Mini 703 - A Roccisi Autumn - Over

[insanepenguin02]

Ecto - you trying to say that i have been inactive?! I just signed up on this mini today.

[Adel]

unvote, vote:darkdude

that makes four votes on him. Time to claim darkdude.

with 10 alive it should take 6 to lynch.

[darkdude]

I am watcher.

Night 0 no one targeted ThAdmiral
Night 1 no one targeted Korts

[insanepenguin02]

Unvote

[Ectomancer]

There's a scum watcher? Nice. With an amnesiac cop and gun inventor handing things out, that role comes in useful. Should there be another roving role (doc, roleblocker), you would have a fairly high probability of seeing town members going to and fro. I'm rather unmoved by this claim.

Still, let's play out the hand. Are you able to reveal your night one target and result?

[Ectomancer]

Ecto - you trying to say that i have been inactive?! I just signed up on this mini today.

Post 469

[darkdude]

Still, let's play out the hand. Are you able to reveal your night one target and result?

Ecto, please read my posts correctly...

This is why I think your case against me is bullshit and you're just too tunnel visioned.

[Adel]

I am watcher.

Night 0 no one targeted ThAdmiral
Night 1 no one targeted Korts

Why did you target Korts?

[TDC]

Vote Count

darkdude (3): Ectomancer, Korts, Adel

Kison (2): darkdude, tubby216

Not voting (5): Kison, Sweenytodd, ThAdmiral, Rage, insanepenguin02

Kison replaces IH.

[Rage]

I am watcher.

Night 0 no one targeted ThAdmiral
Night 1 no one targeted Korts

I know you did nothing on Night 0.

Vote: Darkdude

[darkdude]

I know you did nothing on Night 0.

Oh noez.

i r scum

Unvote
Vote: darkdude

[Korts]

Is that your serious response?

[ThAdmiral]

should I hammer or wait for him to respond properly.

my guess is he ain't coming back.

[Korts]

Alright, hammer away.

[Ectomancer]

Still, let's play out the hand. Are you able to reveal your night one target and result?

Ecto, please read my posts correctly...

This is why I think your case against me is bullshit and you're just too tunnel visioned.

It looked like part of your sig. I dont read sigs.

[Ectomancer]

I know you did nothing on Night 0.

Oh noez.

i r scum

Unvote
Vote: darkdude

Humph. Not much else to say then.

[insanepenguin02]

Whatever...

Vote: darkdude

[TDC]

"Any reason why we shouldn't lynch you, darkdude?"
"I... I..."
"Yes?"
"I..."
"What?"
"I... I've got binoculars!"
"Binoculars?"
"Yes... Binoculars."
"And I have a Monocle. What's your point?"
"I.. I've watched some houses during the nights."
"Like.. which houses?"
"Uh.. ThAdmiral and then, uhh.. Korts. Yeah, ThAdmiral and Korts."
Some mumbling is heard.
"Well, I know you haven't been looking out of your window a night ago." says Rage.
"I haven't? Well, that looks kind of bad for me, doesn't it?"
It does, and thus darkdude is lynched.
Nobody is really surprised, when you find out what darkdude's bumper sticker says: "Proud member of the family".

Final Vote Count of Day 2

darkdude (6): Ectomancer, Korts, Adel, Rage, darkdude, insanepenguin02

Kison (1): tubby216

Not voting (3): Kison, Sweenytodd, ThAdmiral

Deaths

darkdude (Goon), Mafia

Status

It is now

Night 2

. You have saved

5

days for tomorrow (plus the one I stole earlier).
The night will end

Sunday, December 21st 15:00 CET

(a bit over three days from now) at the latest.
Please submit your night choices in time.
I will try to find a replacement for Sweenytodd before the night is over.

[TDC]

afatchic replaces Sweenytodd.

[TDC]

"So, who's missing today?"
"I can't see Adel. Didn't she say she was going to die?"
"Yes, I remember that, too. Seems she was right. Let's see whether we find anything useful in her hou.."
The door slams open and much to the surprise of the others, Adel enters the room.
"Someday I'll remember to unlock the cellar if I want them to wake me in the morning.. I mean.. my alarm clock failed to go off."

Deaths

None

Status

It is now

Day 3

. With 9 players alive and the 6 days saved from yesterday, this day will last at most 25 days.
So the deadline is

January 15th 3:00 CET.

5 votes to lynch.

[Adel]

I think that darkdude is scum, and either Korts or Ectomancer is bussing him, but probably not both of them.

I think we should lynch darkdude today, and either Korts or Ectomancer tomorrow after darkdude proves to be scum. I wouldn't normally suggest a lynch order like this, bu I expect to get night killed (WIFOM TRAP) tonight.

I am glad I didn't die last night, especially since

Unvote: Rage
Vote: tubby216

I have questioned Rage to my content now. Doesn't seem more likely to be scum or town at the moment; I am only wary of the way he responds to things. However so far my meta on him is saying town. To those who don't know, my good friend Rage here has had many games with me.

AFAIK tubby and gorckat are the only ones not to have posted yet.

Chuckrock has made two posts. Puta has made two posts. Neither had much to contribute.

in addition to rage's softclaim is raising a bunch of flags for me.

consider:
1. darkdude and rage have played a lot with each other.
2. a fake claim that lynches your scum buddy is a near auto-win gambit
3. darkdude unvoted rage at post 49, which stalled the rage wagon that was pretty strong on page 2.

also,

I play RL every day with darkdude, and, yes, we generally end up massclaiming when we know it's lynch or lose. However, usually anyone who asks for massclaim "too early" gets a heck of a lot of suspicion on them and then ends up being the lynch for the day. I'm not saying Brain of Wombat should be today's lynch, I'm saying I'm suspicious of him because it's behavior that I've seen scum try to pull. Along with the inclusion of roles that have an ambiguous alignment, I think Wombat's behavior, as I mentioned earlier, matches what I presume a scum's version of one of them to be. I want to hear from him to be certain of his intentions, instead of other players jetting in to say that he's just a newb and not to take his actions seriously, as though they want to defend him merely to put suspicion on me. Which is precisely what you are doing.

Now, what I mean by him being a newb not being too much of a factor about his actions so far is that would it not be easier to tell if he's a newbie scum than a newbie townie if he's asking for things a townie shouldn't be, first thing in the game? You can blame it on newbiness and say that he might have heard it done somewhere before and, thus, tried it out here, but how can you be so sure about this if 1) he hasn't said a word about it himself, and 2) He's town, and therefore has less of a chance of players sticking up for him (and if he's a mason setting up someone for starting a case on him, there's the possibility of a scum Neighbour).

In short, I'm saying we can't take anything anyone says to heart unless it can be backed up by logical proof, like darkdude's suggestion of No Lynch to make the numbers better for town.

I think a fakeclaim gambit to buss a scumbuddy is something they have developed in their daily play. It would take coordination to pull off.

Finally, the way that darkdude quite as soon as Rage softclaimed does not sit well with me. If I were darkdude I would be all about getting more information out of Rage before my lynch. It would be really important to figure out if Rage was a RB or a Jailkeeper or a Tracker, or possibly even a watcher who targeted ThAdmiral N0 or the person who got a result from an Amnesiac Watcher who targeted ThAdmiral N0.

~~~

In other news, Kison should post a bunch of high quality words soon.

[Adel]

EBWOP: Finally, the way that darkdude

quite

quit as soon as Rage softclaimed does not sit well with me.

~~~

I don't know what I want from Rage at this point. If he actually is a town powerrole, I don't want him to reveal which flavor of powerrole he is.

Also, if one of you is a doc, please don't assume that he is innocent if you protected him last night. Part of their possible gambit may include choosing not to kill, or perhaps the scum killer was roleblocked.

If a bodyguard protected Rage last night, it may be a good idea to claim during this day.

[Kison]

Hiya.

Couple of things...

Rage, would you mind explaining in a bit more detail why you were so sure of your meta on darkdude that you were willing to assume with seemingly meager evidence that he was crumbing having received the amnesiac cop result? Also, why, if you believed this to be the case, did you decide to broadcast this to everyone? I don't recall him being in immediate lynch danger at that point(though granted he had a few people pushing for him). Basically, if I am to assume you truly thought he was trying to lure someone into a trap, I do not see why you felt obligated to announce it. And not because I think you'd be foiling the trap(because no-one obviously 'fell for it'), but rather because if you genuinely believed he had it, I would expect you to keep quiet about it unless you were reinforcing him after he later were to come forth and announce the result. Bringing it to everyone's attention would just make him a target if you happened to be right.

1)do you believe the case on you/BoW is valid?

I recognize that BOW made posts that contain many tells that can be counted as scummy. I believe that BOW was probably a VI, and those tells from his posts should probably be discarded as not being likely to correlate with alignment.

2)do you think you should full claim since Bow kinda soft claimed?

I had no idea he softclaimed. I do not think it is a good idea for me to claim at this point. Do you want me to claim?

3)who do you think is scummiest on your wagon and why?

I do not know who the scummiest person is. I haven't read the game deeply yet, and I haven't even started a full analysis of it. It will probably take me until about Thursday of next week to post any conclusions that I can be really confident of.

ok fair enough. I think you have satisfied my suspicion enough for now. However please note I will be watching your posts closely
but i feel ih 's lurking is a bigger problem, so i'll

unvote

vote ih

This post also looks off to me(and no, not because the vote is moved to me). What about Adel's response satisfied your suspicion? The only chunk of it that I presume might have been what you're talking about is the village idiot part, which was something that had been discussed a few times before Adel even joined the game.

I'm noting the role formerly filled by Tarballs had needs more content.

Brain of Wombat's grand debut into the game is not really alarming. Thinking that relying on investigative roles to ride the way through the game is a mindset I can easily see adopted by a newbie who is unfamiliar with how the game is played. I'm not even really that worried about him doing it again the second day. As either alignment I don't see his motive in doing something blatant like that to draw ridicule if he knows it will happen.

More to come in due time. And because there's no content from either of my predecessors I anticipate and welcome hard interrogation. Get to it!

[Adel]

what do you guys make of this:

ThAdmiral mentioned darkdude 13 times, and tubby twice.
darkdude mentioned ThAdmiral 8 times, and tubby 4 times.
Tubby mentioned darkdude 14 times and ThAdmiral only once.

[Rage]

I'm out decorating a tree, so I'll see if I can find some time to post later today. If not, expect one mid-day (EST) tomorrow.