Mini 701 - That's a Wrap! (Game Over)

[Ectomancer]

I generally like to drag things out (long days benefit town more, blah blah blah), but I'm with Spyrex here. I dont have much to say, it isn't as though we

aren't

going to lynch Mykonian. (which limits information we get from the usual maneuvering) I believe that we really need only wait until both MrFixij and Ortolan have had their eulogy speeches. Ask for closing remarks, then prosecute the lynch.

If you decide to give me the finger for cutting off discussion, please have said discussion prepared to hand in, double spaced with margins.

[SpyreX]

BUT ITS SOO SCUMMY [/sarcasm]

Yea, I'm fine with that. Chirp chirp then lynch lynch.

[ortolan]

Either fix is lying (which I doubt because, well, with myk dead the other scum is in a bad position claiming a PR this early that is reallly hard to confirm) or the other scum performed the kill (much more likely, considering myk was a perfect target for any roles like jailkeeper, rb, etc).

I don't agree- remember mrfixij had committed himself to claiming a power role long before he actually claimed what it was. Having done that I see it as very, very possible as mafia he tried to come up with a plausible suggestion which wouldn't reveal too much to the town. For example if he'd claimed cop he'd have to explain why the hell he didn't die tonight especially when we know the doctor's dead now. Jailkeeper allows him to WIFOM around and claim he roleblocked the person who tried to kill him etc.

But he *needs* to protect me tonight, otherwise lynch him tomorrow please. The logic is scum have most to gain by killing confirmed innocents such as me because they aren't possible lynch targets. If scum instead kill non-confirmed people they narrow down the pool of people who could be scum, so it is in their interests to kill confirmed innocents. If mrfixij is telling the truth and is a town jailkeeper and protects me, then they will kill him. But he will be verified in the process. The other important thing is unless he does this, even if he is telling the truth (which I doubt at this stage) his ability is 100% useless to the town because firstly we have no reason to believe he is telling the truth, and secondly the scum can just WIFOM in return and submit a no-kill so that he then thinks the person he jailkept was the scum but in fact he is wrong. In this case we will lynch the person he claimed he jailkept, they fill flip innocent and we will want to lynch him the day after. And whenever there does happen to be a "no kill", we can't confirm if it's because he is town and jailkept the mafia player, if he is town and the mafia simply submitted a no kill, or if he is scum and deliberately submitted a nokill. But basically I'm 95% sure he's lying but on the offchance he's not, his only viable course of action as a townie is to jailkeep me tonight, in which case he will be killed but he will be verified.

[SpyreX]

I agree with your assessment with what he should do, but I'm still not sold on him definitely being scum. I mean, yes, he's going to be a natural lynch before lylo if we misguess but it seems SO ballsy and easily busted that I dont know if I can buy it.

[TDC]

however, town is definitelyu overpowered in the protection department.

Why do you know that mrfixij is town?

[don_johnson]

however, town is definitelyu overpowered in the protection department.

Why do you know that mrfixij is town?

i don't. i just don't agree with the current suspicion. he has claimed. should i not give him the benefit of the doubt?

[Ectomancer]

Great improvement from your early game Orto.
Everyone else who read his post and didn't get it, it doesn't matter if he is town or scum at this point. He does what Orto said, period.
If scum decides not to kill to setup WIFOM, awesome. One less townie dead while we unravel the string.
We need to focus on another target and worry, or not worry about MrFixij tommorrow

[TDC]

however, town is definitelyu overpowered in the protection department.

Why do you know that mrfixij is town?

i don't. i just don't agree with the current suspicion. he has claimed. should i not give him the benefit of the doubt?

It's more that your "benefit of the doubt" reads (paraphrased) "he's definitely town, but let me speculate about how weird the setup might be to accommodate him".
It's all the benefit and little of the doubt.

[don_johnson]

however, town is definitelyu overpowered in the protection department.

Why do you know that mrfixij is town?

i don't. i just don't agree with the current suspicion. he has claimed. should i not give him the benefit of the doubt?

It's more that your "benefit of the doubt" reads (paraphrased) "he's definitely town, but let me speculate about how weird the setup might be to accommodate him".
It's all the benefit and little of the doubt.

you are reaching. it is

your

paraphrase. not my words. i am speculating based on the information i have. fixijj's claim carries weight. to me it seems highly improbable that they are scum. possible, but improbable. the

why

of fixijj's survival is entirely wifom. do you think it a fruitful discussion for town? i would prefer that fix answer my original question: why the soft claim?

[mykonian]

Great improvement from your early game Orto.
Everyone else who read his post and didn't get it, it doesn't matter if he is town or scum at this point. He does what Orto said, period.
If scum decides not to kill to setup WIFOM, awesome. One less townie dead while we unravel the string.
We need to focus on another target and worry, or not worry about MrFixij tommorrow

Finally someone sees how orto is playing. He plays like a confirmed mason should. Congrats Orto, you finally convinced more people. The vollkan lynch was a good thing for you.

and Ecto, nice of you to tell us who not to kill

[SpyreX]

Wow I was all ready to get crazy on the thread and then I realized its Myk talking.

So, who are you going to recommend to SL tonight? Hmm?

@DJ:

I know this is going to come as a shocker, but you dont read as "kind of believing" fix is town - your statement reads as he is town. So, no, not surprised by TDC's question.

Of course, I'm anxiously await more votes to murder this sucka'

[TDC]

I thought we were waiting for mrfixij.

[SpyreX]

Thats what I'm eluding too.

Although its kind of moot. As Ecto and ort have said, if fix is town he's protecting ort (or himself based on my wifom'd)

So, either way the plans are set.

[mykonian]

Wow I was all ready to get crazy on the thread and then I realized its Myk talking.

So, who are you going to recommend to SL tonight? Hmm?

DJ obviously, he seems to be her biggest competitor

[mykonian]

And you are so rude...

can't we all live in harmony?

[mrfixij]

I softclaimed because Spyre's case was reliant on a lack of other power roles. JK is a very protown role, but really, REALLY goddamn scummy because there's no way to prove it. Should suspicion have been shifted to me, I'd rather have not needed to claim JK out of the blue because it would have been the same WIFOM discussion we're having now, but a lot closer to a mislynch. Not to mention the fact that while I agreed with Spyre's case on spring at the time, it was a factor that Spyre hadn't addressed. In fact, by stating that his case was dependant on having no other power roles, he himself was softclaiming in my opinion. The difference is that my softclaim was much more pronounced.

So in essence, I softclaimed for two reasons: 1. preemptive survival
2. filling in the gaps on Spyre's otherwise solid case.

[mykonian]

lies, all lies!

[ortolan]

Vote: mykonian

[springlullaby]

Having fun aren't you?

Done rereading.

I'm good with lynching mykonian.

For the record, I think TDC is very scummy for taking zero stand. I'm very unhappy Volk didn't turn out scum because I think Spyrex was very scummy D1, but I don't think he could be faking the 'told you so-ness' that well.

Vote:mykoninan

[TDC]

Zero stand on what?
Myk is obviously scum, not much else to do today.
Love your "I'm good with lynching mykonian".. as if there ever was any sort of alternative.

I assume mrfixij not objecting implies consent with our plan for his jailkeeping, so

vote: mykonian

.

Not sure whether we need one more?

[mykonian]

Vote:mykoninan

you want to kill me, fine...
even if I haven't done anything but lying about my role.

But could you at least spell my name right?

[Ectomancer]

vote mykonion

[SpyreX]

Unvote

I've CHANGED MY MIND

Wait

Vote: MiConeIANZ

[Rage]

Vote Count - Day 2

With

8

alive,

5

votes is majority.

mykonian - 6 (Ectomancer, springlullaby, ortolan, don_johnson, mrfixij, Spyrex)

Not Voting - (mykonian, TDC)

With the only votes of the day, and more than enough for majority,

Mykonian

has been lynched!

So, after a misguided lynch on the previous day, the enraged members of the Town quickly came to the conclusion that Mykonian had to be one of whatever scum they were trying to find. They quickly hung a noose over his head and did away with that awful business of hanging him from a tree.

As his body slumped over from its last convulsion, and his last breath escaped his mouth, a few items dropped out of his coat. A small piece of paper with an illegible name scratched out, a pen, and an airline ticket for later in the day, with his name written on the back. It seem as though he wanted to get out of this town as fast as he possibly could!

Well, at least he had contributed to the town's economy in his final efforts to escape.

Mykonian, a

Mafia Goon

, has been lynched.

If you have a night action, please send it to me by

Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 @ 6:00 PM (EST)

. Night will last until then.

[Rage]

Again, the sun rose, and so did the heads of the town. They collected in an all too familiar place once again. Someone did a head count, and found two people missing.

"Hey, Ortolan and Ectomancer aren't here!"
"Huh, big surprise

you

know who's missing."
"Well

you

are quick to jump on me!"
"Be quiet, both of you! We need to find them!"

The Town decided to discover what had happened to Ortolan first, and to find out there was only one thought that crossed their mind. A visit to the clubhouse in the middle of the forest. Upon entrance into it through an lockless door, they found a collapsed Ortolan, with a blood-drenched face and a hole between his eyes. On the ground beneath him lay a picture of orangepenguin and him, with his arm over orangepenguin's shoulders. They were the best of friends it seemed, and Ortolan had been visiting the clubhouse one last time. There was no need to look into Ortolan's death further. The man had been murdered.

Ortolan, the last

Mason

, has been eliminated from the game.

As they tried to shake off, or pretend to shake off, the death of their Town's mason group, they soon remembered there had been another death in the night. They headed over to Ectomancer's house to discover his identity, only to find the door already opened, and a blood trail leading down from the upper level. They rushed into his bedroom to find that Ectomancer had been killed in his sleep, with a picture of his family over his chest. After a thorough inspection, they found nothing suspicious and nothing out of order. He had been a simple man simply trying to save his town from the scum infestation.

Ectomancer, a

Vanilla Townie

, has been eliminated from the game.

And with that, Day 3 has begun!

With 5 alive, majority is 3 votes.