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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:28 pm

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Ok I finished reading a bit later then I thought I would. my bad. I'll give a post stating all suspicions and who I think is in which group after I cover one other thing currently being discussed.

I was the first to think unconfirmed masons should be called neighbors. I am glad Bird111 decided to run a game with them. This an apropriate game to be my last game before my temp mafia leave.
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And I say its neighbors instead or neighbours because I am american!

Onto business, I believe the final group of neighbors to both be town. Carn seemed to honestly suspect Armlx earlier in the game. In the context of them both being scum in the same group, I can't see CarnCarn as being willing to bus armlx his scum buddy. Can't see him as having that kinda a motive if they had never played before and armlx didn't seem to have any pregame talk with his neighbor scum planning a back and forth bus which scum usually plan out pre-game. So the idea of them being on the same team complimented by intentions of them early bussing each other seems outlandish.

Armlx's neighbor claim after the entire situation seems to fit well as an honest explanation to others more so than a fake claim. You can call wifom if you want but I don't think he would so easily link himself to his buddy Carn when they would also have to be paried with either EJ or Detspeed as the third buddy.

Basically I am now certain they aren't scum in the same group. And that they are in fact neighbors. They were first neighbors to claim and their entire back and forth looked genuine. Onto the context of them being scum in different groups yet still neighbors. Idea sounds crazy from page one and continues on that way. Why would Carn scum seek to lynch his neighbor buddy so earlier when it could out him as a neighbor and therefore place him under alot of pressure; if Armlx wasn't revealed as scum, him turning up innocent makes Carn look guilty. Only reason Carn could genuinly take such a risk was if he did not care if he was pressured and if he genuinly didn't care then he was more intent on catching scum then avoiding suspiciouns. Scum normally care more about looking inocent then hunting scum and since Carn seems to fall into the reverse catgory he must be town.

Only possibilities allowing symetry in scum groups are:
1. Both scum same group not neighbors
2. Both scum different group still neighbors
3. Both town still neighbors
4. One of them is an sk :lol:

And so since option 4 is just a joke :wink:, only option 3 allows Carn to be town and therefore Armlx must also be town. Basically something simular to what was said in post 348. With that settled its onto finding out who is scum among everyone else.

If 3/3 then everyone else is scum but me. If 2/2 then most of everyone else is scum. I think I already know who is in each group of those left. I'll show you these cases in my next post.

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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:10 pm

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A side note: the scum know for sure that armlx and I are town (unless the neighbors were not grouped symmetrically, which I doubt at this point).

armlx, what does a non-symmetrical arrangement of the neighbors do to the balance?

I pick ZazieR to claim next.
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:43 pm

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Woooooooooooooow, I've been gone for a long time, I'm surprised that I wasn't replaced, but I checked, and yeah, I'm still technically in this game. Sorry about that folks. But the holidays are finally over, and its a new year, which means more consistent internets again.

Still catching up on details, but I've skimmed most of the more important parts. (The ends and beginnings of entire days I missed. =\ )

But I am mostly here now.
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:08 am

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Nice of Santos II to sign his own death warrant.

My money would be on the rope being the correct method.
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:10 am

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Read sig.
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:10 am

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I play with sigs off. :(
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:54 am

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Sig says:
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:12 pm

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armlx, what does a non-symmetrical arrangement of the neighbors do to the balance?
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:54 pm

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lol
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:01 am

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Vote Count:

Not voting (7): armlx, Santos II, SocioPath, ribwich, Battle Mage, ZazieR, CarnCarn

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Gun (0): No one
Rope (0): No one

Not voting for a lynch method (7): armlx, Santos II, SocioPath, ribwich, Battle Mage, ZazieR, CarnCarn

Right now, if a lynch goes through, the town will not be able to figure out how to kill the person
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:00 pm

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I am back.

Bluehost ate a post of mine as it crashed.

Will have an analysis on those still alive as soon as possible.
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:08 pm

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Prodding everyone so that I know who is back.
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:46 pm

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I'm here, waiting for ZazieR to claim next.
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:54 pm

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I am still here catching up on the holiday postings that I missed so I fully know what the crap is going on.
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:48 pm

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CarnCarn wrote:I'm here, waiting for ZazieR to claim next.
This.
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:50 am

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armlx wrote:
CarnCarn wrote:I'm here, waiting for ZazieR to claim next.
This.
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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:08 pm

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I'm a townie. The Fonz, you're up next.
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:40 am

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VT.
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:03 am

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VT as in Vanilla Townie or are you claiming Vengeful Townie?
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:04 am

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Vanilla.

(LOL vengeful townie would be awesome though).
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:09 pm

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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:14 pm

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I don't understand how the town can win.

Hypothetically, if another townie is killed wouldn't the 2 mafias eventually hold majority? Or does one mafia or the other have to kill the other if say only one townie, one Corsican and one Sicilian are left?
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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:19 am

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Santos wrote:I don't understand how the town can win.

Hypothetically, if another townie is killed wouldn't the 2 mafias eventually hold majority? Or does one mafia or the other have to kill the other if say only one townie, one Corsican and one Sicilian are left?
In a 1-1-1 endgame, the rational thing for the townie to do is force no-lynch, then the optimal scumplay is to kill each other. Result = town win.
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:34 am

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armlx wrote:
armlx, what does a non-symmetrical arrangement of the neighbors do to the balance?
Bad shit.
Like what
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:40 am

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CarnCarn wrote:
armlx wrote:
armlx, what does a non-symmetrical arrangement of the neighbors do to the balance?
Bad shit.
Like what
Gives one group more info then the other, which leads to differing win percentages between supposedly even groups.
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