In post 1736, Ranger wrote:
Voting you out of those options rather than any of {PC, light_ganski, Titus} is an odd choice, as there’s no support for it and nobody usesPython believes town suspected you.
This is also wrong given that JVs shown willingness to vote for ketchup
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Ketchup+Jackson—> cop Hu Tao
Hu Tao+Black—> cop Jackson
Ranger+Titus—> cop Doctor Drew
usesPython+Doctor Drew —>cop Black
Political Clout—> cop Ketchup
If you're a modified cop check who you want to check
If you're a regular cop check according to the list and pretend you checked who you wanted to check unless you get a guilty/no result on the person you checked in the list
'pretend you checked who you wanted to check'; how will that work? do we only speak up if we didn’t get an inno and otherwise remain silent?
If we were Town Cop and would want to check Koba as a Disloyal Town Cop we'd Town Cop Black (according to the list) and say we have an inno on Koba
This lets the modifier cops post their results without immediately being obvious from deviating from the list while still letting them check who they want to check. If someone flips Town Cop later in the game it means they got an inno on the person in the list (since otherwise they'd have come out as Town Cop with a guilty/no result)
Ok, but say modifier cops hold back results until Day 4. if we haven’t got a maf out yet, we‘ll be at 4vs3 ELO (assuming 3 scum) and now we don’t have enough time to properly dissect a CC. won’t this just lead to chaos
You get CCs out the way the day before ELO, the same thing would be happening even without this strat
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In post 1541, Black wrote:
Reading over the EoD stuff again I think Drew's reaction to Lap's claim makes a lot of sense in a scum!Drew world. If scum has one or multiple godfathers then Lap's role probably scared the shit out of them to the point where they really wanted that fade to go through
This would require scum Drew to not only expect Disloyal Cop to be the designated cop type but also expect that everyone's some type of Cop (Since otherwise if not he'd be claiming the second ungated cop in a mini which would be an incredibly tough sell compared to just shooting Lap at night)
If Drew is a godfather wouldn't he see the disloyal cop as the biggest threat to him and try to convince others to push the wagon through like he did?
Pretend the setup is
What does scum Drew believably claim that lets him get away with immediately believing that Lap is fake claiming while also being a balanced questionable setup
Also there’s like no way that’s the setup what?? Why would scum have godfathers if we have a disloyal cop and nothing else, it’s just like having a cop on normal scum. And why would we have a setup with only one town PR that can easily be killed?? You’re not making any sense
VOTE: usesPython
so close to my mission of voting everyone, coming for you Hu Tao
The setup was an example one to illustrate why Drew claiming cop as scum believably only works in a full cop game, we literally had a mass claim where everyone claimed cop
If Drew is on an all-godfather team, he’s aware he can claim cop and the cop is effectively a VT. He can always get someone to suggest Godfathers being the rulebreak if need be
Ketchup+Jackson—> cop Hu Tao
Hu Tao+Black—> cop Jackson
Ranger+Titus—> cop Doctor Drew
usesPython+Doctor Drew —>cop Black
Political Clout—> cop Ketchup
If you're a modified cop check who you want to check
If you're a regular cop check according to the list and pretend you checked who you wanted to check unless you get a guilty/no result on the person you checked in the list
'pretend you checked who you wanted to check'; how will that work? do we only speak up if we didn’t get an inno and otherwise remain silent?
If we were Town Cop and would want to check Koba as a Disloyal Town Cop we'd Town Cop Black (according to the list) and say we have an inno on Koba
This lets the modifier cops post their results without immediately being obvious from deviating from the list while still letting them check who they want to check. If someone flips Town Cop later in the game it means they got an inno on the person in the list (since otherwise they'd have come out as Town Cop with a guilty/no result)
Ok, but say modifier cops hold back results until Day 4. if we haven’t got a maf out yet, we‘ll be at 4vs3 ELO (assuming 3 scum) and now we don’t have enough time to properly dissect a CC. won’t this just lead to chaos
You get CCs out the way the day before ELO, the same thing would be happening even without this strat
The day before ELO will be Day 3 (9 people alive), assuming we don’t get a scum here. So then whats the point of everyone claiming results if real modifier cops have to make it clear they’re real anyway?
Ketchup+Jackson—> cop Hu Tao
Hu Tao+Black—> cop Jackson
Ranger+Titus—> cop Doctor Drew
usesPython+Doctor Drew —>cop Black
Political Clout—> cop Ketchup
If you're a modified cop check who you want to check
If you're a regular cop check according to the list and pretend you checked who you wanted to check unless you get a guilty/no result on the person you checked in the list
'pretend you checked who you wanted to check'; how will that work? do we only speak up if we didn’t get an inno and otherwise remain silent?
If we were Town Cop and would want to check Koba as a Disloyal Town Cop we'd Town Cop Black (according to the list) and say we have an inno on Koba
This lets the modifier cops post their results without immediately being obvious from deviating from the list while still letting them check who they want to check. If someone flips Town Cop later in the game it means they got an inno on the person in the list (since otherwise they'd have come out as Town Cop with a guilty/no result)
Ok, but say modifier cops hold back results until Day 4. if we haven’t got a maf out yet, we‘ll be at 4vs3 ELO (assuming 3 scum) and now we don’t have enough time to properly dissect a CC. won’t this just lead to chaos
You get CCs out the way the day before ELO, the same thing would be happening even without this strat
The day before ELO will be Day 3 (9 people alive), assuming we don’t get a scum here. So then whats the point of everyone claiming results if real modifier cops have to make it clear they’re real anyway?
I’m all for protecting the modifier cops. Just feels like there could be another way
Ooh I just had another thought; what if scum were informed to some degree? So they didn’t get caught out in a massclaim? Seems plausible. Like they are informed that the majority of town players are cops.
In post 1757, ketchup777 wrote:
The day before ELO will be Day 3 (9 people alive), assuming we don’t get a scum here. So then whats the point of everyone claiming results if real modifier cops have to make it clear they’re real anyway?
This assumes we hit town here
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In post 1761, ketchup777 wrote:
Ooh I just had another thought; what if scum were informed to some degree? So they didn’t get caught out in a massclaim? Seems plausible. Like they are informed that the majority of town players are cops.
Yes, informed is a normal role. This could actually make a lot of sense?
In post 1757, ketchup777 wrote:
The day before ELO will be Day 3 (9 people alive), assuming we don’t get a scum here. So then whats the point of everyone claiming results if real modifier cops have to make it clear they’re real anyway?
This assumes we hit town here
that is why I said 'assuming we don’t get a scum here'
Ops on 1454? I feel like cant get much townier than this
The only thing we'd consider a cop crumb is 516 but given that you also crumbed VT like 3 times and Bulletproof in 493 it raises the question of what the point of the crumbs even were given that you could have believably claimed not-cop and pointed to crumbs
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Ops on 1454? I feel like cant get much townier than this
The only thing we'd consider a cop crumb is 516 but given that you also crumbed VT like 3 times and Bulletproof in 493 it raises the question of what the point of the crumbs even were given that you could have believably claimed not-cop and pointed to crumbs
I was trying to leave fake crumbs to spook the mafia
In post 1759, ketchup777 wrote:
Also you just keep ignoring that it’s plausible we had some kind of semi-gated PR that could protect Laplacian night 1.
Again, trading a scum member to prevent a green check is a bad trade when you can just not do that and shoot BG, then Lap and then their check instead
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In post 1759, ketchup777 wrote:
Also you just keep ignoring that it’s plausible we had some kind of semi-gated PR that could protect Laplacian night 1.
Again, trading a scum member to prevent a green check is a bad trade when you can just not do that and shoot BG, then Lap and then their check instead
I seriously doubt the person who hammers a somewhat strange-looking claim is always voted off the next day. So it’s not really trading a scum member. how about if there’s like a 2-shot doctor? If you don’t push Lap you’re in deep trouble. Scum!Drew was in a rush though. He didn’t have much time to consider all possible scenarios and likely just thought fading Lap seemed safest and most optimal in the heat of the moment.
