Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[Alianna]

2.20

Votecount 2.20

Titus (3): Ranger, Enchant, Black
Black (2): Doctor Drew, Titus
light_ganski (2): Hu Tao, Political Clout
Ranger (2): light_ganski, JacksonVirgo
Political Clout (1): usesPython
Doctor Drew (1): ketchup777

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-14 01:04:13).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[ketchup777]

Well, with all due respect. I think your mindset on that is just wrong. Someone wagoned, claimed a strong role that you are the role of. There is not much thoughts to have, I only backed out because it felt wrong in my gut cuz of my almost lock-town view on him. Nobody else had that

i had the benefit of knowing lap was actually a disloyal cop when i read through the claim (because i read the last message of the thread before the previous 100) but while i was surprised for a second then it made me laugh and I thought it added up. so to me a natural reaction would be that the cop claim, in this type of questionable game, could well be true. even if its not, there was
no
rush
to
eliminate
him

we were like 3 days from ElO and Day 1 had barely started.
rushing it is not helpful
drew should know that
i prefer to play drew for being scum than being narrow-minded

Is it just me or has Ketchup reeked of TMI for awhile? I mean, somehow he was was sooooo smart that he figured out Lap was actually a disloyal cop before he claimed it, and he has the amazing forward thinking to just assume that if the Cop(me) walks into the thread and see the person who is on the chopping black(Lap) claim the almost identical role......that the Cop(me) should instead think 'well this makes perfect sense, clearly Lap is town here' instead of 'oh hey look, clearly Lap is fake claiming to save his ass, let's dispose of the scum butt'.

I will study up on my game so that next time someone who is about to limmed who has almost the identical role as me, and oh by the way the other flipped Cop(Koba) was trying to get me to hammer as well.....I will just assume that no scum ever fake claims and just let everyone live.

-snip-

lol

when did I say I figured out Lap was a disloyal cop before he claimed it??!!?!????

[ketchup777]

Jackson, can you and ketchup work together?

This is a strange request. Like do you think Jackson is the ketchup whisperer? Do you think he can convince ketchup to scumread me and townread you? I don't get it

Jackson is the what now?

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler:

Lap is clear town to me

The claim was cursed so I wanted to dip my toes in but no, they’re just town

Can you explain? More so the cursed claim thing

It’s just a rough claim

Gave me enough pause that I wanted to throw my heart over the edge to see how it felt

Ok....

But what sort of claim would make you consider it as a fake claim?

It’s just a rough claim

Gave me enough pause that I wanted to throw my heart over the edge to see how it felt

Ok....

But what sort of claim would make you consider it as a fake claim?

It felt like it was possibly a desperation claim, that had an easy way out if they give a wrong result.

Isn't that the sort of claim scum would make??

@Drew, can you explain your mindset with these posts? I wrote up my own analysis and felt it better to hear it from you specifically

[ketchup777]

You argue that the rushing was the reason is also not really accurate. Remember that normal that we lost because of me rushing into conclusions? I am hyperaware of me doing that and even so that didn't even cross my mind. I wanted them goneso.

I think I just have a different outlook to you. To me, a hammer should only be applied with great care or for good reason. in a normal game, I would have sympathy for Drew hammering a cop claim as a cop. In this setup, I do not

what a weird narrative.

be wary of the shrike

[ketchup777]

You town-read me. I had that feeling. Considering you trust me, you should believe that I am not some anomaly. Others would have that same reaction, Drew and Koba both did the same thing. I'm Town, Koba's town. What makes Drew scum for that? It doesn't. Stop this, please

You weren’t the hammer. Koba was probably high. Drew was not high and he was a knowing hammer. this combo makes me suspect him more, also his backing up of his Laphammering on day 2 has been lacking and poor

Really?

You are tossing away Koba's wanting me to hammer as they were 'probably high'?

That's your case on me?

This is why I am scum??

Titus, again....spit your fire case on me as well please

I’m like 99% sure Koba was high

[ketchup777]

You argue that the rushing was the reason is also not really accurate. Remember that normal that we lost because of me rushing into conclusions? I am hyperaware of me doing that and even so that didn't even cross my mind. I wanted them goneso.

I think I just have a different outlook to you. To me, a hammer should only be applied with great care or for good reason. in a normal game, I would have sympathy for Drew hammering a cop claim as a cop. In this setup, I do not

You do have a different outlook than me, that doesn't forgive throwing your own thoughts down another persons throat and calling them scum for not fitting with it well

When Drew proves his innocence I’ll be more than happy to take my vote off

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ketchup

[ketchup777]

@Doctor Drew, can you explain why you investigated Python?

Hey Drew, please answer this

@Drew@Drew@Drew@Drew stop stalling

[Titus]

Drew is just... unbelievably town. I don't get any scum-read on him, I just cannot understand how anybody cannot see it

I feel the opposite. Please explain.

How about you explain why not?

Gave me literal chills

That's the point. Drew's in my PoE. No efforts that match his town game. Passive. Rule of 3 frequently.

[ketchup777]

If I was within range of it when I saw it, I would have hammered. The hammer is semantics at this point.

So you didn’t know you were going to move your vote to Ganski when you voted Lap?

No, I voted them instinctively and then my read pulled me back.

okok i couldn’t really tell tbh

[Titus]

If I was within range of it when I saw it, I would have hammered. The hammer is semantics at this point.

I think we all would have. Drew's vote though is too passive though.
"when I saw it" is referring to the claim

[Doctor Drew]

Well, with all due respect. I think your mindset on that is just wrong. Someone wagoned, claimed a strong role that you are the role of. There is not much thoughts to have, I only backed out because it felt wrong in my gut cuz of my almost lock-town view on him. Nobody else had that

i had the benefit of knowing lap was actually a disloyal cop when i read through the claim (because i read the last message of the thread before the previous 100) but while i was surprised for a second then it made me laugh and I thought it added up. so to me a natural reaction would be that the cop claim, in this type of questionable game, could well be true. even if its not, there was
no
rush
to
eliminate
him

we were like 3 days from ElO and Day 1 had barely started.
rushing it is not helpful
drew should know that
i prefer to play drew for being scum than being narrow-minded

Is it just me or has Ketchup reeked of TMI for awhile? I mean, somehow he was was sooooo smart that he figured out Lap was actually a disloyal cop before he claimed it, and he has the amazing forward thinking to just assume that if the Cop(me) walks into the thread and see the person who is on the chopping black(Lap) claim the almost identical role......that the Cop(me) should instead think 'well this makes perfect sense, clearly Lap is town here' instead of 'oh hey look, clearly Lap is fake claiming to save his ass, let's dispose of the scum butt'.

I will study up on my game so that next time someone who is about to limmed who has almost the identical role as me, and oh by the way the other flipped Cop(Koba) was trying to get me to hammer as well.....I will just assume that no scum ever fake claims and just let everyone live.

-snip-

lol

when did I say I figured out Lap was a disloyal cop before he claimed it??!!?!????

I misread the first part, but please address everything else about the post, and what I just quoted you in

Pre Edit: That is such a lazy read on me Titus. You know full well people confuse my town and scum games all the time.....how can I try to replicate one or the other?

[JacksonVirgo]

I was like "hang on, those aren't my words"

[JacksonVirgo]

To Titus's post obviously lol

[Titus]

You town-read me. I had that feeling. Considering you trust me, you should believe that I am not some anomaly. Others would have that same reaction, Drew and Koba both did the same thing. I'm Town, Koba's town. What makes Drew scum for that? It doesn't. Stop this, please

You weren’t the hammer. Koba was probably high. Drew was not high and he was a knowing hammer. this combo makes me suspect him more, also his backing up of his Laphammering on day 2 has been lacking and poor

Really?

You are tossing away Koba's wanting me to hammer as they were 'probably high'?

That's your case on me?

This is why I am scum??

Titus, again....spit your fire case on me as well please

Why are you fine with Ranger's vapid buzzwords but begging for an angle to attack here?

[JacksonVirgo]

If I was within range of it when I saw it, I would have hammered. The hammer is semantics at this point.

So you didn’t know you were going to move your vote to Ganski when you voted Lap?

No, I voted them instinctively and then my read pulled me back.

okok i couldn’t really tell tbh

I've been trying to tell you for a long long time

[Titus]

I can't articulate better Drew. I'm ill.

[Doctor Drew]

@Doctor Drew, can you explain why you investigated Python?

Hey Drew, please answer this

@Drew@Drew@Drew@Drew stop stalling

Only if you stop stalling as well respond to all parts of what I asked you as well

Python is one of the few who can correctly read me consistently, and also is solid as scum

So I wanted to know if he were to call me town, it isn't a pocket attempt

Pre Edit: Fell better Titus

I feel less concerned that Ranger is scum

[JacksonVirgo]

Waiting on ketchup to do a particular thing, then I'm gonna say a particular thing and then we're all gonna laugh and laugh and have fun

[ketchup777]

Well, with all due respect. I think your mindset on that is just wrong. Someone wagoned, claimed a strong role that you are the role of. There is not much thoughts to have, I only backed out because it felt wrong in my gut cuz of my almost lock-town view on him. Nobody else had that

i had the benefit of knowing lap was actually a disloyal cop when i read through the claim (because i read the last message of the thread before the previous 100) but while i was surprised for a second then it made me laugh and I thought it added up. so to me a natural reaction would be that the cop claim, in this type of questionable game, could well be true. even if its not, there was
no
rush
to
eliminate
him

we were like 3 days from ElO and Day 1 had barely started.
rushing it is not helpful
drew should know that
i prefer to play drew for being scum than being narrow-minded

Is it just me or has Ketchup reeked of TMI for awhile?

I mean, somehow he was was sooooo smart that he figured out Lap was actually a disloyal cop before he claimed it

, and

he has the amazing forward thinking to just assume that if the Cop(me) walks into the thread and see the person who is on the chopping black(Lap) claim the almost identical role......that the Cop(me) should instead think 'well this makes perfect sense, clearly Lap is town here' instead of 'oh hey look, clearly Lap is fake claiming to save his ass, let's dispose of the scum butt'.

I will study up on my game so that next time someone who is about to limmed who has almost the identical role as me, and oh by the way the other flipped Cop(Koba) was trying to get me to hammer as well.....I will just assume that no scum ever fake claims and just let everyone live.

-snip-

lol

when did I say I figured out Lap was a disloyal cop before he claimed it??!!?!????

I misread the first part, but please address everything else about the post, and what I just quoted you in

Pre Edit: That is such a lazy read on me Titus. You know full well people confuse my town and scum games all the time.....how can I try to replicate one or the other?

not true

I never said anything like that either. Brilliant spinning of what I said though, smooth! It doesn’t make perfect sense. But it isn’t totally impossible. Jackson realised this, I think, even if he says it was also because he townread Lap. It doesn’t need to make perfect sense. It’s impossible it would make perfect sense. It only needs to be possible to give you pause and use some of the, idk, 7 and a half days to mull it over?? rather than hammer in 9 minutes????

I mean, it was funny, but also you’re just exaggerating to ridicule my points and dodge them

[ketchup777]

If I was within range of it when I saw it, I would have hammered. The hammer is semantics at this point.

So you didn’t know you were going to move your vote to Ganski when you voted Lap?

No, I voted them instinctively and then my read pulled me back.

okok i couldn’t really tell tbh

I've been trying to tell you for a long long time

a quick confirmation to hold you to something later in court can’t harm (:

[ketchup777]

@Doctor Drew, can you explain why you investigated Python?

Hey Drew, please answer this

@Drew@Drew@Drew@Drew stop stalling

Only if you stop stalling as well respond to all parts of what I asked you as well

Python is one of the few who can correctly read me consistently, and also is solid as scum

So I wanted to know if he were to call me town, it isn't a pocket attempt

Pre Edit: Fell better Titus

I feel less concerned that Ranger is scum

for what it’s worth I don’t like this reasoning. You should be copping people you can’t read I think, not people you already have meta on

[ketchup777]

Waiting on ketchup to do a particular thing, then I'm gonna say a particular thing and then we're all gonna laugh and laugh and have fun

that sounds ominous

[JacksonVirgo]

Ketchup. I don't want to keep wasting my breath.

Koba, Drew and myself all had the exact same underlying reaction to it, the outcome different because we're different people with different reads and assumptions. You're barking up the wrong tree. Titus just said (in a botched quote) that "everyone would have" which is almost exactly what I'm saying. Do you realise where your assumptions are? Do you notice this entire part of your read is based on a single assumption?