Toriel's Patience (end)

[Dannflor]

which probably also means RCE is just town unless 4113 is 8th dimensional WIFOM

[Dannflor]

quote this post if anyone wants me for the rest of the game. if this is a town flip it feels won and i don’t feel a need to give my input anymore. it is a miserable experience.

thanks.

ydrasse if you're town here we actually do need you to play because if all the town can't decide on one of us to spare today then we're not sparing town

this day is actually a lot harder than yesterday

[Dannflor]

i don't know there's a world where maybe im tunneled on sakura and the alisae wagon was just all town

but I feel like sakura's vote was the safest "i'll go against consensus vote without actually risking anything" and then bingle kinda surprised her

[Dannflor]

You literally come here, naked voting me, then saying i'm in "that spot where people are just there", and then parroting Meuh's reasons for scumreading me and expect me to believe you're not scum trying to take down strong townread people?

meh

this post almost makes me want to reverse everything and spare sakura

[Dannflor]

i forgot brown eyes pushed aristeia like pretty hard D1


424 and 428 seem pretty uncharitable and there was never really any follow up from aristeia

so probably rce is not bingle's scum buddy trying to fake me out

[Dannflor]

another thing I didn't mention yesterday is that I'm struggling to find who would be Bingle's partners if he has them


like it felt as though almost everyone in the game suddenly either started pushing Bingle or dropped him significantly in their reads as soon as Brown Eyes replaced out. Shirou was pushing Bingle for a long time. implosion was hard town reading brown eyes but then that pretty much disappears once bingle replaces in and the brown eyes town read became "not up to the standard of the game" in 2195

neither of which I'd really expect from a partner

I guess mandate / brown eyes makes some sense but I wouldn't really expect ydrasse to be so demotivated here if that was the case

[Dannflor]

sakura what is your individual read on bingle

[Isis]

Votecount 6.0

Dannflor

(0) -

he/him

RCEnigma

(0) -

Lazy Shirou

(0) -

He/him

Bingle

(0) -

Sakura Hana

(0) -

She/her

Ydrasse

(0) -
She

implosion

(0) -

he/him

Not Voting

- (7) Ydrasse, implosion, Lazy Shirou, Sakura Hana, Bingle, RCEnigma, Dannflor,

[Isis]

(expired on 2023-12-10 01:30:00)

[Bingle]

I feel like this game has been entirely undeserved success on my part, and we should keep that train going. I also feel like there are a bunch of people who would be scumclaiming by not being willing to vote me after their narratives the last few days, so this might out scum if it doesn't go through.

VOTE: Bingle

[implosion]

implosion, what is your read on sakura

specifically like compared to me

I feel like you’ve town read us both pretty consistently but always slightly favored sakura and I’m not sure why that is

At a glance I'm more comfortable with Sakura right now. My main issue with you is this:

Anyway Dann regardless always makes +winrate moves for his alignment I trust him enough to do that

Basically that it's always possible that I'm mistaking you playing well for you being town.

I'll need to think a lot though. I have no intention of playing this day quickly at least personally. I also do personally think I ought to be on the table to spare, though obviously I'm biased. In particular one thing I realized is that it's entirely possible I just would never have made the EV post if I were scum with Dunn as town because as much as it is something that I would do as town and my scum game is largely based on trying to imitate my towngame, It did in one sense singlehandedly guarantee that Dunn would be spared by making that post. Of course someone else might have made the analysis eventually and I could be doing it for towncred, etc, yada yada.

[implosion]

I need to meditate on brown eyes, to some degree. I honestly haven't felt much of anything about any of Bingle's posting, it's kind of the problem I've had with replacements at large this game. So for people who feel strongly that Bingle is town I'd be curious to hear your best reasons. In principle, today is the single most important day of the game - if we do mess up today, which I believe we are in some sense supposed to, we need to get a lot of info out of it.

[implosion]

and I pretty much agree with alisae that I feel like it was probably not The Plan for e to get spared there

I am inclined to disagree. There's plenty of worlds here where scum are roughly out of plans. They

need

towncred from somewhere, and the chief targets for sparing yesterday were Alisae and ssbm_kyouko. Actually, fmpov it explicitly *was* the plan, at least myself and ssbm_kyouko were off the wagon meaning there was at least one scum sparing Alisae.

Like, scum had to shoot kyouko here to stop us from sparing her. But that flip gives us a lot of info about yesterday, namely that scum were simply not going to win yesterday. Especially if Sakura (the other person who had at least some consideration as a spare target) is also town. Scum may have simply been obligated yesterday to vote for town.

[implosion]

I think if anyone

does

get towncred on the Alisae wagon it should be Sakura, who voted alisae page one immediately after alisae voted kyouko

[implosion]

like i think this vote commits a lot more than sakura's and i like that it's a tonal read not related to the townslip at all

This I like, disagree with for several reasons.

One, sure it's committal. What else is Bingle supposed to do yesterday if Bingle is scum? Try to start a different wagon?

Two, I think it's way townier to be giving Alisae credit for the townslip at the point of the game that Sakura was. I feel like scum hate being forced to do that kind of thing and would rather feel like they're coming up with """""actual reasons""""" to scumread someone, like a tonal read. Sentiment about the townslip was a wave that crested, and then came to a trough with people being like "eh idk" or "Alisae could fake that" - and then Sakura came in and used it as a reason anyway. I feel like that's super not a scum mindset.

[implosion]

I also struggle to find Sakura partners if she's scum, probably (though tbh i haven't tried very hard yet). I mean sure you could argue I am scum advocating for a partner if you wanna be wrong but I'm not. I think this is also good because if I'm right on Sakura then hopefully she can solidify me as town based on this as well.

I think Sakura is like, sort of hard spewed town by Mandate-scum. I find it pretty hard to imagine Mandate on d1 as scum successfully convincing everyone that their partner is super duper obvtown. I think Dann+Sakura is unlikely to play out this way unless third scum is Bingle.

[RCEnigma]

I feel like this game has been entirely undeserved success on my part, and we should keep that train going. I also feel like there are a bunch of people who would be scumclaiming by not being willing to vote me after their narratives the last few days, so this might out scum if it doesn't go through.

VOTE: Bingle

Well you in some part got town to swing on the Alisae vote so I say good job. VOTE: Bingle

[RCEnigma]

I remember saying this game that I would probably pass Ydrasse and shirou through after alisae. I’m all egg.

[RCEnigma]

Oh that reminds me I’m not really interested in arguing among each other who the towniest is out of who’s left. We sheep spared town and end. So if someone wants to just quote wall Dunn/Taly/alisaes dying reads we can go off that.

[RCEnigma]

Nvm I did it
the pool is just bingle/dann/Sakura/myself and town wins in whatever combination

Can’t kill us all.

[Bingle]

Can’t kill us all.

Can't kill anyone, I'm the game winning spare.

[Bingle]

quote this post if anyone wants me for the rest of the game. if this is a town flip it feels won and i don’t feel a need to give my input anymore. it is a miserable experience.

thanks.

Hey, Ydrasse. Game is won, any chance you can come put your vote on me to end it? I'll apologize for having paranoia about you in general if you do.

[Bingle]

quote this post if anyone wants me for the rest of the game. if this is a town flip it feels won and i don’t feel a need to give my input anymore. it is a miserable experience.

thanks.

ydrasse if you're town here we actually do need you to play because if all the town can't decide on one of us to spare today then we're not sparing town

this day is actually a lot harder than yesterday

Or... This game is easy because I'm obviously a good spare here and all the townies will eventually gravitate to me. The only way I see this being a loss is if like RCE/Shirou are T/T and get super reluctant to trust that I don't put us on the precipice the way I did as scum and end up throwing the game by fighting each other.

[Bingle]

One, sure it's committal. What else is Bingle supposed to do yesterday if Bingle is scum? Try to start a different wagon?

Try to start a wagon on someone other than the person who flipped town and wasn't actually that tr-d ITT? I mean... yeah, probably. I think outside of RCE/Sakura everyone had Ali as a never spare before yesterday happened, and I certainly could have chosen literally anyone to push as a spare instead.

[Bingle]

(I've started to think that Ali is indeed scum though, to be clear)

I think Ali/RCE would be too obvious though, one may be pocketed by the other

Quoting for notifications, not content.

Would you vote me for a Shirou Snack?