Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[hasdgfas]

(2)

May I suggest lynching Rule 0? If it's out of the game, we get to see the rest of the rules right?

This looks like something just meant to have us waste a lynch and then have a cult win. This is a terrible idea.

I still like one of my votes on SC, but:

unvote: SC(whoever is below him)
vote: tajo(pesco)

[TehVariable]

Well then, DGB was scum after all. KNEW we should have whacked her.

New Rule

Endless Eight?

DGB died to the mod-SK. It seems whoever can kill is very paranoid about my ability being a delayed vig. I kinda like calling it that now.

wow. I hope you didn't just make me a target.

I think we can safely count Vi as the cult leader.

How do you figure this? Inquisitor doesn't say much, just that he's anti town neutral. Could be an SK

I'm curious because if Pesco didn't kill DGB, how can we be sure it was the Mod-SK? The Mod-SK was already dead...

Unless the Mod-SK can come back to life? That makes no sense... Mod... Reviver... ... ...

Vote:Tar

I think he just wants to get rid of "I'm gonna claim my ability so there!" behavior without calling it jackassery.

Mod's pretty dead from the first post. Now that we know there's scum to be found, do we want to bust out my ultimate and see if I've hit any of them? I doubt I'll be NK'd by anti-town any time soon, so we'll have to go by lynch or a vig.

Depends. What do you think your chances of survival are?

Have fun guys, and save me a piece of "lie" when this is all over (guess the reference and you get a cookie)

What about the grief counseling?

OK, hasdgfas, since when is guessing how a lynch will turn out correctly scummy?

I won't answer for cow, but I'll give you a hint. That's not the scummy part.

He was anti-town, and wasn't shown as "SK" or "Mafia". The description fits pretty well, too.

Pretty sure it didn't say SK by Tar either. It was just in his PM :S

No. The only reason I know a cult exists is because of the inside information I gained as per my Ultimate activating and revealed at the start of Day 3.

Interesting.

May I suggest lynching Rule 0? If it's out of the game, we get to see the rest of the rules right?

What amazes me is no one else has thought of that.

I'll bite.

Vote Rule 0

Though, we probably have to vote the last rule to vote rule 0. Any guesses?

No.

Ironically enough, yesterday I would have answered this question differently Razz.

Well, that sure makes you look good. Especially given your recalcitrance to elaborate.

FoS Kinetic

This looks like something just meant to have us waste a lynch and then have a cult win. This is a terrible idea.

why are you so sure the cult is in the lead?

[Xylthixlm]

Oops. I thought Tarhalindur said "SK". I still think Vi was probably cult leader, based on the flavor of his death ("all he wanted was for people to learn the Khala's light"), but I'm less sure.

If cult in this game looks like the cult of pacifism in one of Tar's previous games, then cultists got an alternative second win condition, and can win by fulfilling either. Anyone think they know what the second win condition is?

[Pesco47]

If cult in this game looks like the cult of pacifism in one of Tar's previous games, then cultists got an alternative second win condition, and can win by fulfilling either. Anyone think they know what the second win condition is?

The town win condition?


I wasn't being all that serious when I suggested lynching Rule 0, otherwise I would have voted. But since we got some interested players, anyone want to share their thoughts?

[Xylthixlm]

In the previous game (I forget which one it was) the cult win condition was for there to be a nolynch.

[Pesco47]

Cult recruits have to come from some faction don't they. I'm sure I remember seeing somewhere in this game that a no lynch would also be bad. I doubt it's related to a cult though.

[Xylthixlm]

Basically, if there is a cult like Tar's previous one, there is now some action X such that:
* Doing X results in an immediate loss for the town, and win for the cult.
* There are an ever-increasing number of players who know what X is, and win if it happens.

For balance reasons, X would have to be something that the town would be fairly unlikely to do spontaneously, but could be persuaded into.

Until we know for sure what the cult win condition is, we should be

very

careful.

[Kinetic]

Something like vote for a rule to be lynched?

[Xylthixlm]

Something like vote for a rule to be lynched?

Yes, although there's an even more likely possibility.

[hasdgfas]

(3)

OK, hasdgfas, since when is guessing how a lynch will turn out correctly scummy?

I won't answer for cow, but I'll give you a hint. That's not the scummy part.

correct. It's not the guessing how a lynch will turn out, it's that you were so anti-lynch and then came out with the "I told you so", which is not usually used for any reason other than trying to get people to listen to you more, which scum quite like. I don't care if you are against a lynch, but bragging after it when we lynch someone who, by the way, wasn't a member of the town.
The "I told you so" of Kairyuu isn't as bad as the "I told you so" of DGB. DGB was mafia, and bragging about calling it makes you seem like one of her buddies to me.

May I suggest lynching Rule 0? If it's out of the game, we get to see the rest of the rules right?

What amazes me is no one else has thought of that.

I'll bite.

Vote Rule 0

Though, we probably have to vote the last rule to vote rule 0. Any guesses?

Why is anyone voting to lynch a rule? How does anyone think this is a good idea?

Statement of suspicion: TehVariable

This looks like something just meant to have us waste a lynch and then have a cult win. This is a terrible idea.

why are you so sure the cult is in the lead?

What? Wait? How can you possibly think that is me being sure the cult is near a win? That's me stating my thoughts on that statement. It doesn't make any sense at all to lynch a rule. Seems like it's just meant to have the town waste a lynch and lead to a cult win or something along those lines.


Also, I'm feeling Pesco as something like suicidal cult leader. It would make sense with the targeting, but delay of the actual action resolving until she dies.

Something like vote for a rule to be lynched?

Yes, although there's an even more likely possibility.

Is there a reason that you're not coming right out and saying what you're getting at?

[Xylthixlm]

Is there a reason that you're not coming right out and saying what you're getting at?

Yes. I think we'll get more information if I let people speculate for a bit. I'm also curious if anyone else will see what I see, or if I'm just chasing shadows.

[Xylthixlm]

We have a dead scum to analyze. Unfortunately it's DGB.

Day 1: DGB is all in on the Empking lynch. No info there.

Day 2: DGB goes after BlakAdder and stay there. Minor swipe at Context. Seems to know something about malthusis's daykill.

High probability of scum in this list of non-commital, chicken players:

veerus, malthusis, ZazieR, DragonsofSummer, pacman281292, ShadowGirl, The Central Scrutinizer, XSilentSinX, populartajo, Stef, Cephrir

mathusis must be allowed to speak out before we hammer Tar.

malthusis should put his boots on and not waste time.

Day 3: DGB accuses populartajo of being cultist/cult recruiter. Possibly suspects that populartajo tried to recruit her and failed? Seems happy to be investigated but scared to be killed. Believes Kairyuu. Sucks up to me. Switches to not believing Kairyuu. Throws suspicion on StrangerCoug for defending Kairyuu.

I'm going with what Dreams of Reality was in the past...

I very much doubt that Tar would make out lives so easy as to repeat everything from the past, roles and alignments.

That was a jesteriffic end of day.

???????

You taken your pills today?

As a matter of fact, no... they gave me Kool-Aid.

I'm probably wrong, but I can't help but think that Kairyuu is another Jester, and StrangerCoug is going to lose and die as as his Jester twin.

It's the most likely explanation for yesterday's events that my feeble mind can muster.

[Seraphim]

I do not like the idea of lynching a rule. If you want to get the rest of the rules, from past MS games, killing the Chairman Mao role is usually the answer to that problem. Lynching a rule seems to be more of a cult win condition than something the town should actually be doing. I don't like it.

Vote: Tajo(Pesco)

FoS: Pesco47

[Cephrir]

Lynching a rule probably won't work, so why do it?

[Tarhalindur]

"YOU... CURSE YOU, ZELDA... CURSE YOU, SAGES... CURSE YOU, LINK! Someday when this seal is broken, that is when I will exterminate your descendants. As long as the Triforce of Power is in my hand..."

Qwints's V/LA is noted. Seraphim narrowly avoids a prod. More prods may be coming soon. - Tar

The Thirty-Fifth Vote Count (aka the "Groundhog Day" Vote Count)

2) Kinetic/Context (0) - Xylthixlm
5) malthusis (1)
8) hasdgfas (rep. DragonsofSummer) (0)
10) TehVariable (0)
11) hp [leaves] (rep. The Internet who rep. pacman281292) (0)
12) qwints (0)
16) ShadowGirl (0)
18) Seraphim (rep. XSilentSinX) (0)
20) populartajo (0) - hasdgfas, Seraphim
21) Pesco47 (2)
22) Stef (0)
23) Cephrir (0) - hp [leaves]
24) Xylthixlm (1) - hasdgfas
25) StrangerCoug (1)
26) Electra (0)
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (0)
Tarhalindur (1) - Kinetic
Rule 0 (2) - StrangerCoug, TehVariable

Not Voting (11): malthusis, qwints, ShadowGirl, populartajo, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir, Electra, Machiavellian-Mafia

Votes required to lynch:

????

FoS Count:

2) Kinetic/Context (1) - TehVariable
5) malthusis (0)
8) hasdgfas (rep. DragonsofSummer) (0)
10) TehVariable (0)
11) hp [leaves] (rep. The Internet who rep. pacman281292) (0)
12) qwints (0)
16) ShadowGirl (0)
18) Seraphim (rep. XSilentSinX) (0)
20) populartajo (0)
21) Pesco47 (1) - Seraphim
22) Stef (0)
23) Cephrir (0)
24) Xylthixlm (0)
25) StrangerCoug (0)
26) Electra (0)
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (0)

Not FoS'ing (14): Kinetic, malthusis, hasdgfas, hp [leaves], qwints, ShadowGirl, populartajo, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir, Xylthixlm, StrangerCoug, Electra, Machiavellian-Mafia

Current Deadline:

????

End Point of Order!

[Kinetic]

unvote;vote:hasdgfas

[hp [leaves]]

Lynching rule 0 will not get us anywhere as it seems to be unlynchable as its votes don't wrap. I feel like I need to do test another thing.

Unvote. Vote MM

[populartajo]

unvote;vote:hasdgfas

[Tarhalindur]

"Come on! Of

course

I dare mock you."

Seraphim is V/LA; this has now been noted.

Prods will be handed out tomorrow to players who aren't posting.

Finally, a request: Choose Carefully Mafia (which I am backup/acting modding) is in need of two replacements (for Battle Mage and Ribwich). Anyone interested in being a replacement for that game should PM either myself or bird1111. - Tar

The Thirty-Sixth Vote Count (aka the "Your Lack of Posting Disturbs Me" Vote Count)

2) Kinetic/Context (1) - Xylthixlm
5) malthusis (1)
8) hasdgfas (rep. DragonsofSummer) (0) - Kinetic, populartajo
10) TehVariable (2)
11) hp [leaves] (rep. The Internet who rep. pacman281292) (0)
12) qwints (0)
16) ShadowGirl (0)
18) Seraphim (rep. XSilentSinX) (0)
20) populartajo (0) - hasdgfas, Seraphim
21) Pesco47 (2)
22) Stef (0)
23) Cephrir (0)
24) Xylthixlm (0) - hasdgfas
25) StrangerCoug (1)
26) Electra (0)
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (0) - hp [leaves]
Rule 0 (2) - StrangerCoug, TehVariable

Not Voting (10): malthusis, qwints, ShadowGirl, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir, Electra, Machiavellian-Mafia

Votes required to lynch:

????

FoS Count:

2) Kinetic/Context (1) - TehVariable
5) malthusis (0)
8) hasdgfas (rep. DragonsofSummer) (0)
10) TehVariable (0)
11) hp [leaves] (rep. The Internet who rep. pacman281292) (0)
12) qwints (0)
16) ShadowGirl (0)
18) Seraphim (rep. XSilentSinX) (0)
20) populartajo (0)
21) Pesco47 (1) - Seraphim
22) Stef (0)
23) Cephrir (0)
24) Xylthixlm (0)
25) StrangerCoug (0)
26) Electra (0)
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (0)

Not FoS'ing (14): Kinetic, malthusis, hasdgfas, hp [leaves], qwints, ShadowGirl, populartajo, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir, Xylthixlm, StrangerCoug, Electra, Machiavellian-Mafia

Current Deadline:

????

End Point of Order!

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

@Xyl: Are you saying your analysis of DGB is inconclusive?

@Kinetic: Why are you still silent on elaborating your peculiar statement?

I'm opposed to lynching rule 0 as well.

Unvote, vote: hasdgfas

(TehVariable)

[ShadowGirl]

I think the whole point of lynching rule zero is so we can see all the rules - which is an alright idea, but perhaps not this late in the game.

[Seraphim]

It won't work. That's the problem. Lynching Chairman Mao is what shows us the rules.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Rule 0

Let's find Chairman Mao.

[TehVariable]

Hi. People voting me. Did you miss the part where I'm ESSENTIALLY CONFIRMED? I can't be two alignments unless I was cult recruited. And if I was cult recruited, shouldn't you be looking for the leader? I doubt I'm running the Cult of Tweedle Dum here. Please recall past events when you make future votes.

FoS: populartajo

Unvote, Vote MM

And you all just let two people vote without reasoning? What the hell is wrong with you all?

Kinetic, tajo, and possibly MM are all cult. It's transparently obvious.

Unvote: Rule 0

Let's find Chairman Mao.

Why? Are you just ignoring what just happened here?

It won't work. That's the problem. Lynching Chairman Mao is what shows us the rules.

It was worth a shot, and hadn't been done before.

I think the whole point of lynching rule zero is so we can see all the rules - which is an alright idea, but perhaps not this late in the game.

It's not a valid target or we'd see wrapping.

@Kinetic: Why are you still silent on elaborating your peculiar statement?

I'm opposed to lynching rule 0 as well. Unvote, vote: hasdgfas (TehVariable)

Why are you voting me and ignoring the two magically unexplained votes that appeared on me as well? I wish I had an FoS for you as well.

Lynching a rule probably won't work, so why do it?

What do you know that makes it probably not work? This is MS. Try everything. Most people would say "lynching the mod probably won't work". Well...whoops! It was worth a shot.

If cult in this game looks like the cult of pacifism in one of Tar's previous games, then cultists got an alternative second win condition, and can win by fulfilling either. Anyone think they know what the second win condition is?

Tar is not a one trick pony. I doubt he'd use the same role twice.

Why is anyone voting to lynch a rule? How does anyone think this is a good idea?

[TehVariable]

EBWOP: didn't finish that last thought.

Why is anyone voting to lynch a rule? How does anyone think this is a good idea?

as I said before, it was worth a shot.