Mini 735 - Bad Times In Kuribonia- Game over!

[QueenofHearts]

After reading and re reading everyone's comments two stand out as somewhat suspicious to me. Tovarish and Kierean seem to be giving reasons not to vote or not to vote for certain people, perhaps to keep people from looking too closely at them and not voting for either of them. They could be playing off of each other as they could both be Mafia, however due to the post by Tovarish with his "slap" to Kierean in post 79, I believe that is to thwart suspicion from him.

Vote: Tovarish

I don't understand where you're coming from. "These people" that Kieran and Tovarish are drawing attention to seems to be, for the most part anyway, tovarish and Kieran. If anything we're making people look more closely at ourselves than any other players. How is that scummy? How about instead of us playing each other off of each other, have you considered us looking for scum?

In any case

unvote

and I shall relegate my vote to FOS-Kieran, while flawed logic may not be great for the town, I admit I have cursed myself with a kind of tunnel-vision as of the moment.

Where I am coming from is that on day one Mafia can and will vote for each other to distance themselves from each other. This is similar to FOS each other where these votes do not appear to be very serious in terms of actually getting one or the other lynched.

As for scum hunting, you have already explained your failure to do this, by having "tunnel-vision."

I'm still here. It's just you guys seem to post in bursts to me.

Kirean, I suspect is Innocent, but 12 might be using logic to cover up being a Mafia!

Vote: 12

If anyone somehow gets me to stop believing this, I will unvote.

At Reecer: Now you vote for 12 saying he might be using logic, where is your reason for this? I don't believe it is the town's position to prove your theory correct. You need to validate your own vote which you failed to do.

Additionally, you fail to explain how you go to the above (post 86) from:

Well I say either Kieraen or Tovarish. I'm still not voting, though.

Maybe it your lack of logic that's scummy.

Vote: reecer6

[Qanqan]

Ehh... We haven't seen qwints for 4 days now (but he's still posting in other threads...)

...and happy birthday QueenofHearts

[Qanqan]

hmm, after re-reading the thread, Reecer seem a little liberal with the unbacked suspicion throwing.

To me, it sounds like inexperience as a scum, since in my first game I ever played, I acted basically the same way, and just so happened to be a werewolf, so...

unvote: MonkeyMan576; vote: Reecer6

.

(I hope that isn't flawed logic... might make me look scummy )

[Reecer6]

Do I REALLY have to role claim now?
I will if I have to.

[qwints]

sorry, the other games have been more interesting.

Time to remove my random vote.

unvote

Why does reecer have to claim?

[Qanqan]

Do I REALLY have to role claim now?
I will if I have to.

I'll keep voting you until you do.

[Prof. Guppy]

Do I REALLY have to role claim now?
I will if I have to.

Don't claim. Not yet, anyway. Just tell me why you changed your mind about Kieraen. I don't think your under the threat of a lynch. Maybe you are, I'm not sure. Where's that damn vote count?

[Kieraen]

Role claim wouldnt prove anything at this point.

Unfotunetly REECER it wouldn't be a good defense, as you have nothing to show us, and no proof that your telling the trueth.

I suggest you use logic and reason out of this situation, because if your townie, lying of having a role, your lies will get you killed one day,
and if your a powerrole or mafia you will claim doctor anyway.

I would argue that if you role claim you will jepodise the town into a state of chaos, if others (Mafia or others with a vested interest) will claim and counter claim roles.

I URGE you to NOT role claim, we are still so early in the game, and all people are asking for is clarification on your voting.


@TOVARISH, we seem to be entrenched against each other, however we agree on one thing, the one thing we have done is encourage guilt against ourselves. I would suggest we that this would reveal us to be inexpierenced mafia, townie, or a genuis mafia with a master plan (ps im joking here)

@everyone
FINAL NOTE ON SYSTEMATIC VOTING
I didn't intend this to be such a hot potato. My attitude towards this system has changed to an article I have read called BURDEN OF PROOF. read its only four lines long,
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... n_of_Proof

[Reecer6]

Ummm...'

UNVOTE

Also Kirean, I RWALLy think you are innocent now, so, can we Pm other people during the day part?

[Kieraen]

REECER please explain the last explanation.

I dont understand the implications of your comment, but i understand your trying to make me look suspicious after I became suspicious of your unexplained, unvoted for 'suspicions' which were not town friendly, they just encouraged early lynching.

@EVERYBODY
Just to clarify I haven't private messaged anybody from this game or any other. Can anyone clarify what the hell REECER is on about?

Okay I feel it is time to promote FOS against REECER into

VOTE:REECER

.

Short answers that have typicaly included 'I am suspicious of (insert people with most votes here)', and have done nothing but add fuel to a fire. Now i find myself under an unspecified accusation that i dont understand.

[kuribo]

Day 1
Vote Count 2- The Return:

Reecer- 4 (Kieraen, QueenofHearts, Reecer, Kieraen)
Kierean- 2 (houseofcards, MonkeyMan576)
Tovarish- 1 (ting =))


With

12

alive, it's

7

to lynch!

[Kieraen]

MOD
YOU PUT MY VOTE DOWN TWICE FOR REECER.

HE ONLy HAS THREE VOTES!!!!

PLEASE EVERYONE BE AWARE OF THIS!!!"

[MonkeyMan576]

Why would you be able to PM Kierian if he wasn't your mason from the beginning?

Unvote:
Vote:

Reecer

[Kieraen]

MOD

YOu have stated that REECER has voted for himself??

COME ON MOD whats the REAL VOTE COUNT

[Kieraen]

Sorry MOD I have voted twice for REECER. I thought I had only voted once after my FOS.

However please be speedy in correcting your vote count. A quick read of what you have written will point out inconsistencies.

[kuribo]

Sorry, guys.

CURRENT VOTE COUNT

Day 1
Vote Count 2.5- The Fix:

Reecer- 4 (Kieraen, QueenofHearts, MonkeyMan576, Qanqan)
Kierean- 1 (houseofcards,)
Tovarish- 1 (ting =))

With

12

alive, it's

7

to lynch!

[Kieraen]

Cheers for correction MOD.

@REECER I maintain I will retract my vote for you if you can logically explain your actions. Explain yoursuspicion of myself and TOVARISH?. Or are you now suspicios of yourself as you have the highest vote count.

Also I would like an explaination as to what post 108 meant, or incinuated.

[Reecer6]

I guess...

Vote: Qanqan

[Kieraen]

DEFEND YOURSELF.

Your starting to sabotage the game! Not answering my call as mafia or as town makes no sense! Your highly suspicious and likely to be kicked out, based on less than ten lines of dialogue! Talk maybe your innocent! How can we know? TALK!

[Reecer6]

I AM innocent! And if you lynch me, You'll make a HUGE mistake! Just see!

[ting =)]

...this page was really painful to read. You don't have to use caps and exclamation marks for every sentence, you know.

I really don't like Reecer after all this. I also don't like the PM comment. I'm not sure what to think of Kier's reaction either.

Unvote. Vote:Reecer.

That's L-2, I think. My vote is for the weird comment about 12, and this whole page especially the qanqan vote.

[Polymorph]

That's not a logical argument at all! In mafia, only the most gullible of people would take your word without proof, so saying "I AM innocent!" isn't going to help.

I mean, I could say that I'm a daykilling mason cop doctor, (yes that example is extreme, but still.) but who in the world would believe me just because I said that? We're asking you to state proof, and you haven't shown it to us yet, so

Vote Reecer

[Polymorph]

EBWOP: I didn't mean to put him at L-1 like this, but we posted at about the same time.

[ting =)]

Unvote.

We're in page 5. I don't think I'm comfortable with anyone being at L-1 so soon.

[Tovarish]

I don't see timeframe being relevant if Reecer's gonna keep playing like a jackass ting. That said, I'll wait until midnight for reeecer to explain himself beofre I make this L-1.