Mini 701 - That's a Wrap! (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

...so, you think I'm telling the truth about being a cop but lying about being roleblocked?

[mrfixij]

Correct. I've seen it done in AIM mafia to pin a shot on someone that you have a strong gut on, while holding a scan (usually a second inno) for your own personal knowledge to be revealed during twilight.

[SpyreX]

I'll nip that theory in the bud. I'm not lying. No way would I lie at this juncture about that.

However, like I said, all I know is that I didn't get my result - and the reason for that was NOT because Ecto died. If there is another theory aside from me being roleblocked, I'd hear it.

[TDC]

Okay, first of: Why would a JK be blockable? As in, why would a Roleblocker's block have precedence of being resolved voer the JK's jail? I would expect them to be resolved at the same time..
mrfixij: Did you receive mod confirmation of being blocked?
Why do you think that SpyreX is only lying about the block and not all together?

I'm not sure what dj wants to hear from me.

SpyreX: Why investigate Ecto?
When did you confirm with the Mod that not receiving a result was not caused by Ecto being dead?

More later.

[springlullaby]

Wait before doing anything, I'm getting confirmation on something.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX: Why investigate Ecto?
When did you confirm with the Mod that not receiving a result was not caused by Ecto being dead?

The thought process was like this for Ecto:

I knew you and ort were confirmed town. IF fix was town, ort was going to be protected and, thusly, fix was going to be a target.

So, if fix was the projected target AND my investigation comes back on Ecto regardless of what it was - we win right there (either the other scum caught / 4 confirmed town against 2 unknowns).

As soon as I got the prod that the day had started and I saw Ecto was dead I asked about my investigation.

[springlullaby]

Ok, if someone want to claim vig kill, they do it now.

[don_johnson]

not here. i am vanilla.

spyrex: no insanity clause?

[SpyreX]

The exact opposite. I am confirmed over and over again to be Sane (which is new to me, but).

[don_johnson]

i will await claims from TDC and SL.

[TDC]

I'm not a vig either.

[SpyreX]

Ok, I'd really like actual claims so we can process whats going on.

[TDC]

Sure, but I'd like spring to go first on that part. I guess you agree with that sentiment.

[SpyreX]

Just a pinchu.

[mrfixij]

I've already claimed, so I can't be of any further merit. However, I'm guessing that I'm soon to be prodded, so I'm signifying that I'm still in existance.

[SpyreX]

Spring: Claim soon, fully, please.

[TDC]

Also, please include

what

you were getting confirmation on.

[don_johnson]

spyrex: just to be absolutely clear, can you paraphrase or better yet quote the results of your investigations?

[SpyreX]

Well, I have 1 result. And it is Pro-Town on TDC.

I also know very specifically I am sane.

Still waiting for Spring.

[Rage]

No votes have been made so far.

[SpyreX]

Sigh, patience is not my strong suit in this game. This is starting to drive me nuts.

Come Monday, I'm asking for a prod.

[TDC]

Well, she isn't posting anywhere else either.

[springlullaby]

Back. Claim: I'm the forensic investigator, I can determine the alignment of whomever committed a kill.

Today's death were both mafiakills, that is what I was getting confirmation on.

Breadcrumb yesterday:

BTW, you can lynch me whenever you want, but what is the use of doing it today? All you get with it is an extra nightkill. While when you leave me in the game, you can lynch someone else, and with that you would make the amount of possible scum smaller. When lynching me, you only give scum a free kill on a confirmed player. Think about it, is it that usefull to lynch scum when you got him for sure? Does it matter if you lynch him right away? I think it does, you loose the opportunity of using the towns best weapon for

searching

, as you have already found me. The only thing that stands between you and a win, are my partners, you only need to find them, you could lynch me anytime...

I was gonna say myk scum isn't so clear cut to me because counterclaiming doc as scum is just dumb but that solves it. Out of interest, what did you try to achieve by that counterclaim? It seems very short term reward to me.

Anyway, I stand by the Vollkan lynch, skimming over the last page I don't think the claim would have changed my mind much, especially with the counterclaim. Contrarily to Spyrex, I think it was a very plausible counterclaim.

Also, yes, Jailkeeper+doc+masons does look overpowered, even with more than two scums. Now I'd like to know why mrfixij felt the need to softclaim D1 if he is what he says he is.

Note here that I don't like the SK talk at all, how does 2 potential kills per night works in a 10 people town?

Rereading.

Meaning, the kill was not SK yesterday.

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This means 2 mafia of 2 and 1 each. This means town has a chance to win only if we lynch the 2 man mafia.

Right now I'm very much doubting Spyrex' claim:
1. I very much doubt there is another investigative role on top of mine.

2. The breadcrumb Spyrex pointed to sucks. It doesn't indicate anything positive, just that 'he knows'. Which leaves big room on claiming whatever he likes on TDC's alignment. I would expect a cop breadcrumb to be a positive indication of guiltiness or innocence.

3. I still think his play D1 was very scummy.

This is very relevant in light of the fact that I think Spyrex is part of the 2 man mafia, gambitting to the finish line. He is either telling the truth about TDC or TDC is his scumbuddy.

Mrfixit is either telling the truth or remaining member of the mykonian scumgroup.

Thoughts?

[TDC]

Interesting.

I'm vanilla.

This is very relevant in light of the fact that I think Spyrex is part of the 2 man mafia, gambitting to the finish line. He is either telling the truth about TDC or TDC is his scumbuddy.

How does the latter make sense? If he's in the two-man group, then mykonian is his buddy.

That is unless you think a one-man scum group (in that case, mykonian) would not be called "Serial Killer". But even if that was the case, why would myk bother drawing out the Doc if he didn't have a partner who could benefit from it?

A few questions for our three claimed power roles:

SpyreX: I forgot this earlier, why investigate me of all people N1? Myk was obvscum, but I remember you being pretty suspicious of both spring and dj.

springlullaby: What do you think about SpyreX claim? Quite risky to claim Cop that early, especially considering that Cop's are not all that uncommon?
Why are you so sure that there would not be two investigative roles, especially considering that your claimed investigative role is not that investigative anyway? The only thing it does is confirm something we already know (by nobody claiming Vig): There is an SK. The only chance for you ever to catch scum with it was if someone claimed Vig.
As for his breadcrumb. Well, he certainly could claim guilty on me, because he didn't attack me yesterday at all. I don't see any other use for it, or what are you thinking of?

mrfixij: In light of there now definitely being an SK:

But regardless, I am the town jailkeeper. I serve as a roleblocker and a doctor at the same time. I jailed mykonian last night.

The only reason I can think that I am alive is that he tried to kill me, and we have another killing role that fired, be it vig or SK. I don't see any reason for a vig to kill a claimed mason, so I'm guessing we have an SK on the loose.

Underlining mine.

So, why did you dismiss the - at the time - quite possible explanation of mykonian's partner killing orangepenguin and just not bothering about your mystery claim?
This reeks of "Well, we didn't kill orangepenguin, so there MUST be an SK."
The only thing that bugs me about this theory is that it would require the myk-mrfixij scum team to pull a no-kill gambit to confirm mrfixij's upcoming jailkeeper claim. (I could see mrfixij as roleblocker, and maybe he even actually targetted myk for added bonus in case of a tracker/watcher. I can see him as scum roleblocker, because he never seems to have considered that his role is not just a blocker but also a doc).

Either way, I find ortolan dying despite mrfixij allegedly jailkeeping him very unconvincing.
Does anybody really think a jailkeeper can be blocked by a roleblocker?

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I will need to think about spring's claim (it is quite the unorthodox role for a mini normal, and it's not particularly useful either).

[TDC]

EBWOP: He certainly

couldn't

claim a guilty on me.