Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[StrangerCoug]

Origin claim: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Why? Kairyuu hasn't reached his ultimate yet, and needs to activate 3 more dreams of reality to do so. This is pointless for the time being.

I thought the origin claims were necessary for him to activate the ultimate.

DrippingGoofball's paranoia is noted.

[Xylthixlm]

I believe no one fully unless they are mod-confirmed (and in this game, probably not even then).


Still thinking about who our best investigation is.
Kairyuu is a waste, since we already know he's not town; the only possible benefit is if he's actually mafia, which is pretty unlikely.

populartajo is a waste because we'll be able to confirm his alignment sooner or later.

I'd rather not investigate a lurker, since if they come up innocent that will give them the ability to coast through the rest of the game.

My ideal investigation is someone who is somewhat scummy, will contribute usefully if they're town, and is hard to read without an investigation. I'm leaning towards DGB here.

[Kairyuu]

@TehVariable:

Do you by any chance have green hair?

No, but that would be awesome. Why do you ask?

Also, thanks much for the flavor info. I may actually be able to piece together what some of these do now. Not sure if that would help much, since I doubt I can avoid using antitown actions because I doubt that there are 4-5 pro town ones in there.

And I see StrangerCoug's claim as rather useful in the long run. As long as Xyl is not correct, he will not die. Seeing this, more people may be willing, later, to actually claim without worrying about a 'punisher' kill.

[Xylthixlm]

Kairyuu: Why are you acting as if I accused you of being an SK who could kill people by knowing their origin, when I only mentioned a "punisher" role and

nothing

about what it might do?

[Xylthixlm]

For example, you could be a cult leader who can only recruit people by knowing their origin.

I think need to stop speculating before I become a whimpering ball convinced everyone else in the game is scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Of course, if he was a cult leader, I would have learned the name of his recruit action (assuming he would have tried guessing randomly).

I feel better.

[DrippingGoofball]

Strangercoug origin claimed, and when people see that he doesn't die because of it then maybe the rest of you guys will join in. No one said anything about wanting you dead.

OK what's going on? I'm totally lost.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think need to stop speculating before I become a whimpering ball convinced everyone else in the game is scum.

Xyl's paranoia is noted.

Haha.

[Kairyuu]

@Xyl:

Why are you acting as if I accused you of being an SK who could kill people by knowing their origin, when I only mentioned a "punisher" role and nothing about what it might do?

Because, if I remember correctly, Nat's role from MS II was exactly that. Also, the word 'punisher' implies (at least to me) some sort of killing ability.

@DGB: Someone didn't take her meds.

OK what's going on? I'm totally lost.

Alright. I am a neutral role. My ultimate activates when I have used my power 4 times successfully and everyone currently alive has origin claimed. That ultimate I explained in my initial claim. SC origin claiming serves to help convince people that there is no role waiting to kill them if they origin claim. Therefore, later in the game when it only takes the origin claims to activate my ultimate (which can activate while I'm dead) more people will be less paranoid about claiming their role origin.

Better? Nowhere in there did anyone say anything about killing you.[/quote]

[Kinetic]

I, for one, will not claim anything until pressured by lynch or if there are 7 or fewer people alive. Either way it is a moot point, if kair doesn't get nked the scum are idiots.

[hp [leaves]]

DGB (for voting for herself which would have caused town to waste an investigation)
Ceprir (for the same reason as DGB and lurking)

I fail to see how wanting to have yourself investigated is anti-town.

I'd only want to get investigated if me flipping out townie makes it easier for the town to scumhunt.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I have no reason to doubt tajo's claim right now, so

Unvote: tajo

.

I'll need a reread to update who I suspect.

[Xylthixlm]

Mod: Please prod Seraphim

[Seraphim]

I'm sorry everyone, this game is over my head. However, I do promise to honor my commitment to the game and be as helpful as possible, though I have no idea to what degree.

So, in an effort to contribute something, I decided to use one of my abilities, Prak's Truth Serum, that allows me to determine if a statement by a player is a lie or not, but I can't use it to find alignment, so that limited my choices. I used this ability on Kairyuu's post 983 and discovered something interesting. This statement:

My ultimate activates when I have used my power 4 times successfully and everyone currently alive has origin claimed

This would appear to be a lie. Apparently, you have either used your ultimate or this isn't your ultimate condition. Or both.

[DrippingGoofball]

This would appear to be a lie. Apparently, you have either used your ultimate or this isn't your ultimate condition. Or both.

Splendid.

LAL.

We already know that Kairyuu isn't town-aligned so that lying suggests and

anti

-town agenda rather than a neutral agenda. If he's lying about his actions, he's probably lying about being neutral, too.

We shouldn't waste whack a mole on Kairyuu because we already know he's not town.

Let's whack a mole somebody else, and lynch Kairyuu after, unless we whack a mole a scumbag.

[dahill1]

kairyuu mind telling us the truth?

[Stef]

kairyuu mind telling us the truth?

[Kairyuu]

*grumble* *grumble*

Fine. I'll give it up. I lied. I doubt you guys would believe me if I said I was planning on outing myself when I got home from work, but whatever.

Here is the whole truth:

My ultimate was already activated during Twilight 2. I was the reason that everyone got to use two actions instead of one. The condition was simply that the game reaches D2.

The win condition that I mentioned was bullshit. It doesn't exist. Instead, what I mentioned as my ultimate condition is my win condition. I have no mod posted investigative powers, only my Dreams of Reality actions. I realized shortly after claiming what I did that it was a horrible idea and lowered my survival rate significantly, but I like LAL, and was debating as to whether you guys would be the same.

Oh well. Lynch me if you feel like it, since the scum have no reason to kill someone who might inadvertantly help them and poses no threat beyond randomness. I'd rather meet my win con though, but now that I've revealed it there is no reason for you guys to just let me win and leave the game (but if you did I'd be happy ).

Well, I may as well just stick with this as long as I'm still alive. It's been quite a fun game thus far, and I've enjoyed playing with all of you.

[qwints]

unvote, Vote:malthusis

(kairyuu)

Now I really want to know your alignment.

[Kairyuu]

It's neutral. I told you that. All you will do is confirm my claim.

[dahill1]

unvote, Vote:malthusis

(kairyuu)

Now I really want to know your alignment.

FoS qwints

moving on, i think it is likely that kairyuu is a SK. i mean come on, part of your WC is getting all of us to origin claim? that hardly seems necessary for just a survivor.

[qwints]

It's neutral. I told you that. All you will do is confirm my claim.

But you've already admitted to lying.

[Kairyuu]

@dahill: But I'm not a survivor. If I'm dead and you all origin claim (as long as I have the 4 Dreams actions) then I still meet my win con.

@quints: What would I have to gain by lying about my alignment and then immediately suggesting myself as an investigation target?

[dahill1]

@dahill: But I'm not a survivor. If I'm dead and you all origin claim (as long as I have the 4 Dreams actions) then I still meet my win con.

hmm i see
the origin part doesn't add up though. does it count the dead players?
if so, then don't you automatically win once you use dreams 4 times and we massclaim?

[Kairyuu]

@dahill:

then don't you automatically win once you use dreams 4 times and we massclaim?

Exactly. Dead players don't count as needing to claim.