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[Titus]

@Kay, A hood doesn't mean more information. Why do you think so?

[KayJayQueue]

@Kay, A hood doesn't mean more information. Why do you think so?

I mean more information about how those people are acting. I just assumed you all had better reads on each other than the rest of us have on you, only because you have another thread to observe behavior. If that’s not actually true, then don’t mind me. I just sort of made that assumption on my own.

[Snow2697]

Day 1, Titus and snow were voting Dave-slot at certain points (moreso than Thom/Gypyx) and today they aren’t. I’m wondering if they changed their mind or if they’re also just waiting.

I don't like Dave, but I also don't like self-proclaimed Thomith-Gypyx townblock.

[biancospino]

2.05 (unchanged)

Votecount 2.05

Ranger (E-2): Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Thomith, PenguinPower, Gypyx
Naerys (1): Little Will o' Wisp
Random Nurse (1): Naerys
Gypyx (1): Ranger

Not Voting (5): Oblivion, Snow2697, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Titus

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-06 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Hu Tao]

Only 2 more votes!!

[Naerys]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Ranger]

it's especially cause i really don't get how you could legitimately end up scumreading me / thom and townreading snow / titus

It was off of the neighborhood vibes. Immediately, it felt like you were forcing it in the neighborhood. You were efforting there beyond what felt natural. It looked like you were focusing on appearing town, rather than being town. Similarly, the idea of 2 scum with one traitor felt TMI, and originated from you/Thomith. You and Thomith have been, as a pair, coordinating in the neighborhood and browbeating the more timid members into going along with your narrative.

All in all, it has felt like you were basically openly communicating with a scumbuddy within, having identified each other, and are using that to control the game and steer it in the direction you desire.

In contrast, Snow comes off as newbtown and Titus is acting exactly as I feel a town-her would in a neighborhood. I've extensive experience with Titus as town and can confidently say her content there is +town.

It's certainly possible she

could

be scum, just as it's possible I could be wrong about my read of you/Thomith. However, that is what I saw. I can't directly quote the neighborhood here obviously, yet I can quote the posts in the neighborhood and paraphrase what posts led me to this conclusion here.

I should state this will likely have to wait until Monday or more realistically, Tuesday; though I've recovered physically, I do celebrate Easter Sunday with family, then have Transgender Day of Visibility to celebrate with chosen family after.

I'll squeeze it in sooner if I can, yet if you don't see me follow through until then, that's why.

[Ranger]

As someone who's frequently AFK due to work and IRL chaos I can sympathize with Ranger being sick and needing time. Obviously Ranger could still be Scum. Are we that close to deadline that Ranger can't be given some breathing room to feel better after this nausea event?

Yesterday, we had seven days.

I sadly will waste around three for personal affairs, between recovering, Easter, and then a booked day Monday. That still leaves four days, where I'll be explaining my reads, catching up, and contributing, giving plenty of time to find any elimination you want.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Good luck with that one

[Ranger]

This is not a question of if we need time, i just hope you realize that the less time we give scum!Ranger to craft a more coherent story the more likely it is we catch her

The more time you give to a town-Ranger the more dangerous she becomes as well.

Funny how that works.

[Ranger]

Ranger I'm sorry you had to replace into a scum slot

I'm so sorry to disappoint you; you're in for a shock.

[Ranger]

In what world am I the top read?

In the world where Thomith and Gypyx are scum in the neighborhood, by default you would be town, especially given your opposition to them.

Even separately of that, your opposition to them is +town regardless of your alignment. You are demonstrably frustrated at being outvoted and outgunned. Your way may not be the only way, but when you don't get it, it affects you. A scum-Titus is also more likely to get her way. That you didn't speaks towards you being town. If you were scum I would expect your voice to carry more weight in there, yet your voice there is a minority. It speaks towards you not having the normal sway signature to a scum-Titus hood.

Additionally, nobody's strongly town. You're the most town

from what I've read

, yet my reads are still fluid and in the process of forming, as I've many more pages to read.

You'd be the first to point out the signs I'm pointing to aren't

strongly

indicators of a town-Titus, and you're right; you're not locked as town. You're temporarily my top townread, yet to be seen where you'll land overall. I have you as +town, by an uncertain margin, because though not locked as town, I think the signs are still

promising

for town.

[Ranger]

(It is asking how both these players came to view it as town, to be clear).

I admit my read on you was colored by having read the neighborhood, having seen their predesigned push on Snow, and your opposition to it in a way I felt strongly indicated you're not partnered with Thomith or Gypyx. You demonstrated a lack of knowledge of the neighborhood, by correctly naming just about every neighborhood member as stinking from their push.

Unless the scumteam has no members within the neighborhood or failed to report the neighborhood to the scum PT, then your lack of knowledge suggests you are unaligned with the scumteam.

[Ranger]

I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

Personally, I see the value in working together with those you vibe with--temporarily. All too often, paranoia consumes us and we break the alliance before it ought to have been broken; far too many times, we break it in the wrong way and reassert townreads on the person who was the one that needed to be cut.

Reads are best as fluid. So too should memberships of a towncore be. If a townblock is formed, it's okay to have the block maintained

loosely

throughout the game, while still acknowledging members from it are not as worthy as they were and others are more worthy than they once were. Working together is a valuable skill, compromising a valuable skill, seeing other perspectives a valuable skill, and a good towncore is made up of those who can do this while still acknowledging their members may contain skilled scum, yet are not guaranteed to.

[Ranger]

your read list barely changes. you not got tunneled on gypyx?

Being tunneled is an accusation often levied against me despite my very philosophy embodying the opposite. Generally, I hold a skeptical eye towards those doing so, as their callout usually carries an agenda; "X is tunneled" is oft synonymous with "X's reads are not to be trusted", and thus 'tunneled' is a charged term inherently carrying a negative connotation that detracts from the value of my contributions.

In this case, I've good reasons from the neighborhood to hold suspicion of Gypyx and Thomith, yet nothing is set in stone. I've already experienced doubts after engaging with Gypyx, as Gypyx's responses to me felt plausibly town. My reads are fluid and subject to change at a moment's notice. Notably, I've gained greater suspicion of you from this comment.

[Ranger]

Gypyx has been so obviously been trying to solve the game here and in the hood, that I doubt I'm wrong on this, but I see your point.

I don't see how Gypyx has been so obviously trying to solve the game. If she thought that the hood had 2 scums and she was town with you, this left 2 scums between me-Titus-Dave. And around 2 scums elsewhere. Then she should have focused on the hood and hunted for scums there. NAS lime and a hammer there makes zero sense in this set up.

Regardless of Gypyx's alignment, I vibe with this as good analysis. I haven't read the events in question to form an opinion on its validity, but I believe Snow thinks it valid, in a way I consider +town.

[Ranger]

oh also another reason i think Snow / Titus / Ranger are scum together

Generally, my philosophy on an outted neighborhood is, why would I say anything in the neighborhood which could be said inthread? Neighborhoods are seen by a minority, the gamethread is seen by all. There's exceptions to be made, off of nonpublic information within when applicable, yet by and large if something can be posted to the neighborhood, it can be posted to the gamethread and I prefer to use the place where everyone will see it.

I haven't read the neighborhood since my last post replying to you; I'll attend to it as I can, yet it will always be a secondary priority now that I know it's outted. An undisclosed neighborhood's my top priority; an outted neighborhood's my lowest.

[Ranger]

i would love to get more input from people outside of the hood

Personally I'd prefer to get more input from the neighborhood member Ranger; she's slacking imo.

[Ranger]

i would love to get more input from people outside of the hood

Personally I'd prefer to get more input from the neighborhood member Ranger; she's slacking imo.

She's only read 5 pages of the game, that's unacceptable. She needs to be held accountable for having not gotten caught up.

[Ranger]

I haven't changed my mind but I am wanting to give Ranger a chance if wrong.

Perhaps taking me off of L-2 and pursuing another avenue while I'm catching up would be conductive to information?

[Ranger]

I don't like Dave

It's a shame I replaced into the davesaz slot rather than a different slot, as were I any other slot I'd point to literally any past davesaz game to demonstrate he's consistently limbait; he always looks sus to everyone and nearly every game ends up close to eliminated at minimum, often appearing in the limlist. He's statistically speaking one of the most wagoned players on mafiascum.

If you're interested in me verifying this claim, I easily can as I mean it; he gets wagoned

nearly every single game

, because his playstyle is near-universally seen as sus.

However, as I am sadly the holder of the slot, instead, I can simply point you to

my

play, as evaluating off of my contributions is certainly easier for most. I'm a skilled enough scum player to warrant paranoia, and my actions can be seen as suspect. Yet, I am far more active and provide material easier to get a sense of with time.

That's part of why I saw the immediate call to lim me on replace-in as suspect; Ranger giving more content should be valuable

regardless

of my alignment. Were I scum, I'd be giving more material to identify my scumbuddies; because I'm town, I've a greater chance of demonstrating it and providing reads which can provide contributions into every day phase following made all the more valuable when I'm revealed town.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Good luck with that one

Good luck with the nightmare to come if you get those 'two more votes' you're seeking.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx, Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Thomith}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{geraintm}

Loosely, from the new content; reminder I still need to read pages 6 - current.

[Ranger]

oops, forgot to move Snow up.

{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697}
{Hu Tao}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx, Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Thomith}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{geraintm}

This feels more correct.

Second reminder; these reads aren't solidified. Any read can change at any moment, town or scum.

VOTE: geraintm

For now should pursue voting the bottom of the list regardless of who it is though.

[Alianna]

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