Just as a note, I've not actually played a game to completion yet (I'm in the middle of 3, this being one of them)
jayfin3 wrote:Ok, Azhrei you seem to be avoiding my accusation. Maybe I just wasn't clear.
My case against Azhrei is this:
1)He avoided taking the spotlight D1, by either hammering Vampirific, or stalling the lynch on Vampirific, both of which he would have reasons to do:
a)Hammering Vampirific: Azhrei states that his "instincts and my logic tell me he is scum", yet he won't hammer,
even though there are 4 votes on Vampirific already, presumabley from people who feel the same way.
. I don't understand the hesistation to hammer. it's not rushing the game, everyone has already stated how they feel.
And then,
if you still felt like hammering was too quick, why didn't you tell people to back off of Vampirific's lynch?
b)Getting Vamp off of L-1: If you felt so strongly about not rushing the game (which is what you are claiming), why not tell people to back off of Vampirific for the moment?? Clearly, what you are doing here, is avoiding the hammer (and attention), and letting someone else take it. In this case, it was your mafia partner (unlucky)
I was undecided about Vamp's alignment. Going logically from what he posted, he seemed scummy. When reading his posts, I thought 'scummy'. But when it came down to actually voting for him, it just didn't seem right. Hence, I posted what I posted and did not cast the hammer (as that is not really something you can rescind). It didn't occur to me to try and back T-Rex off, truly.
jayfin3 wrote:
2)I know you voted Benmage, it's pretty obvious, and I don't see how I'd overlook that. Obviously i was taking that into account. The thing is, when you posted the post I quoted, it was a bit before you voted Benmage. I think that you figured out that since he was in such deep water, it would be better to vote him. Its called 'bussing', and it makes sense in a scenario such as that.
I've heard of the technique. That's not what I did. At the time of that post, the
only
person voting for benmage was magis (most likely due to his investigation). Nobody else, myself included, had felt there was sufficient evidence at the time to vote for him. We all had our suspicions, but were not convinced. Also, as this is a newbie game, I was unsure whether Benmage's actions were a result of him being new, rather than scum.
Now, shortly after that post, I was not able to access MS for a day or two (I was at a mate's place), and as such, did not post for a short period of time. When I got back, and saw how Benmage had continued to act really scummy, I then posted my reasons and voted for him. Shortly after, magis confirmed that he was scum through his investigation, and we lynched him.
jayfin3 wrote:
3)Both of your posts that I quoted struck me as being particularly scummy. I don't know, just that gut feeling. For reference, I'm referring to posts 89 and 168.
Well, I guess I can't help your gut feeling.
jayfin3 wrote:
That's all folks. I'm doing my best to ignore trex's play before i replaced him, since I already know my role, there is nothing to deduct from it. unfortunately t-rex acted somewhat scummy while he was here, but there's nothing I can do about that, so while I still encourage you to take his actions into account, rightt now it is me playing, and not him.
Um, this sounds like your trying to get us to ignore what T-Rex has done previously, and make us forget about it all. Why so? Is there something there you don't want us to notice?
magisterrain wrote:well, jayfin, i applaud your effort to at least appear to be scumhunting. i can somewhat see your argument against azhrei as well. i also can understand charrats argument against you. although you might wish to distance yourself from t-rex's bevior, you have his role, so his play may very well be a good indication of what role you have. you would almost have to try to overcompensate for his play to avoid suspicion. and you are.
the problem i see with your argument is simply that azhrei is much more inexperienced than you and could simply have not thought through his actions earlier in the game. he might not have known how to stop a lynch, or even that it would occur as fast as it did. he also may not have been all that willing to bus his partner. that is, unless he is less naive about mafia than he has led us to believe.
i'd like to see azhrei's reply to this post and jayfins last post before i comment any further.
I wouldn't know the first thing about stopping a lynch, never even tried to do it before. As I said above, I haven't played a game to completion. And if I was mafia, I'd have either voted for him earlier, or not at all. It was reasonably clear where we were headed at that point, and if I was his partner (and hence knew he was scum) I'd be reasonably sure that the town was gonna get him. All the signs were certainly pointing that way. Thing is, I'm not mafia.
magisterrain wrote:
as somewhat of an aside, is there any way to win if we all claim? we could lynch the wrong person and then lose someone during the night, but we would still be 2-1 the next day, right? and then people should be able to figure out from incorrect counter claims whos who?
kinda risky though, so i do NOT think we should claim at the moment. just wondering what others think.
I don't think this would be a good thing to do. If the scum has half a brain, he'll just claim vanilla, and we won't narrow down our suspects at all. And the scum will know who the doctor is. Very bad for us.
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