Mini 703 - A Roccisi Autumn - Over

[Ectomancer]

I don't see why a case is required... I'm saying that

between the two of you

, ThAdmiral would be optimal because there is more to gain from it. This is mainly in response to Rage's post at the top of this page.

Mmmm.

Alrighty. Seemed a fairly narrow focus for a post from my perspective. It's a false dilemma.

Ok, since you responded to Rage's response to Adel's question, I think you should answer Adel's sliding scale question.

Also, if you don't mind, who are your top 2 scum suspects?

[ThAdmiral]

ThAdmiral, why do you draw the conclusion that since Rage's claim is believable, his alignment must be town also? Or is the conclusion of his alignment independent of his claim?

I believe he is town since his claim lead to the lynch of a mafiate.

@ThAdmiral: do you recall ever playing in a game where I was scum before?

Yes. One of the first games I played on this site actually. Mini 548. Mastermind of sin was playing and pretty much won the game himself.
Your style was similar there (in that you did the big colorful graph thing and were quite active), however you seemed to be targeting lurkers more and I seem to remember you getting quite flustered when attacked.

[Kison]

Ok, since you responded to Rage's response to Adel's question, I think you should answer Adel's sliding scale question.

Sure.

I would say that ThAdmiral is 0 confirmed.

Nothing

about the investigation gives any indication about his alignment unless you are lynched, and even then nothing can go towards his favor. He merely received an investigation, something both scum and town can do just as easily as the other.

You are probably 7-8 on my confirmed scale, because ThAdmiral's result

does

say something about your alignment. In order for you to be scum, you must be partnered with ThAdmiral. The only exception to this that I can fathom is that you are investigation immune scum.

Also, if you don't mind, who are your top 2 scum suspects?

Rage and Tubby216. Rage because of his defense of Darkdude, which I highlight in my early posts. Tubby216, primarily, because of how he contradicted himself earlier by claiming that he never found the darkdude case to be valid despite having actually said that early on day two.

[afatchic]

The only exception to this that I can fathom is that you are investigation immune scum.

I really don't think this should ever happen in this type of setup. Given the fact its an amn. cop instead of a regular cop, i don't think sanity, or anything like that should be worried about to much.

[Adel]

since this is a semi-open with all roles and abilities listed, investigation-immune scum is not something we need to worry about. It isn't listed.

Kison is pinging on my scumdar.

[Kison]

since this is a semi-open with all roles and abilities listed, investigation-immune scum is not something we need to worry about.

It isn't listed

.

Huh??

These roles are always mafia aligned:

You are a

Godfather

.

This means that you will always look innocent to cop investigations.

You are a

Goon

. You have no special powers.

???!?!!!!!?!?!?

[TDC]

Vote Count

tubby216 (3): Kison, Korts, insanepenguin02
insanepenguin02 (2): Rage, tubby216
Kison (1): ThAdmiral

Not voting (3): afatchic, Ectomancer, Adel

The deadline is extended by the two days that were lost, it's now January 17th 3:00 CET.

Prods will go out to everyone who hasn't posted until tomorrow.

[insanepenguin02]

Sorry, I'm here - just need to reread as the site being down threw me for a big loop.

[insanepenguin02]

Sorry, I'm here - just need to reread as the site being down threw me for a big loop.

[Adel]

epic reading fail. thanks for pointing out what I missed Kison.

[tubby216]

i am here and need to reread

[Adel]

vote:rage

[afatchic]

vote:rage

Reason why?

[Korts]

I believe he is town since his claim lead to the lynch of a mafiate.

So his claimed role in itself has nothing to do with your belief in his alignment?

Nevertheless, I think ThAd is town here. I'm fine with going for a tubby lynch now. If push comes to shove, I can support a Rage wagon, too, although I'm not nearly as convinced now that that's a good one.

Also, I agree with Kison's summary of ThAd and Ecto on the Sliding Scale of Confirmedness.

[Ectomancer]

Darkdude wasn't a Watcher. I had already expressed that I wouldn't be surprised to find a scum role that could see the investigations and guns being handed out. I still believe that to be the case for balance.
I don't believe that Rage should live beyond tomorrow, but I would love to give him a chance to find scum creeping around tonight.

This is a pre-eulogy bit.

[Adel]

ok, nevermind.

unvote, vote:tubby

for lynch -1

[ThAdmiral]

claim time?

[Rage]

I've just completed a lot of big projects and I've got a lot coming up, so I'll keep this post short and precise. Are there any specific points anyone would like me to respond to before we make a lynch? I know I've got to post my case on insanepenguin02 better, but I just don't have the time for that right now. I will work on it throughout today and tomorrow and I expect it to be posted tomorrow, like promised.

[Adel]

well, since there is a very good chance that you will die tonight, it would be awesome if you laid out your case against the penguin as clearly as you possibly can before this day is over.

[tubby216]

claim time?

already claimed

[Kison]

Tubmeister, what happened to this :

sorry catching up, i appologize for my absence sick kids,

thing is owe, case on IP and case on Korts _ probably post by tonite

[tubby216]

i completely lost track of it,

[Ectomancer]

Please don't lynch. I have something to say.

[Adel]

unvote

go ahead ecto.

[Ectomancer]

EBWOP: Reading between the lines, this means, Dude with the gun (I believe there is one) don't kill Rage.

I think tomorrow might be a good time for someone to claim gun possession. I tried to think of a way to make use of Rage and the gun today if we had them claim, but I was thwarted in my ideas by loopholes that were a net loss, with nothing happening but the (potential) recipient claiming.

There are reasons, alignment being one of them, for thinking about getting that claim

today

, and then doing a town vote for the victim tonight. I've already expressed that I don't think Rage is it. I'd like to see if he lives tomorrow to give us a report.
So, let's think about how things play out if we lynch Tubby, and then select a 2nd person to be our "2nd lynch" today, forcing whoever has the gun to shoot the target we select.
If scum holds it, and I almost suspect that they do, then I imagine they are waiting until we think we have another day before LYLO, and then popping us.
Now, we can't force them to say that they have it. That's ok. What we need to do is close off the avenue of someone later claiming to be pro-town with the gun and saying they will take out town's selected target when it is too late to do anything to them if they don't.
So, they claim it today and shoot our target. If he doesn't, we have our lynch target tomorrow. If Nobody claims, then we have removed from scum the chance to claim it later.

We're down to 9 players, we lost 2 power roles and only have 1 scum for it. That missing potential gun concerns me a great deal.