In post 2118, OutWorldER wrote:
Rereading and Ctrl+F through Black's ISO really just makes me want to lim Project more but there's a case for Bella and Aisa too, I think.
If you have other reasons to scum read me that’s fine, but I don’t see how you can think Black’s interactions with me were anything other than Black pocketing me.
This is my first ever game and I was ripe for the picking. She was overly complimentary of me and was clearly drawing me in.
If I was her scum partner, wouldn’t she avoid so overtly defending or supporting me? Surely that would be too risky of an association.
What makes you think it would be too risky for Black to defend you if you were her partner? It worries me a little that you say
surely
it would be too risky as if it were a foregone conclusion.
(though sorry if we're giving you a rough time on your first game. I haven't had a lot of energy for the game recently, but at least in principle I'm always up for swapping notes on reads etc when I'm around )
In post 2125, OutWorldER wrote:
You're argument here also disproves itself; It's not "too risky of an association" because you and others have been making the argument that it's pocketing and not mafia being partnered. In addition, and I think the critical point here, is that if Black is pocketing you then the strategy she had with you is incredibly unclear. As far as I can tell from her ISO, she never tries to get you to vote with her, and you never built up the credibility nor the motivation/activity to be a voice in her defense.
I concede there's a chance she was pocketing you. I just think it's much more likely you two were partnered instead.
I don’t think the argument does disprove itself, because other people thought I was scum because of this association (just most now see it as me being pocketed).
Plus you are still trying to lim me largely based upon Black’s interactions with me. You presumably want this to gain traction, so if I was limmed largely based upon this reasoning, then if I was scum, then it would have been too risky of an association for Black.
In post 2113, Bellaphant wrote:
I also think, as my read now is a bit ??? On Jupiter, that it wouldn't be the end of the world to lim the slot. There are more readable people out there. Like, Jupiter, knot and maybe shadow feel like ok lims.
What we don't have as the days were quick are many other wagons 'for info'
I don't think he's particularly at risk today, but I would be pretty against a Knott lim at this point
What makes you hesitant on him?
But anyway, with knot, like he's maybe town but I find the kind really hard to read: he reminds me of furtive glance a lot, where I can't work out if we are just on different planets or he's scum. Its more that we need 'semi clears'/readable people in end game. We also can't keep limming the more lhf guys because the wifom has clearly worked on Titus.
It's a nightless game. Pretty clear with the K elim being wrong. While I jailed Aisa, that's not an auto guilty. Scum at this point are fishing for the doctor. Killing anyone clears someone else. That would be close to a mathematically impossible win. It's in our position to wagon as few people to claim as possible.
Bella, just so you know the feeling is mutual. I’m finding it hard to read you. But I sort of get the gut feeling your post above has a purpose that you might be building towards.
Tbf there's not many people here who I'm like 'trust their read on me' because I think I read Titus better than she reads me (even though she's tr me), and then like I've only really played with aisa and sky And then not much.
The Outworlder - Projectry dynamic does confuse me. The strength of OWER's read on Project is surprising to me and I'm finding it difficult to decide if it's because he's right, he's wrong, or he's scum
But anyway, with knot, like he's maybe town but I find the kind really hard to read: he reminds me of furtive glance a lot, where I can't work out if we are just on different planets or he's scum. Its more that we need 'semi clears'/readable people in end game. We also can't keep limming the more lhf guys because the wifom has clearly worked on Titus.
In post 2160, Bellaphant wrote:
Like I suspect Titus jailed you last night and I'm kinda ok with your lim but then??
The person you suspect Titus jailed is me, right?
Thanks for the perspective on Knot. Again, FWIW he's one of the slots I'm townreading most at the moment but I have similar worries about who the last few slots left standing will be and if they will be able to find correct reads on each other
Dann is town
In case anyone was curious about my methods, I determined this by skimming 20 of his posts and going with my gut feeling
Huge breakthrough that definitely won't give me any paranoia in two days' time i know i know thank you
Can you tell me A, why you opened D2 pushing Afrayed even though you were pushing a T3/Black partner theory D1
And B, what made you realize scum havw the option to concede?
It's been 3 weeks since then and I don't entirely remember all the reasons. IIRC during N1 I was looking through Black's ISO and thought that her push against AK was soft (with hindsight and reading it again for D5, I think Black v. AK was genuinely SvT). I still did think T3 was scum and partnered with Black D2, I just wanted to push AK first since I had thought he went mostly under people's radar.
A game I played on an alt account ended with Mafia being in an essentially unwinnable situation and the last mafia conceded. I then drew from this the conclusion that the last mafia either was in a really good position that they could potentially make it to ELO or has a really high motivation to try and win regardless of circumstances.
In post 2171, Aisa wrote:
The Outworlder - Projectry dynamic does confuse me. The strength of OWER's read on Project is surprising to me and I'm finding it difficult to decide if it's because he's right, he's wrong, or he's scum
I literally wall-cased Project during D2 and have pushed him consistently since then? I'm not sure why it's surprising unless you just haven't been paying attention.
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