Apologies for not responding sooner in this regard.
Page 2: charter and afatchic take the same sides in calling out KrisReizer. However, charter is doing so to defend JDodge (35, 39), while afatchic seems more to be talking to KR (41, 45).
Page 3: charter pushes KR (who JDodge is also hating) (52); afatchic acts mildly and looks at other people (every post). Counterpoint:
afatchic 68 wrote:also aviny you seem to be trying to hard to make a case against me. im sure you can pick and choose anyone in the game and find posts that don't fit right or something, so what makes mine right there so bad?
i was just explaining my thoughts on the topic at the time, which i would consider helpful. so for right now my vote just went from random to serious. that was some good guessing on page 1 wasn't it!
This seems like a scummy reaction to being called a fluffposter - asking "why not pick on someone else, since I think you could" seems like denying any case on him at all.
afatchic 72 sees him call Moospiker on OMGUS; charter simply blows smoke to say Moospiker is probably scum (the reason was stated earlier as Moospiker "fishing for power roles" by asking for a claim on Page 3, which I don't grasp the logic behind; see Page 8) (74).
Page 4: afatchic 75 seems pro-Town. His reasons for not voting Moospiker to L-1 seem pro-Town, whereas charter refuses the "newb card". Again I see they're agreeing, but I like afatchic's way of going about it than charter's.
Page 5: charter calls afatchic on "coming around" to the Moospiker case (104, 109), but afatchic and Moospiker counter that they have been dialoguing for "half the game". afatchic 110 is a thorough rebuttal of it that reads to me as very pro-Town. charter counters by asking why afatchic didn't express disapproval of the claim until after charter did, but I think this is a weak point - people don't have to say EVERYTHING they're suspicious of at any given time, though it helps. JDodge attacks afatchic for "awkward buddying to Moo" (117), which doesn't make sense IMO. charter 121 denies Moospiker 98 (giving up) is a bad post and calls it a Town point, but keeps his vote on him while calling afatchic on his vote on Moospiker (huh?).
Page 6: charter 128 pushes the Moospiker lynch (without giving any indication he did the reread to see if Moospiker was a good votee in 109). afatchic 136 votes Moospiker after asking why he should be lynched largely because the game has come to a halt, and I can sympathize, having been in similar situations. charter declines to talk about his suspicions, saying he shouldn't do so before night; afatchic agrees here.
Page 7: However, after Moospiker claims, charter still refuses to do discuss his opinions even though they're no longer in a near-night situation (152)! afatchic explains the near-night reason for not talking about their suspicions, but he wasn't being asked to list his suspicions so :v
JDodge (155) votes afatchic and basically tells us to figure out the reason on our own; also says charter gets "points off". JDodge (160) also hits afatchic in for apparently trying to use Moospiker's breadcrumb against him, when that's not what he was doing. It seems to me that JDodge already knew Moospiker was telling the truth.
charter 162 puts up a case against Avinyl, which was kinda holey but since most cases have been up to this point I'm not interested in poking it. afatchic 168 sounds like legitimate townie RAGE at the stuff being pushed on him.
Page 8: charter calls Moospiker's breadcrumb b.s. because he asked for a claim. afatchic agreed, but M-M started to dialogue on it. As soon as that happened, charter stopped the conversation immediately. When asked to give his opinion on afatchic, he says "eh, null". Woo. I think my initial read of afatchic's posts was mistaken.
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Lots of pages where charter asks OMG VOTE ELDARAD OMG VOTE ELDARAD PRODS PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE ELD, which I've already expressed disapproval of.
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Page 14: charter likes me more now that I'm not voting him and questioning eldarad.
Page 15: kuribo puts out the hate on me, massively, mostly stemming from KrisReizer. No negative comments on JDodge. kuribo characterizes afatchic as seeming scummy regardless of alignment, which especially in light of the earlier analysis is striking in a bad way. kuribo says I haven't answered "other suspicions" he has of me, but doesn't say what they are. charter 362 catches this nicely; he also asks why kuribo no longer suspects Moospiker after Page 6 (this question never gets answered). JDodge jumps off afatchic/kuribo and onto eldarad, reportedly because it's more likely to reach a lynch before deadline. kuribo basically admits his case on me is a result of KrisReizer's scumminess in 370. charter pressures JDodge (weakly) for his vote on eld, which seems strange considering his incessant insistence to vote eldarad.
Page 16: JDodge weakly distances from kuribo by wondering why he didn't see KrisReizer as pro-Town in the least (388). charter gives up on JDodge and goes back to eldarad :v
Day 2: kuribo denies JDodge's attempt to get either charter or kuribo lynched today, while charter is the first one to propose credence to it even though initially he doesn't understand it (521, 523). I like kuribo's openness. charter 541 says that Vi is generically scummier than a specific point on JDodge, which is odd (I'm still not sure how I became scummy IHO in the first place, aside from because I voted him D1). charter is obviously eating out of JDodge's hand theorywise; I agree with kuribo 550, 551, and 554. I like charter 580 as an attempt to put together a case on the person being accused, but it IS as weak as kuribo called it out to be ("never answered questions about himself" should read "never answered questions AT himself" for it to become the only decent point against kuribo specifically).
Oh, and I somehow missed this.
charter 545 wrote:VI
Daykill: charter
Bottom line: afatchic << D1 charter < D1 kuribo < D2
Not that either of them should be today's lynch, as said before.
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charter 614 wrote:Posts like this scream vote Vi in my head. I don't do it because I think Jdodge is actually scum.
Why?
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JDodge 613 wrote:And since there has been no quicker attempt on anyone thus far, if you're saying that Vi/JD, kuribo/charter, or Sotty/anyone is anywhere near worth mentioning as a possibility at this point, you're a bit completely out of your mind.
The first two? Of course not. Sotty7/you is a possibility, albeit pretty unlikely - but still not anything I'm interested in taking a chance on.
JDodge 613 wrote:Cold, hard fact. Do the math, or look at one of my many posts where I do the math for you. Then again, I've given up on you actually reading the context of any of my statements after during our last little debate (which was, you know, actually helping) where you just said screw it and decided to completely ignore everything I said.
Your math is based on WIFOM - that the GF wouldn't counterclaim. There is no "cold, hard fact" involved.
Also, bird in hand = two in the bush, etc.
JDodge 613 wrote:Au contraire; by forcing them to agree, we guarantee that we're lynching someone at least one townie agrees upon. I want to use Sotty as a tiebreaker. Furthermore, forcing scum to commit to a suspicion is generally a good thing.
Well
obviously
in a situation where there are two scum and three for a majority one Townie is going to agree to the lynch. Forcing scum to commit isn't a bad thing, but I wouldn't use it to get a lynch. It still doesn't solve the problem of trusting that scum will bus each other to stay alive today.
Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
