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@Dann - I can’t see that you answered this.In post 863, ProjEctRy wrote:Dann, whilst we’re on the topic of Titus. In your post above, what did you find genuine about Titus’s gut reactions / takes?In post 304, Dannflor wrote: I don't think Titus is super town but I don't really think she's scummy either. Her tone/demeanor feels pretty relaxed in a good way imo. Her gut reactions/takes have seems pretty genuine and it seems like her posting hasn't really been geared towards trying to get town read, so I guess I slightly lean town on her?
I'm not saying don't vote her Jupiter but of your two scum reads I view shaddowez less favorably personally
To me those gut reactions / takes were incredibly hollow. They have no real justification, so I struggle to find them genuine. They feel forced to me.
I noticed that you hyperfocused on Kurtapika earlier and rarely, if ever provided much commentary or reads on other players. Another thing I noticed was that you aren't doing VCA and that your reads are 'muted,' in a sense. You have your theory about me/Kurta/Black but you're only really going out and pushing Kurta. It seems very different to MBOS 13 when you were absolutely convinced that Norwee/Dwlee/me were scum - you really pushed us hard and you had more substantial reasoning than you do for me/Kurta/Black:In post 976, Titus wrote: T3, why are you scumreading me?
Your play here also differs from what I most recently saw of you in Secrets of the Anukat Topaz, in that game you, again, had very strong scumreads and awkwardly pushed those scumreads in a scummy way such that you eventually got voted out. As Dannflor remarked on earlier, your tone definitely feels slightly more relaxed here compared to your tone in Secrets of the Anukat Topaz, which came across to me as extremely wooden. This is a pretty weak point because when I spectated Datisi's University I found your tone as scum to transcend into an entirely different dimension of wooden.In post 1222, Titus wrote:For example,In post 1218, Green Cap Boys wrote:[citation needed]In post 1201, Titus wrote:The three of them are locktowning each other based on spacious reasoning. They don't interact organically.
-Retti
NorwegianboyEE: The three of us aren't locktowning each other.
Also NorwegianboyEE: My PoE includes none of them. Titus is there though.
T3: We aren't hard defending each other.
Also T3: Puts me as lock scum for my reads.
Previously,
NorwegianboyEE: Dwlee, your read on Titus has no reason just tunneling.
Dwlee: So what?
NorwegianboyEE: That's ok you'll see Titus as town.
Later:
NoweiganboyEE: It's Titus and Fairy Circle.
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This is scum trying to chain us and/or vig me.
In post 898, Titus wrote:T3 has been vla and the third won't use their limited cache to create a counter. They've played passively with their vote to try and get a counter going to no avail.In post 892, Dannflor wrote: I also believe kurtapika is largely a town driven wagon
Which makes the non existence of a counter wagon pretty weird
The nearest we’ve come is skygazer
Between these two posts, the only thing that changed was Aisa saying that Kurta is town and OWER voting me. While you did say that Kurta not having English as a first language makes you think that he is townier, that doesn't address the bulk of your argument against Kurta so I don't buy that you unvoted because of a changed read. I also don't buy that you could have unvoted because the day was ending and the consensus was on me. At that point, there were still 48 hours left in the day, and while the momentum was on me, Kurta was the bigger wagon.
I defend players I think are town. I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about Kurta but I don't understand how townreading him makes us guaranteed partners? Do you not think townies can be wrong about people?In post 966, JupiterXV wrote:I did townread you before, but as shadow shifted up I felt I wasn't getting those distinct town vibes from you anymore so I found I was more unsure about you.In post 934, Black wrote:I don't understand this...didn't you have me as a townread? Why am I linked to Kurta fypov?In post 924, JupiterXV wrote: also i figured i shoudl elaborate on my hot take: kurta seems scummy to me, t3 and kurta seem partnered (titus talked about this), kurta and black are VERY clearly partnered
I don't think you're neccesarily scum, but I think that if Kurta flips scum, you will almost certainly also flip scum. You've basiclaly been townreading and defending Kurta the entire game, and since I've never seen Kurta in such a towny light I just don't buy what you say.
Why?
Why is Titus town?In post 984, OutWorldER wrote: That case is extremely weak-sauce and I think the T3/Black partner theory gains more merit by the post.
Because you and T3 are scum.In post 985, Black wrote:Why is Titus town?In post 984, OutWorldER wrote: That case is extremely weak-sauce and I think the T3/Black partner theory gains more merit by the post.
This makes no sense. If Black and I were partners we both could have gotten away with voting Skygazer and no one would have batted an eye. If I'm scum, why do I push Titus? And why does my partner, Black, feel the need to sheep my case on Titus when again, she could have just voted Skygazer and been done with it?In post 984, OutWorldER wrote: That case is extremely weak-sauce and I think the T3/Black partner theory gains more merit by the post.
I don't know why, because I can't see inside your heads. All I know is that the way your case on Titus is extremely weak, and feels disingenuous, like you're making up reasons to scumread a player that is popularly TR'd (or at least not considered suspicious by the majority), and that Black's sudden sheeping of you after expressing that "T3 makes the most sense here" on the literal page before this one is incredibly suspicious.In post 989, T3 wrote:This makes no sense. If Black and I were partners we both could have gotten away with voting Skygazer and no one would have batted an eye. If I'm scum, why do I push Titus? And why does my partner, Black, feel the need to sheep my case on Titus when again, she could have just voted Skygazer and been done with it?In post 984, OutWorldER wrote: That case is extremely weak-sauce and I think the T3/Black partner theory gains more merit by the post.
I've already explained why Titus could be scum. And it wasn't a loaded question...you made it pretty clear you townread Titus by agreeing to sheep her theoryIn post 992, OutWorldER wrote: Most of all, I think if either you or Black were town here you'd simply ask me what I disagreed with in the case, and try to sell me on a Titus wagon further. Instead, Black asks a loaded question and you dance around with WIFOM-y "Why would I do this" questions. It doesn't feel like either of you are actually trying to engage me genuinely and you're instead simply trying to divert pressure.
Agreeing to a theory =/= townreading. This is the loaded part of the question. You presumed that I townread Titus because I agreed with her theory, but my agreement to it was completely divorced from Titus's alignment. I agreed to it because the evidence in front of me looked to support it, and in that context, my read on Titus is completely irrelevant. Divorced from the theory, I could simply read her as null, or even scumread her, and think that you two are scummier here.In post 993, Black wrote:I've already explained why Titus could be scum. And it wasn't a loaded question...you made it pretty clear you townread Titus by agreeing to sheep her theoryIn post 992, OutWorldER wrote: Most of all, I think if either you or Black were town here you'd simply ask me what I disagreed with in the case, and try to sell me on a Titus wagon further. Instead, Black asks a loaded question and you dance around with WIFOM-y "Why would I do this" questions. It doesn't feel like either of you are actually trying to engage me genuinely and you're instead simply trying to divert pressure.
So assume for a few seconds that me and T3 aren't partnered. Why is Titus town?
I specifically said I was sheeping TitusIn post 994, Black wrote: Speaking of 915, the logic here doesn't really track. You're willing to sheep Titus on T3 but she's pushing him based mainly on associations with Kurta, but in this post you say Kurta is probably a mislim?
I disagree. She's purposely avoiding answering his questions and I have a feeling it's because she's afraid it might make him look townier. She's not willing to reconsider her read at all or even solve outside of the read. It doesn't feel genuine or in good faithIn post 995, OutWorldER wrote: Because I think her Kurta push has been genuine, and the solve that she's presented feels genuine and has some sound logic behind it.
I'm not blatantly misrepping you but I did overlook thatIn post 995, OutWorldER wrote: I specifically said I was sheeping Titus AND Dannflor in that post. You're blatantly misrepping me now.
I'm not convinced he is. I do think his post on Titus resonated with me because I've been low-key suspicious of her for a little while now and it's a wagon I'm willing to exploreIn post 996, OutWorldER wrote: Why is T3 town, Black?
