open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[shiki]

Is there anyone alive that has already been targeted by Titus? I don’t think there is, but need to check.

nope

[shiki]

I want Doc to claim because I have a hypothesis about the night actions and it radically changes my reads if I'm correct.

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[OutWorldER]

I want Doc to claim because I have a hypothesis about the night actions and it radically changes my reads if I'm correct.

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The only case scenario that JK should die here is if JK jailed doc. If Doc was for some reason just not healing Titus for a night I'm going to reach through the internet and slap them. Titus seemed to be jailing consensus scum-reads outside of Skygazer, so like, Project/Jupiter/Bella was likely her target pool. If we take Shiki/Dann/myself as a correct townblock, and I think it is, it narrows, at least my own scumpool, down to two final people.

[OutWorldER]

Like, I think the only reason we wouldn't be in auto-win is if you or Dann was a wolf in which case it still just comes down to ELO anyways so.

[ProjEctRy]

Surely the doctor didn’t move off of Titus. The only doctor claim we have was Afrayed (Shiki). Even though it wasn’t clear how serious that claim was, surely Titus wouldn’t risk Shiki as a target.

So if we believe Titus wouldn’t target Shiki, then Titus jailed someone else, who must have been the doctor, meaning Afrayed’s claim was false.

But what does that say about Shiki?

[Dannflor]

But what does that say about Shiki?

what does it say about shiki, project?

[ProjEctRy]

I’m not exactly sure. Still trying to work it out.

[shiki]

just assume i am town regardless

would be a doomed doctor claim from scum!afrayed knott and playing is shiki the doctor or just a town not going to help with finding the scums

[shiki]

frustrating that we finding way to unsolve the game across the board tho

[shiki]

yesterday all we needed was titus + doctor + town were sure of and tada game won

[shiki]

idk guess maybe i simply don’t understand anything because obviously did not want to play yesterday the way we did in general

but! unimportant from current position

[shiki]

but at least now everyone has to do the thing

[Dannflor]

blah

[Dannflor]

i guess i think it's between bellaphant and project

[Dannflor]

it's worth noting T3 likes pushing his partners early

he did something similar in DefCon albeit that was a bit of a meme game

[Dannflor]

I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out

I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well

I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels

Nothing is really pinging me as scummy yet

something that kinda shoes me away from scum!project is this post from black

i think scum kind of intuitively try to break up their reads on their partners and stringing together two town reads, based on mind melding with one buddy's town read of another buddy is... something I'd be surprised to see as a partner read

[shiki]

going to just forget everything i thought before today because was solving the game as it was not pure

[OutWorldER]

i guess i think it's between bellaphant and project

What changed your mind about Jupiter?

I actually think Bella isn't likely to be scum here I'm kinda just between Jupiter and Project, favoring Project.

[Dannflor]

I don't know actually

Just kinda felt like that was wrong but maybe that's my weakness to AtE showing

Also had times where I felt like Bella was wrong

What has you convinced on Bella?

[Dannflor]

i'm wavering on T3, i feel like this could be unpartnered? i feel like scum tend to try and ignore moments when their partner gets called out, so T3 addressing it directly gives townie vibes in hindsight. that being said, i rlly don't like T3's end of day yesterday

i think that one post from black about pushing titus if t3 flipped town might spew t3 as town? idk if that's how it works though. otherwise i'd say t3 is around a null, probably more likely to be scum
also i think his eod was fine, i was also pretty surprised by the self-hammer

VOTE: Skygazer

are you scumreading me now? your reasoning yesterday was just survivalism, so is that still the case? or did something change?

wait what
i didn't pay much attention to it but iirc t3's push on you was a meta read? am i wrong?

gang what're the chances that afrayed and t3 are partnered

read a bit and fonna make my thoughts as consice as possible cuz typing on a phone is painful
- t3 is the lim that makes the most mechanical sense
- hiwever i think his ate leans towny his reactions seem very genuine. im reluctant to vote him
- if titus doesnt die does this game turn into something like "follow the cop" but with jailkeeper? does doc have limited protects in a row or can we keep titus alive forever
- limpoop for me is between kurta, project, aisa, and maybe ccs havent seen much from thst slot

i guess i still think jupiter has the worst posts in the aftermath of the Black flip in terms of defending / hedging on T3

(yes i know this is hypocritical but i unironically think my posts defending t3 are less partnery than are)

[ProjEctRy]

With a doctor claim, provided the claim is outside of the strong town pool, can we whittle it down (each in our own minds) to 4 town reads, leaving two suspects?

If we can collectively agree on two strong town reads (Dann and Shiki (agreeing with 3082). Then the doctor claims (this relies upon the doctor not being Shiki or Dann), that takes it to 3 strong town. Then every other town individual knows they are the 4th town, which leaves two possibilities.

Then we just focus votes on the final two.

Is that something that works or helps, or is it too risky to reveal the doctor?

[Dannflor]

read a bit and fonna make my thoughts as consice as possible cuz typing on a phone is painful
- t3 is the lim that makes the most mechanical sense
- hiwever i think his ate leans towny his reactions seem very genuine. im reluctant to vote him
- if titus doesnt die does this game turn into something like "follow the cop" but with jailkeeper? does doc have limited protects in a row or can we keep titus alive forever
- limpoop for me is between kurta, project, aisa, and maybe ccs havent seen much from thst slot

also no deaths AGAIN? is scum deliberately making no kills?? why are they doing this that makes no sense

also no deaths AGAIN? is scum deliberately making no kills?? why are they doing this that makes no sense

why do you think they are doing it?

that's the thing, i don't know
if i were scum here i'd almost certainly be on titus, but titus isn't dead yet. which is weird cuz she's and outed pr (no hate titus you're cool)
and we've gone three nights without kills which indicates that at least one of them was a no kill which doesn't make sense to me. only world i can see scum making a no kill is where they're at such a bad position that they don't want to get jailed, but scum would want to at least

try

, right? they're playing against wincon which is crazy bad for them and good for me, but. yk it seems like such a stupid play on all levels

also still don't understand this progression where Jupiter forgot that it was possible the doctor could just protect Titus over and over again

[Dannflor]

i guess i am reconvincing myself that it is jupiter

[ProjEctRy]

Actually don’t think that works.

[shiki]

With a doctor claim, provided the claim is outside of the strong town pool, can we whittle it down (each in our own minds) to 4 town reads, leaving two suspects?

If we can collectively agree on two strong town reads (Dann and Shiki (agreeing with 3082). Then the doctor claims (this relies upon the doctor not being Shiki or Dann), that takes it to 3 strong town. Then every other town individual knows they are the 4th town, which leaves two possibilities.

Then we just focus votes on the final two.

Is that something that works or helps, or is it too risky to reveal the doctor?

also from your point of view part of this approach would have to be show everyone else you are town (unless you’re about to claim doctor) otherwise, uh