Pathetric wrote:
I don't like your response to Erratus Apathos voting you, quoting a few posts made by him in the random stage seems kind of cheap and just designed to make him look bad. I still fail to see why someone who's been pretty inactive apparently isn't allowed to critisise the contributions of an active player, in fact I can't really think how else they'd get into the game. Part of me still thinks there must be some basic misunderstanding on my part of the position you and Glork are putting forward here, because it seems ridiculous to me.
Basically, the argument EA made against me wasn't that my actions hurt the town; it was that he thought my actions weren't that helpful in finding scum (basically, that my posts had a low expected value to the town).
Now, that would be a reasonable argument if we were talking about a long period of time; if I spent most of day 1 doing posts that had a low expected value to the town instead of doing "real" scumhunting; then, one could make a valid argument that I wasn't being as pro-town as a townie should be, or something like that. However, if I'm doing something with a low expected value, while he (and most of the town; I wasn't really trying to single him out there) had only posts that basically had zero value, I would think it would invalidate that attack.
Or, to put it another way, "Yos is doing X instead of scumhunting" isn't a valid attack if no one else is really scumhunting yet either.
Already commented on your Xtoxm-vote. Not sure what else to say; if Xtoxm is town (which I personally give about an average chance, my other head gives a high chance), he's an easy target for scum, because he's played pretty sloppily, claimed too early, self voted, asked to be lynched, all kind of stuff that often gets you negative attention whether it's scummy or not.
I hate this kind of argument, personally. It's not just "stuff that gets you negitive attention". it's stuff that SHOULD get you negitive attention, because it's anti-town behavior.
Besides which, when he self voted, I actually kind of defended him, pointing out that self voting wasn't actually a reliable scumtell (even though it should be, but that's a different argument). I only voted him when he started acting really scummy.
You joined the wagon on him for reasons I find unconvincing.
Ok, let me explain again why I think he's scum.
First, he basically did nothing for the first 4 pages, not reacting to anything until he felt himself in danger.
I think he first felt himself to possibly be in danger here:
Assmaster wrote:Tuberkulos wrote:Now that was a waste of four pages.
You should put your vote on Xtoxm. -2 to lynch always kicks the game up a notch.
Glork wrote:Dibs on the hammah.
His response was the self vote.
Xtoxm wrote:Allow me
Unvote Vote Xtoxm
Could be a townie who was just playing around, but considering his later statement that
Xtoxm wrote:I wouldn't be adversed to hammering someone on page 4.
I don't really think he was. I think he was intentioanlly trying to deter people from voting him using a self vote, and that is scummy.
Glork responds to this by voting him, and putting him at -1 (which is the correct response to that kind of gambit, IMHO.)
Xtoxm then responds with an OMGUS vote on Glork, and he also, pointlessly, claims vanillia townie. He does this in an oddly subtle and nonchalant way (so subtle I didn't even notice it at first); if a real vanillia townie felt forced to claim, I'd expect him to actually claim in a clear way. Well, here, look at the post again.
Xtoxm wrote:I'm just mucking about, it's the random phase.
I think GLork's vote was pretty and opportunistic, I think he was hoping someone would hammer, with the fallback of "I was asking for it".
Unvote Vote Glork
VT btw.
This post bothers me in several different ways. If Xtoxm really thought he was in danger of being hammered here, why didn't he unvote before this post? At least if, as he later claimed:
Xtoxm wrote:
Yeh, I also left my vote on for several hours just to prove you wrong on that front. I was here when you voted me. No one hammered though. I unvoted not to protect myself but because discussion had moved away from that and i'd found a good place to put my vote.
Why wouldn't he unvote himself during those "Several hours", if he really thought there was a risk someone would hammer? And if he knew there wasn't, why did he think Glork didn't know that? Did he think Glork was a moron or something?
And, like I said, the whole "VT btw" thing seems unbelievably non-chalant. If you think you are in danger of being lynched and feel you need to claim to try and prevent that, or to give the town needed information, or something, why would you do it like this? It just dosn't feel honest, feels more like he's trying to play a role of a cool, relaxed townie, if you know what I mean.
Finally, his response to me expressing dislike about his vanillia claim and me expressing a willingness to vote for me was, again, OMGUS, just like his response to Glork was. In what I can only assume is a delibrate misrepresentation of my post (I have to assume that, since he has steadfastedly refused to explain himself, even on threat of being lynched), he acted like my expression of frustration at his anti-town actions was somehow evidecne that I "knew he was town", or something. He then made this misleading statement:
Xtoxm wrote:
The people i'm calling scummy are all voting me...
Even though the two people he's talking about, me and Glork, are both people he ONLY suspected AFTER they had attacked him.
Finally, he's basically done nothing to even try to help the town. None of his posts look like an honest attempt to find scum to me. He refuses to answer questions (with a useless response of "Fine, lynch me if you want, I'm town"), he acts in an anti-town way on several occasions, and he's just generally not being helpful.
Why is it I have to explain all of this, Patrick? What in his posts made you think he has only an "average chance" of being scum?
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
