In post 871, Aisa wrote:
In post 868, Titus wrote:
Can you rephrase everything from Mainly onward? I read that 3 times and was huh?
Seconding Titus. It sounds like you think some people would be more / less suspicious after you flip town. Can you be more explicit about what the implications of your elimination would be?
IE "if I get eliminated and assuming Titus is town, meaning whoever she is reading as scum currently on a team with me likely is as well, there's a possibility that scum is outside it and will use her theory as a tunnel to extrapolate a miselim via pushing an 'individually scummy' interpretation on the remaining". So, I would've suggested to be on the lookout for anyone who shows signs of doing so after I flip.
In regards to the latter @ Aisa, I see it as because we've had the wagon on me for some time now mostly everyone here has had the chance to put forth their two cents on the matter. Therefore like Black argues against the low poster lim in
350, there would be a bigger volume of reactions to analyse than a potential alternative route of elimination, so it's my concession that it might not be as much of a loss, at least for D1. We're seeing some of this now, Dannflor is my strongest tr at the moment from his sudden backing off under the logic of Dannflor
887 when scum wouldn't seem to care about this to notice outside of a frankly insane enough to be unlikely LAMIST gambit. But with the situation we're in Dannflor is suggested as my potential partner under this exact assumption in
838. So eliminating me would have a chance to clear up the likelihood of those suspicions.
In post 872, Aisa wrote:
Can you also clarify the bolded? What is the "same line of reasoning" project is jumping onto in 622?
You seem to think Project could be the third person on a scumteam with Afrayed Knott, but who is the second?
I'm referring to Project taking Afrayed Knott's prods against Skygazer in the quote and seeming to run with them into a full on push, resulting in the argument that happened between them earlier in the discussion. In tandem with their other interactions that I mention it seems like something that could be indicative of a feeling like a teammate between them.
I talk about the possibilities for the Afrayed Knott team in that same post, T3, Aisa, or Nono being what I could view as likely to slot in with them.
In post 873, Aisa wrote:
For example, they've said they are not used to not having a night 0, and this partially explains the general aimlessless, the fact they're giving more associative reads than reads in isolation, etc. Even if Kurtapika is scum this game, in an alternate universe we'd be dealing with the town manifestation of these problems. I'm just not sure what the town and scum manifestations looks like at the moment.
You're welcome to comment on any of this btw Kurta
The associative over individual reads is something I talk about in
162, yes. Individual seems flimsy no matter how I try to configure it in my mind so making guesswork based off interconnected reactions is feeling like the best I can access.
In post 896, Titus wrote:
Things on K.
60 "My feeling is that Bella's lack of disclosure on the tr itself after being challenged reads as scum." This is overly formal and reads like a lawyer writing it. If it read naturally, then it would say something like "Bella not disclosing the TR is scummy.". The rest of the post is particularly hard to understand but largely states that Bella's postings are ambiguous which is not the gist I see at all.
162 Copies defense from Black.
335 Lim the no posters = avoid conflict
339 All votes are random. Town should post content. Many words. Pointless message.
566 "Curious if you'd be able to walk me through the thought process in scum chat that you would guess as theoretically having happened for me to suggest this move." - Guessing the thought process is something easily handwaved. IT's what could happen and it's why proof beyond a reasonable doubt isn't really a thing in mafia.
Also the feeling of being
forced
to find a read outside of current TRs is bad. If his scumreads were genuinely townread, he should say so. However his goal is to survive, so he can't go there.
My largest reservation is that perhaps English isn't K's first language.
Why is
162 suspect when I specifically point to her as having said all there was to say on the topic? You sr me but make the opposite argument to this when you accuse me of having recycled
568? This feels like a fallacy at best and bad faith at worst.
My response on
335 remains with
566, the low posters route was the least suggested and most contested so it would seem illogical in this situation to call this the easiest path, if anything, and I'm not sure how it'd even follow for scum to try and do so in the context of the gamestate, which is why I ask you about your reasoning. But, you decline to reply.
339 is explicitly reiterative of my points I made in the post about eliminating low posters, it looks like it's making an obvious explanation because it is one, in response to Project.
I'm unsure what the point about
566 means, the phrasing is unclear. Are you saying you're disregarding disclosing your thought process on the srs because it's irrelevant?
On
60 and re: English, I mean, it isn't but I don't see how this is so relevant here as to hinge on my elimination. I'll concede I do the lawyering thing a lot, but it's mostly just how I talk because I prefer specificity over anything regardless.
