Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[Political Clout]

{usesPython}
{Dannflor}
{hellbooks}
{JupiterXV, fireisredsir, tris}
{Black, Political Clout}

lol

[JupiterXV]

Now that we know Ranger/JV is scum I don't really think we can clear Jupiter for not knowing who replaced JV. If Ranger were town I think this would have been more believable

Dann was pretty convinced Jupiter was town though and I generally trust his reads, so this is tough

i literally ISOed you and PC while being under the impression that JV was replaced by PC and no one said anything at all

[tris]

{usesPython}
{Dannflor}
{hellbooks}
{JupiterXV, fireisredsir, tris}
{Black, Political Clout}

lol

lol!

[tris]

i gotta go. but i'll be back in about an hour

[JupiterXV]

Hmm. 2241 does feel like Jupiter was trying to get me to join the wagon

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[Political Clout]

ranger suspected black from the get go I think. it makes it slightly less likely that they're partners since ranger replaced in.

[Political Clout]

I am growing more and more confident that it's between jupiter and black.

[JupiterXV]

lemme uh, check ISO and see if PC/Black is more or less likely. give me a sec,

I know Black and JV were sitting on the same wagon together on me but in the timeframe when JV got more inactive Black rescinded wagon on me. I'll have to see if my estimates are right or not

If im reading this correctly then Jupiter would be faking the replacement thing from this point
sobasically jupiter is like "ok heres how were gonna get a lim on Political Clout. i am going to fake a misunderstanding in subtle ways for 5 days while also just like voting other people"
it just like really doesnt seem likely to me

ok but why would I as scum put in the effort to do that

[JupiterXV]

I am growing more and more confident that it's between jupiter and black.

ok good to know

[Black]

Sorry if this is wrong but I won't have time to really do much until Friday night and I feel like I need to do something

Attempting to end the day with a fire elimination when there’s plenty of time on the deadline clock is certainly doing something.

I wouldn’t call it protown.

Ranger doesn't show visible frustration here if I'm scum with her. She does if I'm town voting for her buddy fire though

[JupiterXV]

jacksons iso makes me think it's black. both fire and black trying to help them get back in the game. damn hmmmmm.

i literally did an entire iso explaining why jackson and black were partnered

[Black]

Hmm. 2241 does feel like Jupiter was trying to get me to join the wagon

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Do you disagree? Why else would you ask me about PC voting for himself

[JupiterXV]

Hmm. 2241 does feel like Jupiter was trying to get me to join the wagon

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Do you disagree? Why else would you ask me about PC voting for himself

thats a post from fire, my guy

[JupiterXV]

also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but

[Black]

also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but

I'm not convinced it's you over Tris/hellbooks like PC is

[Black]

Hmm. 2241 does feel like Jupiter was trying to get me to join the wagon

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Do you disagree? Why else would you ask me about PC voting for himself

thats a post from fire, my guy

Whoops. I meant to quote the post where you asked me if I had seen PC voting for himself

[Black]

also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but

This feels a little performative though

[hellbooks]

ok so the arguments in favor of tris scum
- careful seeming bussing of JV and fire
- trying to slow down the game maybe demonstrative of fearing assassin
- black's flailing here feels kind of towny but admittedly i dont know meta

arguments in favor of black scum
- PC counter wagon timing after serious hammer threat to fire
- more unwilling to rule jupiter out which might be towny critical thinking but would also probably be a necessary move to get cover after the PC wagon plus leaving more options open

undecided
- ranger black post wagon interaction... but the thing is fire & black were also kind of like doing a simultaneous opposite theater preformance that was also happening. yeah maybe. plausibly all three scum just jump in the thread and do excessive bits of theatre to try and reclaim the position they sacrificed in order to protect fire lim. i kind of had this pet theory that black was pretending to townread fire in hopes that he is convinced to try to endgame which seems not to be true

im leaning tris

[JupiterXV]

also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but

This feels a little performative though

how? you're fencesitting on me like "oh well I think _ is better than jupiter" and then making posts about behaviors ive done that are scummy or whatever. if you think im scum id like to see you explain why

[hellbooks]

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[hellbooks]

darn. missed it againe

[JupiterXV]

Whoops. I meant to quote the post where you asked me if I had seen PC voting for himself

yeah since your townread on him at that time seemed absurd to me

[Black]

also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but

This feels a little performative though

how? you're fencesitting on me like "oh well I think _ is better than jupiter" and then making posts about behaviors ive done that are scummy or whatever. if you think im scum id like to see you explain why

Of course I'm fence sitting. I'm not sure which of you three is scum. I'm going to point out scummy behavior if I see it

[JupiterXV]

not like i expected a flashwagon though

[hellbooks]

jupiter go ahead and take this one