In post 491, Black wrote:
I don't think this makes you scum but I want to hear Dann's opinion on it
I have a lot of complicated thoughts about Jupiter and I need to reread before I really speak on any of it or decide where I'm at
I guess part of why I am pushing jupiter super hard for their scum reads is I think the Titus > Skygazer trajectory is both super safe and they didn't actually seem to get anything out of the titus push? like yeah sure titus posted but titus was already posting i would think town would place more emphasis on the actual content and im not sure why that was almost an afterthought for jupiter
In post 490, Black wrote:
He is verbose in a lot of what he's saying so it seems consistent at least, still no way to tell if it's personality or not. I don't understand why you don't think townies can be worried about their optics? If he's town and he notices a wagon forming on him I think it's normal to want to seem townie in his responses
so, a lot of mafia (read: scum) player's first priority is to look town. This makes sense since their win condition depends on surviving until the end of the game and looking more town (or less scummy) than enough other people is the most straightforward way to do this.
town's first priority is to find and kill scum. town are not necessarily as prone to worry about surviving because they can win posthumously as long as the scum are found and deaded.
obviously this is a massive oversimplification and townies do obviously want to look town as well (and there are other complications as well)
BUT town's first priority is generally not to look town, it's to find scum. my general feeling is that kurta's posts were more designed to prioritize the former which i view as more likely to come from scum.
I generally agree with this but in a game where it's hard to find scum then wouldn't it make sense to fall back on a lesser priority like trying to show everyone you're town?
In post 402, Bellaphant wrote:
They give me super mixed vibes? Their beginning posts were quite bad, I agreed with some of the middle, specifically about aisa, and then the lurker vote was horrible.
Also, I was going to make a joke about our lovely cohesive VC but dann beat me
I don't like this. Why not vote for me here over someone you have mixed feelings over?
The answer is literally in what you quoted? Y
Sorry if I'm missing it but I'm not seeing where you explained why you would want to vote Kurtpika over me. You said you don't townread me and you think I'm sus. It feels unnatural of you to not put pressure on me here and instead join the bigger wagon
i am personally not finding it hard to get scum reads this game
but I think people are struggling because they are almost exclusively pushing vanity wagons or lurkers for the sake of "pressure votes" instead of just compromising on wagon other people in order to get some ACTUAL pressure going
i think if people are having trouble finding scum reads it's kind of their own fault for not trying to pursue this more
like i want skygazer to play the game as much as the next person but jupiter voting skygazer when jupiter has made it clear the bar for unvoting is simple *posting* means that their vote is as good as useless
I'd much rather jupiter pursued a wagon on aisa or shaddowez who are already active and jupiter has expressed actual suspicions of
and I'm frustrated I can't figure out whether jupiter doing that is an intentional move to not make waves or if they actually think they are being pro town
In post 500, Dannflor wrote:
titus was already posting i would think town would place more emphasis on the actual content
i didnt remember any content from titus though lol
that was kind of the point of my push: i remembered they existed and that they were posting but i could not remember anything they had done at all. when i looked through their posts a lot of it was fluff about scumplay and everything else didn't do much, at least fmpov. thus i voted titus and posted that scumread to see how they woudl react? did i not literally say it was a pressure vote?
In post 507, Dannflor wrote:
like i want skygazer to play the game as much as the next person but jupiter voting skygazer when jupiter has made it clear the bar for unvoting is simple *posting* means that their vote is as good as useless
I'd much rather jupiter pursued a wagon on aisa or shaddowez who are already active and jupiter has expressed actual suspicions of
and I'm frustrated I can't figure out whether jupiter doing that is an intentional move to not make waves or if they actually think they are being pro town
i'm literally voting shadow right now
i wanted to see his response before i officially voted him and it wasnt a response i liked so i voted him???
In post 500, Dannflor wrote:
titus was already posting i would think town would place more emphasis on the actual content
i didnt remember any content from titus though lol
that was kind of the point of my push: i remembered they existed and that they were posting but i could not remember anything they had done at all. when i looked through their posts a lot of it was fluff about scumplay and everything else didn't do much, at least fmpov. thus i voted titus and posted that scumread to see how they woudl react? did i not literally say it was a pressure vote?
that's not what I'm saying.
You unvoted her simply because she had posted more, not because she posted better content.
In post 460, JupiterXV wrote:
i didn't actually see the content of titus' post, i just decided to unvote since the goal of getting her to post was achieved.
like
your goal was getting her to post
which i don't really get because she was already posting if that is all you wanted from her
The whole point is that our wagons are ridic right now: danns saying exactly the same thing. I am voting where I think we can have an actual wagon on a slot I don't tr, so we can get some progress and that's...an issue?
You unvoted her simply because she had posted more, not because she posted better content.
no...? i unvoted her because i saw her post meaning that there was something to respond to, and i ended up buying her response because so there was no reason to revote her???
In post 513, Bellaphant wrote:
The whole point is that our wagons are ridic right now: danns saying exactly the same thing. I am voting where I think we can have an actual wagon on a slot I don't tr, so we can get some progress and that's...an issue?
I clearly didn't gather this from your posts but ok. Sorry I guess?
In post 460, JupiterXV wrote:
i didn't actually see the content of titus' post, i just decided to unvote since the goal of getting her to post was achieved.
like
your goal was getting her to post
which i don't really get because she was already posting if that is all you wanted from her
my vote on her wasn't achieving anything so it was better to unvote anyways and get rid of it. idk if expressing that sentiment is scummy or not especially since i didn't want to say it before, or whether it'll get me flashwagoned but tbh i don't care anymore. titus's tone came off as tired and a bit frustrated so i decided to jsut let her have some room, and i had better things to do so i didn't vote her again. i wasn't doing anything with it anyways so it really just doesn't matter to me in the slightest
Ok I have finally read or skimmed all the posts in the game
I've acquired tentative townreads on both Dann and Black. I know they are considered capable scum players and maybe I am playing with fire but still
In post 520, Bellaphant wrote:
I can't work out if Jupiter admitting to lying twice in like five pages is as scummy as it seems....
FWIW I have been in situations where I skim a long wall and think "this seems towny", then three days later I reread it more carefully and have to grovel and apologise and explain why I am changing my mind
In post 506, Dannflor wrote:
i am personally not finding it hard to get scum reads this game
but I think people are struggling because they are almost exclusively pushing vanity wagons or lurkers for the sake of "pressure votes" instead of just compromising on wagon other people in order to get some ACTUAL pressure going
i think if people are having trouble finding scum reads it's kind of their own fault for not trying to pursue this more
