Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[Claptastik]

Posting

[Alianna]

1.15

Votecount 1.15

shaddowez (E-2): Claptastik, Doc and Drew, Mizuki
ssbm_Kyouko (2): gob, Elements
Elements (2): Black, Cook
Doc and Drew (1): shaddowez

Not Voting (1): ssbm_Kyouko

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-12 17:30:45).

[Black]

What a snipe

[Elements]

I'm not sure about shaddow. I still wouldn't mind going here but my current paranoia is directed at Elements and that makes me think she's spewing shaddow as town

If I'm scum, shadow is town

I don't but the vt/ pr argument, but this kind of paying is scummy.

Idk if it's scummy, but it's emotional and just bad

[gob]

VOTE: Elements

[Elements]

Yikes

[Elements]

Sorry for throwing so hard I guess?

[Alianna]

ssbm_Kyouko is being prodded.

(shaddowez would also be in prod range but is not being prodded due to weekend V/LA)

[Claptastik]

Why is not voting scummy

Because there's two days left. Claiming to have scum reads, but not voting, looks like scum not wanting to commit to a wagon that may not succeed.

[Claptastik]

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

What kind of people are likely to be a PR?

[Claptastik]

Yeah perhaps. Then there's the argument that scum!Elements didn't think to PR hunt until Cook said something

I kinda just think Elements is the best fade here.

You're admitting that you have a gut read against Elements, which is fine. But you're really reaching to justify it with logic and evidence, and that's not working.

[Doc and Drew]

I might be late to the party, but Clap is really screaming town to me now.

-Doc(clearly)

[Black]

Why is not voting scummy

Because there's two days left. Claiming to have scum reads, but not voting, looks like scum not wanting to commit to a wagon that may not succeed.

Idk to me it looks like a townie that is not very conscious of their vote. Scum typically aren't worried about voting for their fake scumreads

[Black]

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

What kind of people are likely to be a PR?

What kind of question is this

[Cook]

thinking about how i'd approach this situation as scum and i dunno if it lines up

[Claptastik]

South side of null

In curious what town pings you have gotten from her

249 - starts activity on Doc
304 & 306 - defends you against cook's charge of naked vote changes
338 - gives me a town read when I have 3 votes on me IIRC. Also town reads you and gob. Limiting mislim options = town pings.
358 - puts out a theory which you then say you've considered yourself. That should be a town ping to you.
366, 463 - trying to get a kyouko wagon going when there are other, easier mislim opportunities. Or are you going to say that she must think kyouko is a PR?
471 - points out a possible town slip by shaddowez
511 - still trying to get votes on kyouko

There's more, but that should be enough to at least get you thinking.

[Claptastik]

Idk to me it looks like a townie that is not very conscious of their vote.

At 2 days left they damn well should be conscious of their vote.

Scum typically aren't worried about voting for their fake scumreads

Scum want to be able to get on a wagon reasonably in order to secure a mislim.

[Claptastik]

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

What kind of people are likely to be a PR?

What kind of question is this

You say that scum want to run someone up who's more likely to be a PR. That means you have criteria in your mind for how PRs are likely to play. So, how well does shaddowez fit those criteria?

[Claptastik]

Why is Cook no voting anyone is a better question

Exactly what I was thinking. The speculation that shaddow flips VT, along with no vote out, is scummy af.

Why is not voting scummy

Why is giving intent to hammer then changing your mind scummy?

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

Yeah perhaps.

Then there's the argument that scum!Elements didn't think to PR hunt until Cook said something

I kinda just think Elements is the best fade here. I'm starting to feel like I can trust my ability to eventually read Gamma/Drew the more they talk

I'll consolidate if I don't get much support but I think people should join me here

@Clap do you townread Elements?

So getting a PR to claim is really important to scum. But scum didn't think about it until town mentioned it?

Again, just trying to get you to consider the possibility that you may have a gut scum read on elements, and you're trying to force the evidence to fit that. And again, nothing wrong with a gut read, but be honest to yourself about it, and try to build a better case.

[Black]

Meh

VOTE: shaddow

Back to e-1

[Cook]

i'd like to look at elements tomorrow at least

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kinda just want to fade shaddow after this little stunt by Elements?

Why shaddowes rather than Elements if it's Elements' behavior?

Skimming, I dont have much time on the weekends, and my wife is staying home from work tomorrow so I won't have much then either

[Black]

Kinda just want to fade shaddow after this little stunt by Elements?

Why shaddowes rather than Elements if it's Elements' behavior?

Skimming, I dont have much time on the weekends, and my wife is staying home from work tomorrow so I won't have much then either

I thought there was partner equity there and the shaddow wagon had way more support

[Alianna]

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