Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ideal Koishi
Realistic probably Ichirin

I can maybe rally for you but idk how much time we have and I'm busy tonight so not sure if that'a realistic

[Eternity Larva]

Reisen can you remind me why you’re scumreading Ichirin again?

Are you at all compelled by my reasons for townreading hir?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Ideal Koishi
Realistic probably Ichirin

Sorry if you talked about it but what happened to your Kagerou-Chan scumread?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Wow it deleted my whole post.

But ye, I think koishi living a night benefits town regardless of their alignment or the truth of their claim. As far as target limiting etc etc.

Really all I got on keeping them alive, otherwise I’d be on board.

No? Why do you think that? If their claim is a lie, or they're scum, why is it beneficial

It protects say like, clown either way.

So basically it’s like this. Their claim only gets a pass for a day. At night scum shoots at a universal tr and that’s probably clown in every world. Even without their claim if they’re scum clown dies anyway.

Buuut clown is taken off the table with Koishis claim, since clowns death is roughly equivalent to koishis.

I could see a world where scum!Koishi pivots and just offs clown anyway. But it’s only more or less likely if you know what scum abilities they have in their pocket.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Reisen can you remind me why you’re scumreading Ichirin again?

Are you at all compelled by my reasons for townreading hir?

I know you pointed me to some reasonings, I’ll read them. I don’t think it will move the needle higher than kagerou but I’ll try and keep an open mind about it.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

i think Ichirin's responses to pressure have been townie overall as i've explained previously

i think Ichirin as scum trying to save themselves would not choose the claimed poisoner role to do so, whether it's hir actual role or not. it's a very risk claim to make if hir goal is survivability and if anything would only hurt hir cause in saving hirself

i don't think Ichirin unvotes Kagerou at any point as scum (i guess unless she's scum with Kagerou?), sie has already justified hirself enough to park there for the remainder of the day but unvoting her really killed the momentum of the Kagerou wagon and hir only reasonable chance at surviving today

basically, all of Ichirin's actions more recently just do not align with scum trying to save themselves. don't really expect to change many minds at this point but i don't think sie flips scum here and Kagerou is an infinitely better bet

Or do you mean this post specifically?

What does scum!ichirin claim then? In their position.

I’ll go back and look at the Ichirin unvote but if it’s on the backend of the 1v1 or after Koishi started gaining traction as an alternative it loses some steam.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ideal Koishi
Realistic probably Ichirin

Sorry if you talked about it but what happened to your Kagerou-Chan scumread?

Uh like 40 pages ago or whatever I decided they weren't really responding to the pressure in a scummy way

[Sanae Kochiya]

Wow it deleted my whole post.

But ye, I think koishi living a night benefits town regardless of their alignment or the truth of their claim. As far as target limiting etc etc.

Really all I got on keeping them alive, otherwise I’d be on board.

No? Why do you think that? If their claim is a lie, or they're scum, why is it beneficial

It protects say like, clown either way.

So basically it’s like this. Their claim only gets a pass for a day. At night scum shoots at a universal tr and that’s probably clown in every world. Even without their claim if they’re scum clown dies anyway.

Buuut clown is taken off the table with Koishis claim, since clowns death is roughly equivalent to koishis.

I could see a world where scum!Koishi pivots and just offs clown anyway. But it’s only more or less likely if you know what scum abilities they have in their pocket.

So you're saying by keeping Koishi alive we're keeping said universal townread alive for a night

Doesn't he just claim tomorrow he decided not to target Clown, oops they died?

I'm not convinced that we should keep Koishi alive for this, especially like you're saying they might just kill the universal townread anyways

[Eternity Larva]

i’d just expect scum Ichirin to claim basically ANYTHING more survivable than a poisoner that has practically no town utility, lol

idk, my heart really isn’t even in it to defend Ichirin anymore when sie’s basically gone MIA ever since unvoting Kagerou and shaded the people defending her with no visible effort to get to the bottom of that?

i’m not in the mood to keep lobbying for her safety when sie doesn’t even seem to care herself

[Eternity Larva]

hirself*, sorry about that

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah that's kind of where I'm at - I really, really think scum-Ichirin comes up with something better than that. I just don't think sie's group scum here. I can see 3p for what it's worth

But I'm also getting a little tired and demotivated making these same arguments for the last 5 irl days basically, which I think is exactly what scum want, which makes me think we're just going to end on Ichirin, which I find demotivating, etc

[Sanae Kochiya]

I think the way Koishi egged on the Ichirin/Kagerou thing was so, so, so gross, and makes me very doubtful that Ichirin is flipping scum, and I don't even think Koishi is trying to make this happen either (which is surprising given how strong he was purporting this read was earlier)

I think he's scum who knows just as much as I do that this is just inevitable so why should he put effort into making it actually happen when it will without him putting in obvious dirty work

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Can I get a list of peoples preferred lims to see if there's any viable flashwagons here?

[Eternity Larva]

the only flash wagon i’d be actively support is Koishi and i’m already voting there

[Yuuka Kazami]

*raises eyebrows*
Re: Sanae.
A better player would be able to articulate why what they’re saying feels off or rather,
Their word choice is kind of awkward. They seem to have written that koushi seems informed *like they are*

But maybe I’m misreading it.
Not sure how I feel about the demotivated thing, it’s kind of up and down for me. I think we’re vibing okay, the town I mean. Besides some blips.

I wanna talk more about this, but at work. Can’t really.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Can I get a list of peoples preferred lims to see if there's any viable flashwagons here?

Koishi or ichirin, I’m not really interested in entertaining anything else right now.

Still prefer ichi inexplicably.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Never mind, I reread what they wrote and they were referring that they were both on the inevitable train so why use up your credibility leading a wagon on town when you can just keep your powder clean while others don’t.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I guess maybe it comes off as projection at a strange angle.
But I’m not sure it’s actually a strange one, just unique.

Eh.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I think I’m just enjoying this game even though I should feel pretty bad all things considered.
I guess it’s because for the most part everybody’s playing and thinking. Or enough people that I’m not actively frustrated.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Never mind, I reread what they wrote and they were referring that they were both on the inevitable train so why use up your credibility leading a wagon on town when you can just keep your powder clean while others don’t.

I'm not sure what you were questioning but thos is indeed what I was trying to say

[Koishi Komeiji]

I think I’m just enjoying this game even though I should feel pretty bad all things considered.

I wish I could say I felt the same, Yuuka.

I really do.

Sadly, I woke up to the 26th rerun of "Let's wagon Koishi lol"

[Koishi Komeiji]

I cannot even begin to describe the sheer annoyance I feel at people thinking that *THIS* play is something I'd as scum.

It's insulting and pisses me off.

[Koishi Komeiji]

It's extra insulting that people have decided to ignore basic civility and imply that I am faking IRL issues for game influence.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

It was the wording, I had the same “oh shhhiii” moment…till I read the sentence again.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

It's extra insulting that people have decided to ignore basic civility and imply that I am faking IRL issues for game influence.

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