Mini 703 - A Roccisi Autumn - Over

[afatchic]

Can someone explain to me what exactly about what i have done they don't like? i have clearly stated that i would be voting tubby, which would tie the votes up, forcing someone to switch wagons, and i wanted us to be able to see who hopped and be able to question them prior to the day ending.

However ThAd just said he would be voting IP prior to deadline, which will be the hammer on him so this seems irrelevant now...

[Adel]

why do you want tubby to be lynched instead of IP?

[afatchic]

alot of what IP has done can be related to general newbness... however Tubby has been here the whole game and the majority of his posts add up to hey ill catch up later, and never does. he seems to have active lurked most of the game, and when he did post it came across scummy. The thing i really didn't like was his post to start day 2. after the kill he already starts trying to narrow down the mafia based on who it could be because of who had voted him the day before(other way around actually). To me it seemed like a bad attempt to try and setup a lynch using your night kill. and miraculously one of the three"finalist" for his possible scum that would kill Mac turned out to be Rage, who was under pressure day one i believe.

Adel which do you find scummier and why since your and/or ThAd will be the hammer. and since ThAd just said he would be voting IP it looks like in a way you set yourself up to take the hammer, so whos it gonna be?

[Adel]

I'm not sure yet. The way Korts has been setting me up to take a fall if tubby is scum kinda wants me to see tubby lynched... it kind of indicates to me that tubby is more likely to be scum regardless of Kort's alignment than I would otherwise think.

In terms of wagons, tubby's seemed to form more easily, but with several disclaimers to the effect of "I'm not sure if anyone could avoid looking scummy". I have an allergy to people trying to dodge accountability for their votes.

The IP wagon was harder to form, which is usually a minor sign that the target is scum, but I don't really want to vote with tubby and rage -- even if I knew they were both town I don't think I would trust their judgment.

[Adel]

@tuby and ip:

any last words?

[Adel]

@ThAdmiral: please vote so I can hammer.

[Kison]

Slick.

I endorse the above post.

I feel safer saying I will vote tubby prior to deadline. i don't want to let someone save IP and switch wagons without some questioning behind it. this way if someone votes Tubby they need to treat it like a hammer and be able to explain their actions, and i would also like to allow them to be questioned if any one sees fit prior to the hammer. i never like people jumping wagons and hammering, then giving them three days with there scum buddies to come up with an excuse.

Were someone to suddenly switch their vote at the last minute in the manner you describe, that would provide valuable information. Do you not think that would be a good person to look into the following day?

[afatchic]

Slick.

I endorse the above post.

I feel safer saying I will vote tubby prior to deadline. i don't want to let someone save IP and switch wagons without some questioning behind it. this way if someone votes Tubby they need to treat it like a hammer and be able to explain their actions, and i would also like to allow them to be questioned if any one sees fit prior to the hammer. i never like people jumping wagons and hammering, then giving them three days with there scum buddies to come up with an excuse.

Were someone to suddenly switch their vote at the last minute in the manner you describe, that would provide valuable information. Do you not think that would be a good person to look into the following day?

i do, but i would rather "look into them" today if we were able to.

[TDC]

I'm slightly confused by nobody noticing, but I'm pretty sure Adel has hammered tubby. Locking thread, death scene soon.. but first I'll check the votes.

[TDC]

"I'll need your help to string him up!"
"Really? Well, I'll certainly help you... wait.. he's already dead, isn't he?"
Indeed, he is.
But his car doesn't sport the family bumper sticker. And nothing in his house looks suspicious either.
That is, until you find a letter from darkdude.

Final Vote Count of Day 3

tubby216 (5): Kison, Korts, insanepenguin02, afatchic, Adel

insanepenguin02 (3): Rage, tubby216, Ectomancer
Kison (1): ThAdmiral

Deaths

tubby216 (Godfather), Mafia

Status

It is now

Night 3

. You have saved

3

days for tomorrow.
The night will last until

Friday, January 16th, 10:00 CET

.
Remember to send your night choices.

[TDC]

As the remaining members of the town gather in the town hall, they find a shattered telescope on the floor. Fearing the worst, they rush towards Rage's house. One of his windows is standing wide open and more parts of the telescope are all over the place. Someone flicks the light switch and the group is greeted by a sea of blood.

Deaths

Rage (Tracker), Town

Status

It is now

Day 4

. With 7 players alive and the 3 days saved from yesterday, this day will last at most 20 days.
So the deadline is

Wednesday, February 4th 23:30 CET.

4 votes to lynch.

[Korts]

I'm going to take a look at Adel when it's not nearly midnight.

[afatchic]

Im a bit confused as to why Rage would have been killed there...

@Adel- can you explain your actions to end the day yesterday? you hammered Tubby, then proceeded to ask ThAd to vote so you could hammer. but thAd said he would be voting IP, so did you intend to hammer IP if your tubby vote wasn't the hammer? Also why did you jump wagons so quickly, as you had been on the IP wagon, then voted me, then hammered Tubby when i voted him.

[Korts]

Im a bit confused as to why Rage would have been killed there...

This comment is scummy, and the answer obvious.

[Adel]

@Adel- can you explain your actions to end the day yesterday? you hammered Tubby, then proceeded to ask ThAd to vote so you could hammer. but thAd said he would be voting IP, so did you intend to hammer IP if your tubby vote wasn't the hammer? Also why did you jump wagons so quickly, as you had been on the IP wagon, then voted me, then hammered Tubby when i voted him.

I knew my tubby vote was the hammer. Look at the "stop hammertime" graphic I posted with it.
I jumped wagons to manipulate you and thadmiral into to strongly aligning yourselves with one of the wagons, and to make sure that I was the person left with the ability to choose between tubby and IP.

When I saw that you didn't notice that I had hammered, I played along with your ignorance in an attempt to get more information out of you.

[insanepenguin02]

@Adel- can you explain your actions to end the day yesterday? you hammered Tubby, then proceeded to ask ThAd to vote so you could hammer. but thAd said he would be voting IP, so did you intend to hammer IP if your tubby vote wasn't the hammer? Also why did you jump wagons so quickly, as you had been on the IP wagon, then voted me, then hammered Tubby when i voted him.

I knew my tubby vote was the hammer. Look at the "stop hammertime" graphic I posted with it.
I jumped wagons to manipulate you and thadmiral into to strongly aligning yourselves with one of the wagons, and to make sure that I was the person left with the ability to choose between tubby and IP.

When I saw that you didn't notice that I had hammered, I played along with your ignorance in an attempt to get more information out of you.

Ouch! But I don't know if I believe that you would be leading him on to make it beneficial for the town. I see it as you trying to make somebody mix up their words and give you a reason to build a case on them.

[afatchic]

Im a bit confused as to why Rage would have been killed there...

This comment is scummy, and the answer obvious.

How is the answer obvious? I believe the majority of the people said yesterday given tubby flipped scum, they would look at Rage today.

[afatchic]

Just an idea, but since right now it seems that tubby will be lynched, can everyone give their second suspect if:
a)Tubby is scum
b)Tubby is not scum

1. In order:
   1. Rage
   2. Adel
2. Rage

Now explain why it is obvious

[insanepenguin02]

Im a bit confused as to why Rage would have been killed there...

And I would have to say that it is quite obvious:
1) Nice "claimed" power role that could be gone and
2) You'll notice that all 5 people that voted out tubby are still in the game, therefore I suppose we would all be somewhat suspicious about each other. That also left Rage, Admiral, and Ecto as the only three left - not much choice there.

[afatchic]

Im a bit confused as to why Rage would have been killed there...

And I would have to say that it is quite obvious:
1) Nice "claimed" power role that could be gone and
2) You'll notice that all 5 people that voted out tubby are still in the game, therefore I suppose we would all be somewhat suspicious about each other. That also left Rage, Admiral, and Ecto as the only three left - not much choice there.

Huh? nearly everyone said yesterday if tubby flipped scum, their top suspect was Rage, so why was he the obvious night kill?

[insanepenguin02]

And you were also on a few lists as well.

I just think that it has something to do with everyone that voted tubby still being here. I may be wrong though.

[Kison]

Im a bit confused as to why Rage would have been killed there...

And I would have to say that it is quite obvious:
1) Nice "claimed" power role that could be gone and
2) You'll notice that all 5 people that voted out tubby are still in the game, therefore I suppose we would all be somewhat suspicious about each other. That also left Rage, Admiral, and Ecto as the only three left - not much choice there.

Huh? nearly everyone said yesterday if tubby flipped scum, their top suspect was Rage, so why was he the obvious night kill?

What do trackers do? They track. What do scum do? They kill. What happens when a tracker tracks scum who kills?

[Adel]

vote: afatchic

[ThAdmiral]

Does anyone think it is possible that ip could be scum as well?
I.e. that both major wagons yesterday were on scum?

[Adel]

here is the rest of Day 3


According to what people said yesterday, if Tubby is scum:
afatchic -> Rage
Ecto -> Rage, IP
Korts -> Rage, Adel
insanepenguin02 -> Rage, afatchic
Kison -> Adel, Rage
ThAdmiral -> afatchic or IP
Adel -> IP
*Rage-> (preferred IP over Tubby)

I have a hunch that Rage may have been a vig kill. Does anyone want to claim credit for the kill of Rage?