Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[yessiree]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

[yessiree]

Gob- fluffy pillow under my head

why the or. You realize theres 4 scum in this game

i dont think both hu and python are scum, just one of them
4th could be gob tbh

gob partner energy spike

[yessiree]

I think we need to go back to our original "Theta/Dave/Bella is a gamewinning solve" read

the problem is 3 people are afk vote parking me

[usesPython]

Why Titus?

Me

,

Gamma

,

Python

,

Meuh

are town. Black,

Ari

, gob and

furtive

are probably town.

Nobody wants to vote yess
Nobody wants to

RC

Titus had a scummy post and also isn't posting a lot.

Sounds like enough reasons to vote Titus for me.

Thats quite a lot of solid reads.How are you this confident

indirect discrediting DE's Titus vote

this means DE's townreads are more or less on point

[yessiree]

hi Titus, i didn't like ur previous slot. This seems to be a running theme with us as of late. Maybe we can break the cycle and u can scumread me too.

Ok. If you want. XD

But seriously, our last game together all you had to do was be decent to people and it was a cake walk. This game I will not let you off so easy.

no way firebringer decides to antagonize Titus, a prolific scum player right off the bat

im having a hard time imagining they wouldn't try to leverage each other more if scum together, being an antagonist early on severely limits their dynamics

so what im saying is im relying on firebringer to solve the game

[yessiree]

Aristea

-Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
Bella- 7 posts so far, idk what to think
Black (Drew)- having fun and chilling, i like this attitude

Dragon

-towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
Firebringer-idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum

furtive

- idk yet

Gamma

- solving townie
Gob (Enchant)- fluffy pillow under my head
Hu Tao (Bingle)-Suspicious but needs to post more

Meuh

-null

RCE

-null

Titus

-null
THS (dave)-idk yet
Theta-feels like solving town

Python

- they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
yessiree- still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum

Horoscope level read: sort the explanations by character count, lowest will hit scum

this is my preferred order

dave -> gob -> theta -> hu tao -> bella

Black/fire are still clears

[davesaz]

I have given that reason over and over. It's not going to change.

My problem with your explanation is that the reason you gave can be easily be done by scum!you. Like saying bell isn't doing anything, her votes are all bad. Its just like low level analysis even given all your talk about the votes and all the math you brought into the game.

Tell me how this couldn't be a case from scum you

I think I'd probably do better as scum in this situation, because I'd be able to be totally confident in a couple of town reads.

[usesPython]

Something we should check when we have time: We know exactly when Naerys swapped on Titus and can assume that's when Titus went "bus time" in maf PT, so rereading the LHF with that in mind

[yessiree]

Spoiler: huge quotes of Titus vs yessiree wagons

I don't get why people want yes man dead

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Titus

yessiree ISO looks fine to me

Why Titus?

VOTE: Titus

To have a

wagon

.

wolf team conspiring rn

Nobody wants to vote yess

This seems incorrect

Why Titus?

Me, Gamma, Python, Meuh are town. Black, Ari, gob and furtive are probably town.

Nobody wants to vote yess
Nobody wants to RC

Titus had a scummy post and also isn't posting a lot.

Sounds like enough reasons to vote Titus for me.

Thats quite a lot of solid reads.How are you this confident

i still want to see a yes wagon
i am not sure how people are seeing some of his content as towny

VOTE: yes

i still want to see a yes wagon
i am not sure how people are seeing some of his content as towny

What is scummy about his content though
I agree it's not super townie but I looked at his ISO and just thought it was okay, not particularly compelling

He's practically openwolfing

I don't see anything towny about him at all

Try to read his posts from the viewpoint that he's scum just openwolfing and see if it makes sense

VOTE: yes

VOTE: yess

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

Scum Yes was rather obv in the game I played with him

VOTE: Titus
LETS CROSS VOTE COME ON

Scum Yes was rather obv in the game I played with him

Sorry, what's your read on yess?

I scumread him

More Titus votes

V OTECOUNT 1.6
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, Aristeia, DragonEater70, Bellaphant
Titus (4)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer
Firebringer (3)	gob, usesPython, yessiree
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
Meuh (1)	Black
Naerys (1)	furtiveglance
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

Aristea-Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
Bella- 7 posts so far, idk what to think
Black- having fun and chilling, i like this attitude
Dragon-towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
Firebringer-idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum
furtive- idk yet
Gamma- solving townie
Gob- fluffy pillow under my head
Hu Tao-Suspicious but needs to post more
Meuh-null
RCE-null
Titus-null
THS-idk yet
Theta-feels like solving town
Python- they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
yessiree- still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum

i dont like the way yessiree posts and i dont find him doing much tbh

I think yessiree is acting. No meta so don't know if this is usual or not, but it's definitely feeling like a persona.

I can kinda see a persona vibe, we've correctly scumread yes man with that read in that past

VOTE: yessiree

VOTE: yessiree
I was gonna do this once I posted my solve but since that’s not happening, I will just place the vote and that’s that

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

I am open to a Titus elim

VOTE: Titus

I like this better than the yess wagon

I think 1151 was what pinged me on scum!Titus

really weird pivot from her earlier exchange with Black into an ari vote, tone felt off too since she was suggesting both of them are scum together, so why did she feel the need to pivot?

VOTE: Titus

just like the good ol' days

VOTE: titus

But looking over this game he doesn't really use them a lot either?

I think you might be a little confbiased Gamma

It happened a lot early so it’s less confbias and more just being locked-on to something that has changed over time
VOTE: Titus
Not really feeling the yess vote anymore

UNVOTE:
Last in first out ig

V OTECOUNT 1.7
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer, Black, yessiree, Aristeia
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Bellaphant, usesPython
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	gob
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

TLDR - dave, firebringer, Black had momentum swing votes on Titus, dave was kinda on the fence about yess while voting Titus
theta and naerys were trying to swing the momentum back to me with support from more prominent members like Gamma and DE
bella and python in particular had opportunistic votes trying to direct energy away from Titus

all in all, this makes my eval go up for the people on Titus. i think this reaffirms my firebringer + black + hu tao townread, and dave is bumped up a notch
{Hu Tao, davesaz, Firebringer, Black}

my eval drops for the people in this group, gob to a lessor extent than the rest
{Theta Alpine, Bellaphant, usesPython, gob}

there were more juicy stuff after this section, but i did a cutoff here cause i wanted to focus on the counter wagon dynamics between Titus and me

my next task would probably be looking at what happened next all the way to the lim to see who tried to direct energy away from the Titus lim and shift the focus of the thread elsewhere

[usesPython]

Spoiler: huge quotes of Titus vs yessiree wagons

I don't get why people want yes man dead

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Titus

yessiree ISO looks fine to me

Why Titus?

VOTE: Titus

To have a

wagon

.

wolf team conspiring rn

Nobody wants to vote yess

This seems incorrect

Why Titus?

Me, Gamma, Python, Meuh are town. Black, Ari, gob and furtive are probably town.

Nobody wants to vote yess
Nobody wants to RC

Titus had a scummy post and also isn't posting a lot.

Sounds like enough reasons to vote Titus for me.

Thats quite a lot of solid reads.How are you this confident

i still want to see a yes wagon
i am not sure how people are seeing some of his content as towny

VOTE: yes

i still want to see a yes wagon
i am not sure how people are seeing some of his content as towny

What is scummy about his content though
I agree it's not super townie but I looked at his ISO and just thought it was okay, not particularly compelling

He's practically openwolfing

I don't see anything towny about him at all

Try to read his posts from the viewpoint that he's scum just openwolfing and see if it makes sense

VOTE: yes

VOTE: yess

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

Scum Yes was rather obv in the game I played with him

VOTE: Titus
LETS CROSS VOTE COME ON

Scum Yes was rather obv in the game I played with him

Sorry, what's your read on yess?

I scumread him

More Titus votes

V OTECOUNT 1.6
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, Aristeia, DragonEater70, Bellaphant
Titus (4)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer
Firebringer (3)	gob, usesPython, yessiree
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
Meuh (1)	Black
Naerys (1)	furtiveglance
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

Aristea-Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
Bella- 7 posts so far, idk what to think
Black- having fun and chilling, i like this attitude
Dragon-towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
Firebringer-idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum
furtive- idk yet
Gamma- solving townie
Gob- fluffy pillow under my head
Hu Tao-Suspicious but needs to post more
Meuh-null
RCE-null
Titus-null
THS-idk yet
Theta-feels like solving town
Python- they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
yessiree- still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum

i dont like the way yessiree posts and i dont find him doing much tbh

I think yessiree is acting. No meta so don't know if this is usual or not, but it's definitely feeling like a persona.

I can kinda see a persona vibe, we've correctly scumread yes man with that read in that past

VOTE: yessiree

VOTE: yessiree
I was gonna do this once I posted my solve but since that’s not happening, I will just place the vote and that’s that

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

I am open to a Titus elim

VOTE: Titus

I like this better than the yess wagon

I think 1151 was what pinged me on scum!Titus

really weird pivot from her earlier exchange with Black into an ari vote, tone felt off too since she was suggesting both of them are scum together, so why did she feel the need to pivot?

VOTE: Titus

just like the good ol' days

VOTE: titus

But looking over this game he doesn't really use them a lot either?

I think you might be a little confbiased Gamma

It happened a lot early so it’s less confbias and more just being locked-on to something that has changed over time
VOTE: Titus
Not really feeling the yess vote anymore

UNVOTE:
Last in first out ig

V OTECOUNT 1.7
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer, Black, yessiree, Aristeia
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Bellaphant, usesPython
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	gob
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

TLDR - dave, firebringer, Black had momentum swing votes on Titus, dave was kinda on the fence about yess while voting Titus
theta and naerys were trying to swing the momentum back to me with support from more prominent members like Gamma and DE
bella and python in particular had opportunistic votes trying to direct energy away from Titus

all in all, this makes my eval go up for the people on Titus. i think this reaffirms my firebringer + black + hu tao townread, and dave is bumped up a notch
{Hu Tao, davesaz, Firebringer, Black}

my eval drops for the people in this group, gob to a lessor extent than the rest
{Theta Alpine, Bellaphant, usesPython, gob}

there were more juicy stuff after this section, but i did a cutoff here cause i wanted to focus on the counter wagon dynamics between Titus and me

my next task would probably be looking at what happened next all the way to the lim to see who tried to direct energy away from the Titus lim and shift the focus of the thread elsewhere

Since you're doing our job for us keep this in mind too

Something we should check when we have time: We know exactly when Naerys swapped on Titus and can assume that's when Titus went "bus time" in maf PT, so rereading the LHF with that in mind

[Enchant]

Aristea

-Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
Bella- 7 posts so far, idk what to think
Black (Drew)- having fun and chilling, i like this attitude

Dragon

-towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
Firebringer-idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum

furtive

- idk yet

Gamma

- solving townie
Gob (Enchant)- fluffy pillow under my head
Hu Tao (Bingle)-Suspicious but needs to post more

Meuh

-null

RCE

-null

Titus

-null
THS (dave)-idk yet
Theta-feels like solving town

Python

- they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
yessiree- still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum

Horoscope level read: sort the explanations by character count, lowest will hit scum

this is my preferred order

dave -> gob -> theta -> hu tao -> bella

Black/fire are still clears

What changed with your hate on me.

[yessiree]

What changed with your hate on me.

nothing changed you were always in my bottom 3

[Bingle]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

This is like 0% clearing.

[Bingle]

some sort of fallback for if the cop is the first elim/nightkill would be good in this setup yeah
it is
straight mountainous right now and i am not sure how well we are doing solve wise
and we are doing very badly in town engagement with the game so

on a better note
happy birthday drew

Bruh

Just no-lim twice at start of game, without talking, then hypoclaim.

Of course i am not gonna count winrates in this case.

That’s a decent option for ‘breaking’ this game to not be scum sided, fwiw, but relying on 3 night phases blind to balance a setup is poor game design because there are literally 2 people who just don’t get to play and if scum hits cop you might as well call the game right there.

[yessiree]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

This is like 0% clearing.

Disagree

[Enchant]

some sort of fallback for if the cop is the first elim/nightkill would be good in this setup yeah
it is
straight mountainous right now and i am not sure how well we are doing solve wise
and we are doing very badly in town engagement with the game so

on a better note
happy birthday drew

Bruh

Just no-lim twice at start of game, without talking, then hypoclaim.

Of course i am not gonna count winrates in this case.

That’s a decent option for ‘breaking’ this game to not be scum sided, fwiw, but relying on 3 night phases blind to balance a setup is poor game design because there are literally 2 people who just don’t get to play and if scum hits cop you might as well call the game right there.

That's why this setup bad.

[Enchant]

Also i don't think we can call this game even with cop dropping dead D1 (which would or would not be avoided by remaining silent).

If anything we are pretty good as mountanious goes so far.

[yessiree]

Also i don't think we can call this game even with cop dropping dead D1 (which would or would not be avoided by remaining silent).

If anything we are pretty good as mountanious goes so far.

0/3

[Enchant]

Also i don't think we can call this game even with cop dropping dead D1 (which would or would not be avoided by remaining silent).

If anything we are pretty good as mountanious goes so far.

0/3

[yessiree]

Also i don't think we can call this game even with cop dropping dead D1 (which would or would not be avoided by remaining silent).

If anything we are pretty good as mountanious goes so far.

0/3

[Firebringer]

That’s a decent option for ‘breaking’ this game to not be scum sided, fwiw, but relying on 3 night phases blind to balance a setup is poor game design because there are literally 2 people who just don’t get to play and if scum hits cop you might as well call the game right there.

I dislike this game setup anyways so this is a fine way to play it

[Bingle]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

This is like 0% clearing.

Disagree

You are entitled to have wrong opinions.

[Bingle]

UNVOTE:

fb what's the dave towncase

the timing is muy bad-o

Huh? I kinda thought casting shade on me and then voting someone I think is probtown while I'm getting this much "Bingle neverscum" thread energy is an unlikely course of action for scum.

Not fire, but this.

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

fb what's the dave towncase

the timing is muy bad-o

Huh? I kinda thought casting shade on me and then voting someone I think is probtown while I'm getting this much "Bingle neverscum" thread energy is an unlikely course of action for scum.

Not fire, but this.

I feel like if we set the townread standard this low we go back to townreading everyone

[Bingle]

That feels like a ridiculous assertion when I’m voting the leading wagon, tbh.

Do you have a town case on yes?