Normal Game Changes (New Year 2024 Update)

[Random Nurse]

Ausuka, I wasn't discussing Datisi's game.

You can add back my post please.

[Random Nurse]

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Jesus fucking Christ I just noticed this.

I WAS DISCUSSING A FUTURE GAME OF MINE, NOT DATISI'S.

[Gypyx]

Normalize the best friend role

thoughts?

[TemporalLich]

Normalize the best friend role

thoughts?

I have made a wiki page for the Best Friend role

I am unsure if Best Friend has been used in at least two games hence its role status is currently Untested (the Known role status is for roles that have been used in at least two games and/or are Normal in any capacity).

[Gypyx]

if we include the interations where it was made with the informed modifier that's 3 games

there must've been a theme with it but i'm sadly not enough of a site veteran to know

[TemporalLich]

if we include the interations where it was made with the informed modifier that's 3 games

there must've been a theme with it but i'm sadly not enough of a site veteran to know

I'd rather not, as there is a small but not insignificant difference between Best Friends and players with the Informed role that know "You are informed that {player} is aligned with the

Town

, and are informed that {player} is

Informed

about you in the same way you are informed of {player}."

Best Friends would flip as Best Friends, confirming the nature of the information received but not the specific information. An Informed player would simply flip as Informed, giving no information to the information that was received.

Likewise, a difference in the flip applies to Companion as opposed to an Informed player who knows "You are informed that {player} is aligned with the

Town

." - Companions flip as Companions, confirming they know someone is aligned with the Town, while an Informed player flips as Informed.

[Gamma Emerald]

What is Best Friend’s “neighbor” counterpart aka you know X player has a similar role but not the alignment and there’s no communication channel?

[TemporalLich]

What is Best Friend’s “neighbor” counterpart aka you know X player has a similar role but not the alignment and there’s no communication channel?

As in the role that is to Best Friend as Coworker is to Mason?

or simply a role that forms a group with no meaningful information and doesn't give PT access?

[Gamma Emerald]

The latter

[TemporalLich]

The latter

I'm not sure the utility of such a role...

I don't think that concept has a name yet but I'd suggest the name

Groupie

.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess “no meaningful information” is not accurate to my idea
I’ll message you on discord about what I’m thinking if you’re willing

[TemporalLich]

I guess “no meaningful information” is not accurate to my idea
I’ll message you on discord about what I’m thinking if you’re willing

sure, if I couldn't discern what it was then it's even more likely to be an undiscovered role

[biancospino]

A role X that sais "You and [players] are member of a group. Each member of that group is an X and knows this" may be meaningful, thou niche. Powerwise, almost the same thing as having a bunch of Moonlight Dancers.

[Random Nurse]

Normalize the best friend role

thoughts?

I second this.

What must be done to get this ball rolling?

[Random Nurse]

For multiball Normal games could you make a modifier that makes it so the Mafia NK only works if it hits opposing Scum?

That would open up more creativity.

[Gypyx]

- That would not be very normal

- People don't run multiballs that often, like, really don't lol

[Random Nurse]

But, if there's an option, that'd be convenient for the Large Normals.

[Radical Rat]

For multiball Normal games could you make a modifier that makes it so the Mafia NK only works if it hits opposing Scum?

That would open up more creativity.

I doubt something like this would pass a review, but in theory you could just make the entire Town Bulletproof, and not make the other scum faction Bulletproof.

If you want the other scum faction to be able to hit Town, you can make them all Juggernauts. If you want the Mafia to gain the ability to kill Town after eliminating the opposing scum faction, make them all Bulletproof Enablers.

[biancospino]

I doubt something like this would pass a review, but in theory you could just make the entire Town Bulletproof, and not make the other scum faction Bulletproof.

If you want the other scum faction to be able to hit Town, you can make them all Juggernauts. If you want the Mafia to gain the ability to kill Town after eliminating the opposing scum faction, make them all Bulletproof Enablers.

the BP-Enabler bit would actually not work as intended (probably, but it may be a feature) because the BP role will be disabled as soon as a BP-Enabler dies, even if there still exist living other living BP-enablers.
But more importantly, I think that there must be at least one VT?

[biancospino]

I need a ruling on this; but if we want Red Mafia to be only able to kill Blue Mafia unless the Blue Mafia is exterminated, this may work (possibly, I don't really know); assuming 3 blue mafiosi, make all of them [Juggernaut Bulletproof-Enabler Bulletproof-Immune (Bulletproof-Immune)-Enabler (Bulletproof-Immune)-Immune ((Bulletproof-Immune)-Immune)-Enabler].

1. When the first one dies, then:
   • They should disable all BPs, but do not because they are BP-Immune, and so their effect does not "see" the BPs;
     
   • They should disable all BP-Immunes, but do not because they are (BP-Immune)-Immune, and so their effect does not "see" the BP-Immunes;
     
   • They should disable all BP-Immune-Immunes, and do.
2. When the second one dies, then:
   • They should disable all BPs, but do not because they are BP-Immune, and so their effect does not "see" the BPs;
     
   • They should disable all BP-Immunes, and do because they are no longer (BP-Immune)-Immune.
3. When the third one dies, then:
   • They should disable all BPs, and do because they are no longer BP-Immune.

Of course a 4-team Blue Mafia would require [Juggernaut Bulletproof-Enabler Bulletproof-Immune (Bulletproof-Immune)-Enabler (Bulletproof-Immune)-Immune ((Bulletproof-Immune)-Immune)-Enabler ((Bulletproof-Immune)-Immune)-Immune (((Bulletproof-Immune)-Immune)-Immune)-Enabler] etc. which grows very ridiculous very quickly