

. Do you know what that is?
Its a gambit that worked.

Here's a short little thing.

Is RF trying to make the scum win?

Yes

Who does that?

Scum and Farside

So who else tries to make the scum win?

Also, the case on me is BS

Emp jumped all over RF just as the wagon on Reecer was hitting critical mass.

I've been going after RF before the idea that Reecer was scum entered any town's mind.

You're making less, and less sense with every post. I don't want to put you at L-1 in the middle of the night/morning when I might not catch the rest of the discussion, but you're just rambling at this point.

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Why? Don't just say "You're ming less, and less sense."

I'm going to take that as you admitting the case on me is BS. (Because you're unable to argue otherwise.)

Seb: Who else tries to make the scum win?

The case against you is that you're attempting extremely hard to paint RF as scum, by saying she's 'given' scum the game.

I fail to see how she's done so, and I agree with RF's previous assertion that you shouldn't point it out.

Your question is utterly idiotic, and requires an admittance that you're correct in your other claims. Which you aren't. Since not wanting to vote for you in the middle of the night is apparently an assertion of your lack of scumminess...

Unvote.

Vote: EmpKing

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I hope people pay attention to the VERY quick bandwagon.

Reecer, RF and Seb are the scum. Just going to say I think that now.

Seb: Why did you say:

Emp jumped all over RF just as the wagon on Reecer was hitting critical mass.

When you're unable to defend it.

Quick bandwagon? I was going to hold off on voting for you until you accused me of having no case. Damned if I do, damned if I don't?

Also, you had accused RF of handing the game to scum previously, however as Reecer was about to be forced to claim you redoubled your efforts to get all attention turned to RF. And succeeded in getting it all placed upon yourself.

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Ugh, well, I guess EmpKing was just an idiot. :/

Very well, I shall start the day with a vote upon the original scum-like bastard.

Vote: Reecer6

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Well.
I certainly had a lot to mull over when I got back from VLA. O_O

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Unvote; Vote Empking's Alt

I'm not doing the whole jester WIFOM thing. I have a strong feeling that he's lying about his claim by the way he worded it: He said "the masons will be told that I'm town". He didn't say "the masons will be able to confirm that I'm town." The way I read it is "I'm scum, but I have this awesome ability that once I'm recruited the mod will lie to them and call me town. Behold my awesomeness!"

Besides the aforementioned restating of someone else's role, I also find it suspicious how he voted Empking's alt instead of Empking himself. Immediately afterwards he voted for empking, so this seems to have been a serious post- why the distracting joke vote?

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While I am impressed by just how idiotically Reecer is managing to play, I am hesitant to lynch him because of his meta for that same idiotic play.

Reecer6, Cop, has been lynched!

This on Day 1.


On the other hand, he shouldn't have a constant non-expiring get out of jail free card just because he tends to play badly as town.

Wasn't a joke. Empking accidentally posted in here on his alt account, the post was summarily deleted. Zwet mistook it for his real account.

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Speaking of Sebguer, hopefully he'll be posting something soon.

Wow, it's already been two days since my last post? Sorry. >_>

As to Reecer's claim... It's plausible. And, as Rest said, I think he's a bit too daft to have thought it up himself.

Zwet is odd. I'm not sure if he's actually scummy, but he's freaking weird.

Unvote

Not quite sure where I'm going to place it yet, but I suppose Reecer's a dead-end. Even if he is going to end up screwing us over late-game. :/

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Isn't not being pro-town basically the same thing as being pro-scum? That might be a fallacy, but if you don't want the town to win... Then you're helping scum.

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My reasoning for removing my vote on Reecer was simply his claim, now with his backtracking, it's coming back with a vengeance.

Vote:Reecer6

L-1.

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I'm not willing to put Zwets at -2 yet, considering just how young the day is. Though, I completely agree that the hammer on his -own- mason recruiter was extraordinarily scummy, I would like this day to be a bit more productive then a speed-lynch.

Zwet, why did you hammer Reecer, exactly? You said you're not sure he was town? What was said on your mason board that might cause you to doubt his town-hood? Were you simply taking a random guess? Why did you make a completely un-forced claim as to being in his masonry, after he specifically told his recruit not to?

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What part of "I thought he was scum" do you guys not understand?

If that's the best reason you can come up with, considering the circumstances (which Juls lays out pretty clearly)...

Vote: Zwetschenwasser

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Misspelling convenient? THAT'S A SCUMTELL!

FoS: Juls

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Unvote

I might put my vote on again, but this particular quicklynch is reminding me of the other 2 days, which were both town lynches. Everyone is so involved in it, it feels scum-driven to me. It's either a heavy, heavy bus or zwets is town who has made several poor choices. I still think that zwets is scummy, but I am beginning to have my misgivings about the way everyone is pushing this lynch. Some of these people are bound to be scum, and nothing reads like a bus to me. I don't want to lose this game because we were too hot-headed and lynched everything that moved.

And besides, there are other scum besides zwets if zwets is scum, and I really think there should be more examination of this wagon before Caboose hammers. I'm probably going to go under fire from Juls and Caboose for this, and possibly everyone else, but I'm not going to let people "peer pressure" me into a possible mislynch. A quicklynch is not what we need here. We've had plenty of those.

Vote: alcove

Something about you doesn't seem right. I don't know if it's the way you ride the fence on everything, or the way you took off your vote before going to bed when someone suggested not quicklynching, then woke up and put it back on again after a few posts in between. I can't quite place it, but something about you is off. And

FoS

on Sebguer for reasons that may become apparent later.

I think we should squeeze more out of this day. I want more than a zwets-bashing party, even though it's fun. There is no reason for a quicklynch. Maybe Juls thinks a quicklynch wouldn't hurt, but I definitely think making the day last a little longer won't hurt either.

I don't like this argument.

To your brilliant little piece of argumentation there, I offer this rebuttal...

Why?

Also: Rest, your avatar made me giggle.

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I wasn't fabricating them. They just weren't very strong.

The FoS is vague for now, but I am waiting to hear from Sebguer to see if he understands why I FoSed him.

As for trying to distract from the zwets wagon, I'm perfectly willing to have zwets be today's lynch, but Caboose was about to hammer and I just didn't think the day should be finished yet. If I have to be the one under scrutiny in order to extend the day's discussion to other directions, then so be it. I'll be happy to hammer zwets, but not right now.

I could probably take a guess or two, though I'm not exactly sure. :/

I can wholeheartedly agree with not wanting to rush the lynch, however. We've already managed to do that once.

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The entire case on me is that I drew a line between town nonchalance and scum lurkiness. I've tried to play a pro-town game.

The entire case against you is that you lynched your own mason recruiter while knowing that he's actually a mason and not a cultist.

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Definition:

nothing of substance

 [nuhth-ing uhv suhb-stuhns]
-phrase
1. Of or relating to posts in the game of mafia scum by zwetschenwasser
2. The contents of reasoning provided by zwetschenwasser when issueing votes.
3. zwetschenwasser

I don't think I can explain how hard that made me giggle. Oh wait, I can.

Vigorously.

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^useless post

^most useful post he's made in this game.

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Oh, hey guys. I had class today. BUT NOW I'M HERE. Let's do this SECRET AGENT TEAM.

Vote: No Lynch

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I'll secret agent dance you all night long.

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So Rest was right.

I suspected it, mostly because Rest apparently has realllly good instincts.

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DAY OVER.
...do we get a secret agent dance?
Is that even legal?

Oh, and uh, it wasn't instincts. Rest recruited me into her masonry the first night (I'm an infiltrator), and the next night she told me who she was recruiting. And uh, he just happened to die.

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I suspected it, mostly because Rest apparently has realllly good instincts.

The whole RF thing will become clear after the game.

The game's already pretty much over, I'd venture. Just formalities to get through.

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So, I wish I could see the town's reaction when they read your post, Alcove. It's like a slap in the face. An awesome slap in the face. It needs to be accompanied by maniacal laughter.

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Rest recruited me into her masonry the first night (I'm an infiltrator)and the next night she told me who she was recruiting. And uh, he just happened to die.

Smooooooth, dude. 9_9



wait, so infiltrator doesn't mean you're already placed in the masonry to begin with?

then what's the difference between infiltrator and contact other than contact being special and shiny?


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if there's a vig+roleblocker, it will be the bad luck equivalent of losing a coin toss HOW many times in a row?

That seems highly unlikely. And, uh, infiltrator can be in an unlimited number of masonries. Anyone else want to recruit me?

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Good game!

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Actually, this is all my fault.

Pretty much you and Reecer screwed Town over.

:/

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Um... Did I miss something?

Clearly.

Vote: Zwet